yave1964 Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 I have a list of the top 40 goalies, ranked 40-1 absolutely open for debate, it is my own list scientifically put together within about five minutes. So feel free to jump in with any changes in order that you would make. I left youngsters off the list, Vasilevskiy, Mrazek, Gibson,Jake Allen, Ortio and Markstrom, I did put a few players such as Hammond on the list however. Anyway, her they are, my top 40: 40) Robin Lehner Given multiple chances has yet to secure a job39) Darcy Keumper was innefective last year and lost job to Dubnyk38) Cam Ward aging badly.37) Alex Stalock took a step back last year, but still worth a look36) Ben Scrivens did a good job with a bad team35) Anton Khubodin Meh. Just a body.34) Karri Ramo Did a decent job when healthy33) Eddie Lack split time with Miller and at times outplayed him32) Scott Darling In limited duty he more than held his own.31) Ondrej Pavelec defines inconsistency 30) Antti Niemi maybe a bit underrated29) Mike Smith Fell hard. REALLY hard28) Jonas Hiller played very well with the Flames27) Michael Hutchinson showed promise last year26) Kari Lehtonen a bad year has his career on the ropes25) Andrew Hammond The hamburgler was one of the best stories in the game last year24) Martin Jones if he is available on the market, someone better snag him up23) Jonathan Bernier good one game, bad the next22) Cam Talbot one hot commodity on the market21) Brian Elliott still not sure why Hitchcock hates him so much as to not use him in the postseason 20) Jaroslav Halak One of the truly underrated in the game19)Ryan Miller One of the truly overrated18) Jimmy Howard the very definition of inconsistent17) Devon Dubnyk I cannot justify ranking him higher based off 3 months of elite play16) Roberto Luongo Still loving life in Sunrise15) Ben Bishop solid postseason on the resume including 2 game 7 shutouts14) Craig Anderson health is his only concern13. Frederik Andersen could move way up the list next year, if he holds off super prospect Gibson12) M.A. Fleury a Cup, a trip to the finals and 5 straight years of GAA of 2.30 to 2.3911. Steve Mason has found a home 10) Corey Crawford two cup wins in 3 years earns him a top ten place9) Semyon Varlamov makes some filthy saves. very underrated8) Sergei Bobrovsky when healthy he is top 57) Corey Schneider the only reason the Devils aren't getting Conner McDavid6) Jonathan Quick 2 cup wins, textbook for positioning5) Braden Holtby Anyone who thinks he is rated too high needs to watch a Capitals game. It is truly his team now4) Tuukka Rask slipped a bit last year and may be rated a bit high3) Pekka Rinne if healthy he may be rated 2 spots too low2) Henrik Lundqvist absolutely the most important player on his team. Hall of fame lock1) Carey Price The only thing missing is a Stanley Cup The kids who I left off the list, I rank in this order:6 Markstrom5 Ortio4 Allen3 Vasilevskiy2 Mrazek1 Gibson Well there ya go. Jump on in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 @yave1964pretty solid list...however I don't think I would put Niemi that far down on the list. maybe around 20 or so. He had streches of great play last year and stretches of sheer ugliness. SJ is gonna have to make a decison regarding their goaltending situation this year. I don't think splitting time between Stalock and Niemi is going to work for another season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yave1964 Posted June 23, 2015 Author Share Posted June 23, 2015 @yave1964pretty solid list...however I don't think I would put Niemi that far down on the list. maybe around 20 or so. He had streches of great play last year and stretches of sheer ugliness. SJ is gonna have to make a decison regarding their goaltending situation this year. I don't think splitting time between Stalock and Niemi is going to work for another season.Niemi is being shown the door, they are looking for a starter with Stalock being retained as the backup. They are in on Craig Anderson but everything I have read has the Sharks in a wait and see mode as the Devon dubnyk situation is becoming more and more contentious in Minnesota. If Dubnyk makes it to free agency July First the Sharks, with 15 million in cap space are going to go all out for him. Niemi is going to have a difficult time landing a full time job next year, he wore out his welcome in San Jose, he may end up with a job with Buffalo or Edmonton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blocker Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 You put a lot of effort into that list. Very interesting. My comment would be that I don't think Rask should be included in the top twenty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J0e Th0rnton Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Niemi is being shown the door, they are looking for a starter with Stalock being retained as the backup. They are in on Craig Anderson but everything I have read has the Sharks in a wait and see mode as the Devon dubnyk situation is becoming more and more contentious in Minnesota. If Dubnyk makes it to free