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  2. I'm really not sure what the thinking is. Kassian DOES have some use: he can skate, he has some defensive awareness, and he has worked well with McDavid (not EVERYbody they put there clicks). But really, that's where they need to put a much more talented player, and Kassian is only playing on the 1st line because Peter Chiarelli cultivated all the crops and then salted the field when he was done. The team was stripped of pretty much any winger with talent. If Kassian is still on the 1st line for another season, then the Oilers haven't done nearly enough to give McDavid some help, and if Kassian's playing down the lineup, then $3.5M is FAR too much for a depth player. It's really tough to see this working out well at all. Kailer Yamamoto has been a difference maker since joining the Oilers, but he, Draisaitl and RNH should not be broken up. In other words, at least one of Tyler Benson and/or Raphael Lavoie needs to work out.
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  4. @JR Ewing What's the reasoning here? That seems like a lot for cement head. But is there some feeling that they could keep him next to McJesus and he'll become like a John LeClair alongside Lindros?
  5. And he's Frrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrenchaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Uhhhhaahhhhhahhaa! I keep thinking of Howe as a center for some reason. Okay, I'll retract my previous statement because Ovie has not surpassed Gordie yet. My favourite Brett Hull moment was when Canada was playing the US. The US had a power play and Canadian turncoat Brett Hull was getting feed after feed and doing one-timer shots over and over and missing the net lol. I believe that was the 2002 Olympics where Canada won gold. I think you might be in for a surprise. I'm not sure we've seen McDavid's "ceiling" yet. He may be able to score 50-60 goals and still put up the same assist figures that he's doing.
  6. Coach came out and called their "emotional win" and "tough plane ride" for the bull bleep it is. Nice to see an appropriate response.
  7. I can see them doing nothing since Stalock wasn’t injured. With that said he should miss a couple games since he is the hack he is
  8. Perry threw a pretty good elbow in the Winter Classic with about 38 seconds into the game and got ejected, and now he does this with 6 seconds left in the game...it'll be interesting to see if NHL "Player Safety" actually lands on him or if they pull their usual "The incident was addressed by the on ice officials..."
  9. Can the new top line of JVR, Giroux and TK maintain their scoring touch??? It was Claude's first multi point game in his last 8 games. Only his 2nd multi point game in his last 28 games!!! I'm down for whatever gets the Captain to be productive. And that line basically won the game that and Elliott closing the door.
  10. Just throwing it out there.... All the "all time great" goal scorers in the NHL have also played in a time when offense was at a premium, and netminders were smaller, with smaller pads....And while it does not diminish in any way when the have done, ovi is doing it in an era where it is much harder to score, netminders are bigger with my pillows for pads... Me thinks he's got at least 6-8 more years in him with 35/40 plus... He's got a better shot at passing the great one's mark than most people think.
  11. Games Played on 1/18/20 Vincent Trocheck vs Filip Hronek Winner ?
  12. Tatar scores in shootout, Canadiens beat Vegas 5-4 Game # 51 4 5 By Associated Press Updated: 15 hours ago MONTREAL -- Carey Price went from dejection to jubilation in a matter of minutes. Price and the Montreal Canadiens squandered a two-goal lead late in the third period, but Tomas Tatar scored in the fourth round of a shootout for a 5-4 victory over the Vegas Golden Knights on Saturday night. Vegas scored twice in the final two minutes to force overtime with Marc-Andre Fleury on the bench for the extra skater. When Price conceded the equalizer to Reilly Smith with 8 seconds left in regulation, he smashed his stick in anger. After an end-to-end overtime, Price stopped Smith with his pad in the fourth round of the shootout for the victory. The Canadiens goaltender jumped, raised his arms and swarmed his teammates in celebration. "It was important for (Price) to win that game," coach Claude Julien said. "That was all that mattered to him. It's frustrating that they scored twice in the final two minutes. It wasn't pretty, but it was exciting. We got two points and we'll take it." Max Pacioretty scored against his former team with a shot from the blue line through traffic with 1:57 left in regulation before Smith tipped Paul Stastny's shot past Price. "(Vegas) was carrying a lot of momentum at the end of that game," said Price, who made 31 stops for his fourth consecutive victory. "They were making a push. We pushed back well in the overtime and found a way to do it in the shootout." Nick Cousins scored twice, and Ilya Kovalchuk and Joel Armia each scored once for the Canadiens (22-21-7), who have won four of their last five games. Jonathan Marchessault, Paul Stastny, Max Pacioretty and Smith each scored for the Golden Knights (25-20-6) in their second game under new coach Peter DeBoer. Fleury stopped 28 shots. "We're getting off to slow starts and teams are capitalizing," said Smith, who has 20 goals this season. "We have to find a away to turn that around. It's too hard to come back in every game." Down 4-2, Vegas scored twice in the game's final two minutes to force overtime with Fleury on the bench for an extra skater. Fleury made highlight-reel saves on Phillip Danault and Kovalchuk on odd-man rushes in overtime to force the shootout, where Kovalchuk and Tatar scored. Montreal took a commanding 3-0 lead on nine shots after the first 20 minutes. The Canadiens went ahead at 5:51 on Cousins' sixth of the year. Weise sent a backhand pass from behind the net to Cousins, who slid the puck under Fleury's outstretched pad. Kovalchuk was coming off a two-goal performance in Montreal's 4-1 victory in Philadelphia on Thursday, and the 36-year-old scored his fourth in a Canadiens uniform at 12:33. Fleury denied Kovalchuk's initial shot in close but he couldn't stop the Russian's second effort. The goal was Kovalchuk's first at the Bell Centre since 2011. His first three goals since joining Montreal came on the road. The Canadiens went up 3-0 when Armia deflected Brett Kulak's shot and beat Fleury between the pads for his career-high 13th of the season. The Golden Knights scored twice in the second period. Unguarded, Marchessault tallied from the slot on a pass from Smith from behind the net at 9:08. Ben Chiarot and Armia were unable to clear their crease and the veteran Stastny jammed a loose puck past Price to make it 3-2 at 14:47. Cousins scored his second of the game on a 2-on-1 with Weise at 9:40 of the third to give Montreal a 4-2 advantage. Fleury overcommitted to the shot, and Weise passed to Cousins for his seventh of the season. "We've been playing some pretty good hockey," Price said. "If we can continue to do that and understand what's making us successful, we have to carry that momentum after the break."
  13. Hogberg makes 40 saves, Senators beat Flames 5-2 Game # 50 2 5 By Associated Press Updated: 19 hours ago OTTAWA -- Marcus Hogberg isn’t sure he belongs in the NHL. He might be the only one with that thought. Hogberg was at his finest Saturday, making 40 saves to lead the Ottawa Senators to a 5-2 win over the Calgary Flames. The Senators (17-23-8) were outshot 42-21 and, if not for Hogberg’s performance, the result could very well have been different for a team that was winless in nine games. It marked the 25-year-old’s second NHL win in 13 career starts. “He’s got points in four straight (games),” said Senators coach D.J. Smith. “He gave us every chance to win those other three games and he was really good again. It’s good for our team and our organization to have a young guy that’s playing at this level.” Brady Tkachuk, Chris Tierney, Connor Brown, Colin White and Vladislav Namestnikov had the Ottawa goals. Mark Jankowski snapped Hogberg’s shutout bid with just under six minutes remaining with his first of the season and Noah Hanifin scored with just over two minutes left. Hogberg has a 1-2-5 record this season, but his record is hardly indicative of his play. He has seen substantial playing time as Anders Nilsson remains sidelined with a concussion. The Senators have played the 25-year-old instead of veteran Craig Anderson, who could be moved at the trade deadline. “I just try to work hard and show my best for the guys and the coaches, and we will see what happens,” Hogberg said. The victory comes at a good time as the Senators are headed into an eight-day break. “We’ve played for stretches the way we want to play, but tonight without Hogberg we’re not winning that game, it’s that simple, he was excellent,” Dylan DeMelo said. “We got some timely goals, the power play scored, which was huge for us, and it kind of seemed like we didn’t have many shots, but when we did they went in.” Calgary (26-19-5) saw its six-game winning streak come to an end heading into a nine-day break for the All-Star Game. “If we get this one ... we go into the break feeling really good about ourselves and try to gather some momentum for the last 32 games," Matthew Tkachuk said. "But this didn’t allow us to feel that way." David Rittich turned aside 16 of 20 shots for Calgary. Despite outshooting the Senators by a wide margin, the Flames felt they made far too many mistakes that cost them in the end. “We had a few breakdowns and they took advantage of it,” said Flames coach Geoff Ward. “At the end of the day it’s not enough when you need to catch up.” White gave Ottawa a 4-0 lead, scoring on a Mikkel Boedker rebound early in the third and Namestnikov added an empty-net goal. With nearly 40 family members on hand for the fourth installment of the clash between the Tkachuk brothers, it was Brady who finally prevailed, also picking up an assist. It marked the first time he was on the winning side. The game started with referee Wes McCauley throwing out Artem Anisimov and Elias Lindholm out of the faceoff circle to allow the brothers to take the opening draw. “We got that out of the way last year and we had talked about it,” Matthew Tkachuk said. “This year we didn’t talk about it and weren’t going to do it. Wes was great. He said, ‘If I’m reffing, you guys have got to do the opening draw -- your mom will love it.’ " Brady admitted getting the win was a little more special considering who it was against, but in the end the two points were the most important. “It’s two teams who need those points and definitely happy we got those two points,” he said. “It was all because of (Hogberg). He stood in there and had a phenomenal performance. Wish we could have lessened the load in the first period, but it showed everybody how good of a goalie he is.” The Senators took a 2-0 lead in the second as Tierney picked up a loose puck in front and backhanded it past Rittich. Brown then scored on a power play as he dug at a puck under Rittich and was able to push it over the goal line. Hogberg made a huge stick save on Sam Bennett midway through the second to keep the Flames off the board. Brady Tkachuk scored his 15th of the season when he looked to pass to Anthony Duclair but instead saw the puck deflect off Travis Harmonic’s stick and into the net at 7:15 of the first.