agency July First the Sharks, with 15 million in cap space are going to go all out for him. Niemi is going to have a difficult time landing a full time job next year, he wore out his welcome in San Jose, he may end up with a job with Buffalo or Edmonton.Actually, Dubnyk just tweeted through an intermediary that the issues are not disagreement on price. it is cap space. Craig Custance @CraigCustance 4m4 minutes agoDevan Dubnyk says lack of a deal with Wild more of a cap issue than disagreement over terms.Craig Custance @CraigCustance 2m2 minutes agoDubnyk says his agent Mike Liut has meeting planned at draft with Wild GM Chuck Fletcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 21) Brian Elliott still not sure why Hitchcock hates him so much as to not use him in the postseason Because he sucks. He's a small time goaltender who comes up smaller when the defecation hits the wind gust. I'll comment on the rest later (the order overall seems good, except I seem to be the only who thinks Carey Price is vastly overrated). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 @yave1964 Overall a pretty good effort, sir. You grouped in tens. Within those groupings I think I don't have any argument (for example, I don't think I'd put anyone from your 11-19 list in the top 10, etc.). But for my money, there is no way I rate Craig Anderson ahead of Ben Bishop. I'm actually wondering to myself if I wouldn't put Bishop all the way up ahead of Mason. I already commented on Price. I think I'd do my top 10 like this, but I'm okay with yours: 1) Henrik Lundqvist2) Pekka Rinne (health is definitely a problem)3) Jonathan Quick4) Tukka Rask5) Braden Holtby6) Corey Crawford7) Carey Price8) Corey Schneider9) Sergei Bobrovsky10) Semyon Varlamov I guess I'm thinking in terms of "money" goalies. YMMV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yave1964 Posted June 23, 2015 Author Share Posted June 23, 2015 @ruxpin Elliott always puts up good numbers and gets replaced. Three years ago Halak, two years ago Miller, last year Allen. It ended badly every time.Is he a regular season goalie and a postseason flameout? Hard to say, he has went 44-20-5 in the past two regular seasons and benched in the playoffs. He deserves a chance to see if he can win in the postseason or if not, move on to greener pastures. I love Price as a goalie (hate him personally, every interview I have ever seen he comes across cocky and like a jerk) but his lack of postseason success is a hige black mark. As far as Craig Anderson, i may have had him a bit too high. Swap Bishop and him, I am fine with that.@blockerRask not in the top 20? Wow, that is harsh, pretty tough comment. I know he slipped last year, I have been on record as feeling he is a bit overrated but not in the top 20, ooof. @J0e Th0rntonLiut is meeting with Fletcher at the draft? So 3 or 4 days that they can try to get something done are going to pass before then. I wonder who the Wild have to move out to make room to resign Dubnyk. If he doesn't get it done, would you want the Sharks to sign him? for what kind of term/price? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Is he a regular season goalie and a postseason flameout? Hard to say, he has went 44-20-5 in the past two regular seasons and benched in the playoffs. He deserves a chance to see if he can win in the postseason or if not, move on to greener pasture Not that this means everything, but I had four goalies down the stretch. Elliott was firmly planted on my bench and when I absolutely had to start him, for whatever reason, I horribly regretted it. He was flat out terrible the last month or so. The closer they got to the playoffs the worse he got. I think Hitch should have been fired instantly if he started him. The problem is that I don't think Allen is any good, either. But seriously, he seems to flame out at the end of the season whether in Ottawa or St. Louis. I can only figure they see something (I don't watch enough to claim to see it--just results/stats) they don't trust in him. B the way, completely aside, I've said this before but if I'm St. Louis I'm trading Allen, getting a starter, and Elliot is my backup for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J0e Th0rnton Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 @ruxpin Elliott always puts up good numbers and gets replaced. Three years ago Halak, two years ago Miller, last year Allen. It ended badly every time.Is he a regular season goalie and a postseason flameout? Hard to say, he has went 44-20-5 in the past two regular seasons and benched in the playoffs. He deserves a chance to see if he can win in the postseason or if not, move on to greener pastures. I love Price as a goalie (hate him personally, every interview I have ever seen he comes across cocky and like a jerk) but his lack of postseason success is a hige black mark. As far as Craig Anderson, i may have had him a bit too high. Swap Bishop and him, I am fine with that.