  14. Ovechkin already had one a half season lockout in his career (2012-2013) and Gretzky did not have any. I think Alex will play from 7 to 8 healthy seasons (up to 41-42 y.o.). He is 34 y.o. now. Jarg played even in NHL till the age of 46. I do not think Ovechkin will get to Wayne's goals numbers, but will be getting close to it. I also think he can pass the Wayne's record in next 7-8 more seasons of placing 50 and more goals per season. So far Ovechkin has 8 seasons of 50 and more goals per season and Gretzky has 9 of those seasons. It is always exciting to see a battle of the humans achievements in sports. Agree regarding - people remember more goals , but not much assists.
  15. Marcel Dionne scored 731 goals...what's he remembered for? NOT winning a cup. You could make a case for Ovechkin being the best winger...but Gordie Howe would elbow you in the head and score. I don't buy it. Brett Hull was a great goal scorer. I remember him at NOT being very good at anything else. McDavid has 10 more goals than Mathews...in 75 more games. Mathews is the better scorer. McDavid is the better player. No Mathews can't play at McDavids level, but he can shoot better.
  16. Yeah looks like this kid they just signed has come alive and may actually be good. He has won his last 4 starts vs some good teams. NJD shutout Canes 941% Boston shutout Vegas shutout Doesn't bode well for the Flyers. They are actually tied points and games played but CBJ has more ROW 25 to 21. So the loser would get the Caps the first round if the playoffs were to start today. AWESOME gift!
  17. One of the biggest issues with this team is right were they are sitting...barely in the playoffs...only because they have one more point than the Canes but they have played one more game. So it feels like typical Flyers they can't do it the easy way they play so up and down that it seems like they are going to need some help in the end to get into the playoffs all because they can beat the team they should like they always shoot themselves in the foot. It would be nice if they could ever build a cushion and you know actually TAKE a playoff seeding. Same ol Flyers....i really really hope this doesn't rub off on the youth...the remaining core of the ones left once the chokers move on. Don't taint the youth.
  18. Sokolov is continuing to shine for the Iowa Wild team( by having already 11 goals; 5 assists;+/- +10 in 23 played games). He placed 1 single team goal and was #3 star of the previous game and placed 2 goals and was #1 star of the last game. We won that game in OT with a score 4:3. According to the Iowa Wild main page - "Sokolov’s two tallies extended his goal streak to four games and point streak to five, both of which are career-highs for the winger. His four-game goal streak is also tied for the longest active streak in the AHL and since Jan. 11, his five tallies rank second among all skaters in the league." From the good news also - Mason Shaw had his 1st game in AHL after a long period of rehabilitation from the last year injury which he got during the playoffs time. From other news - Gerald Mayhew did not play last 2 games. Is he injured?
  19. It would be nice to have Hart for this one but at least they are coming off a win with Elliott. Hopefully it won't come down to goaltending. Joel Farabee with goals in back to back games it would be very well timed if he was to come alive now and things begin to slow down for him and he become a solid scoring threat for the the team. Hope he can keep it up. They need all the goal scorers they can get. It's the Pens they have been known to get up for the big games and they are at home so i expect a win. Then over a week off before they face off again. Points are getting scarce now they can not afford to squander them any longer.
  20. I am not sure LIG. Like I said before, something is going on with his mentality to show high level of hockey as well as with his skills during this season.
  21. It was really a nice 60 minutes entire team's game with a superb 7:0 win. Out of all 7 goals I liked more Donato's goal with his individual puck's control in front of the net before placing that goal. Actually the most goals where placed above the half part of the net, but not below which is a really positive sign. Those goals more difficult to take by the goalie. Russo said that the team did not repeat this 7:0 score since 2015 when they beat a Buffalo Sabres team in Buffalo(Jan.15,2015). If we will continue to play like the last 2 games then we will have again a chance to fight for the playoffs spot. Agree regarding Stalock. It seems he has at this moment more confidence than Dubnyk.