@blockerRask not in the top 20? Wow, that is harsh, pretty tough comment. I know he slipped last year, I have been on record as feeling he is a bit overrated but not in the top 20, ooof. @J0e Th0rntonLiut is meeting with Fletcher at the draft? So 3 or 4 days that they can try to get something done are going to pass before then. I wonder who the Wild have to move out to make room to resign Dubnyk. If he doesn't get it done, would you want the Sharks to sign him? for what kind of term/price?I'd rather help them get cap space by offering Goldobin and our 2016 2nd for Spurgeon. But if he were available? 3 years, 4.5 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBLightning1993 Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 @blocker I couldn't agree more. Rask is good but compared to Lundqvist, Quick and Price he quickly falls off the pedestal. After the postseason Crawford had for the Hawks (as much as I don't favor them) he deserves a much better spot than 10. Move Rask to 10 to be generous and give that spot to the man that shut down the regular season powerhouse of the NHL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samifan Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 I think Bishop should be listed ahead of Varlamov. I also think Quick is a Top 5 guy, possibly ahead of Rask. Still waiting for a certain someone to protest Miller's ranking.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92WickedHockey Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 I agree with most of the list. I'd put Crawford a little higher though, sure he plays behind a dynasty but the same argument can be said for Quick. Price is definitely #1 without him Habs are a bubble playoff team fighting tooth and nail for the wildcard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 I agree with most of the list. I'd put Crawford a little higher though, sure he plays behind a dynasty but the same argument can be said for Quick. Price is definitely #1 without him Habs are a bubble playoff team fighting tooth and nail for the wildcard. See, I completely agree with this. In fact, I think that's inarguable. But he comes up so pedestrian in the playoffs that I can't put him ahead of some other goalies. To be fair, the playoffs aren't exactly entirely his fault, but he always seems to ultimately get outplayed. Overall, really a fairly good list though, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92WickedHockey Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 he comes up so pedestrian in the playoffs Well he did have a great playoffs in 2014, he was perhaps the biggest reason Montreal got past the Presidents Trophy Bruins that year, he was incredible in that series. Overall a pretty accurate list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teenagemutantninjahertl Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 I think it impossible to rank them effectively 1-30, so I am going to rank them in groups of 5. (only doing starters) Goalies trending downward are in red. 1-5: Lundqvist, Price, Rinne, Rask, SchneiderThe first two are on great teams. Pekka is on a team that has been bad, but he has been outstanding. Rask and Schneider are on bad teams, but they are still great goalies.6-10: Crawford, Bobrovsky, Luongo, Miller, HoltbyThey all seem to get less credit than they deserve lately, but they put up spectacular numbers and can steal games. There is a lot to love in this category.11-15: Elliot, Mrazek (Sorry Jimmy Howard), Bishop, Quick, FleurySomewhat over analyzed and scrutinized, but still above average in the NHL. Quick is only here due to two poor regular seasons. In the playoffs, who else would you want besides Quick?16-20: Andersen, Varlamov, Dubnyk, Mason, HalakAverage goalies, but still better than several options out there. Varlamov, Dubnyk, and Mason have limited playoff experience, and that really boosts your credibility in this league. Not bad choices, but there is room for improvement. These guys could jump up a group or two.21-25 M.Jones, Talbot, Lack, Hiller, BernierMostly prospects here. Look for these guys to jump up the list. They have great potential, but lack experience, and that keeps them down here. Hiller probably should be higher on the list, but he seems to fade with the increased pressure, and sometimes looks shaky.26-30: Hutchinson, Ottawa, Dallas, Smith, LehnerQuestions all across the board. There is tons of room for movement here. Lehner is here because he was bad last (when healthy). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teenagemutantninjahertl Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 I think Bishop should be listed ahead of Varlamov. I also think Quick is a Top 5 guy, possibly ahead of Rask. Still waiting for a certain someone to protest Miller's ranking.... I don't know that I would put Quick in the top 5. He is fantastic in the playoffs, but looking at some of his games in the regular season, he is far from elite. Definitely top 10. Rask goes unnoticed because he plays on a bad team or a team that can't score. He is rock solid back there. He has more elite performances (in the regular season) than Quick. Cups do speak, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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