  22. Thanks LIG for the nice post-game review and for the mentioned prospects tremendous progress this season. I do not remember that for a long period of time when so many our prospects such progressed in one season.
  23. I think Crosby is the better overall player too. I'm just saying when we look back at these guys, Ovechkin is going to be considered as possibly the greatest goal scorer of all time (when we adjust for era). Nobody is going to say Crosby is the best playmaker or goal scorer of all time when he retires. Given that Crosby is a center, he should have more points. Almost all the top points players of all time are centers. Ovechkin is playing the game at another level and for the role of top winger, he is doing it better than anyone else in the history of the game. You could make the case today that Ovechkin is the best winger in the history of the NHL. Yes but whenever you watch a Gretzky highlight it's of him scoring. People aren't remembering the assists other than the Team Canada goal with Mario. That's my point. People remember goals and people remember goal-scorers. I'd take McDavid over both of them today too, but I don't see your comparison. McDavid can score better than Matthews can, and he's playing most of the time on a crap team in Edmonton. Did I not just watch McDavid blow past Rielly and score the best goal of this season so far a few weeks ago? Matthews can't do that. He's a good goal scorer, but he's not playing at the level McDavid is.
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    • Okay, after listening to feedback (I do occasionally listen lol) I took a second crack at this stat.... and here's what I came up with: 

      To me, what was missing previously was a way to get defensive scores back UP again through continued playing time, so now it's here. It's like a "counter-balance" to allow defensive scores to rise. 
      With this recent improvement, there was no longer a need to add 100 to try and pretty up the scores. I left them as is and they fluctuate between positive and negative values, just like regular +/-..... but this is NO +/- !!!  This is much closer (I hope) to what people have been looking for. It is quite literally DEFENCE..... just defence and nothing else. 
      Now, I know what people are going to say: "But guys are still being punished for offence..."  (That comment makes me cringe.) No player is ever technically "punished" for offence. They're just not able to boost their DEFENCE rating by scoring points. That's it. If you're the worst defensive player in the league, you can't score 100 goals, boost your stat, and then turn around and claim a Selke trophy. This isn't +/-. Just like you can't erase ERRORS in baseball by hitting more home runs. It doesn't make sense. If you commit 50 errors in baseball, the only way you can get better is to stop making errors... and if you play long enough error-free, you will eventually raise your fielding percentage to a respectable level. But the bottom line is that you can't hit your way out of bad fielding stats.
      Okay, so how does this work now? It starts with the Minus stat (as described previously) but now I take TOI (Time On Ice in minutes) and divide it by 60. That value gets added to the score. So for every game you play without committing a "-", your defence score will go up. Notice that this accomplishes a few things: It sort of considers "quality of opposition" into the stat (because your best players play the most) but it also rewards the players who contribute the most to your team. 
      I still don't know if I have anything viable here, but it gives me a good feeling this time around.   
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    • Cale Makar's Assault On The Record Book
      OK....some crazy stuff going on in Ave's land! The all time record for a rookie defensemen is 76 by the great Larry Murphy. Even Ray Bourque had under 70...he had 4th best with 65 rookie pts. Makar is on pace for 93. Staggering. 
        The scary part is he is doing this with Rantanen and Landeskog both out with serious injuries. Cales hockey sense is outrageous for a rookie...howitzer of a shot...wicked moves, agile and smart. He reminds me of Bourque as a rookie. He has 100 pt potential...as silly as that sounds in this day and age. 
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    • Vladimir Tarasenko Out 5 Months
      The defending Stanley Cup champion St Louis Blues have just received a dose of bad news.  Teresenko, the superstar that helped the Blues hoist their first Cup, is now to be lost for 5 months due to shoulder surgery.  If they can survive without him and still make the playoffs, it would seem he would return for that.  I believe they are deep enough to do it. 
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    • It's Demko time!!
      Small deal between the Canucks and the Senators today with possible large implications for both.
      Vancouver gets: Taylor Pyatt, a 13th forward not much of a player. McKenna, an AHL goalie pressed into duty because of injuries to the Ottawa net and a 6th round pick.
      Ottawa gets Anders Nilsson who in two years as a backup in Vancouver went 10-27 and Darren Archibald who has been a meh prospect forever now and who looks like he is just a body to even out the players involved.
       A bunch of hot garbage in other words but it may be a sign of things to come for both.
        First Ottawa seems almost certain to trade Craig Anderson at some point now and ride out the season with Nilsson in net. A contender wanting a veteran goalie will take a shot at him. 
        Vancouver likely will ship McKenna to the AHL and call up top prospect Thatcher Demko to share the net at the least and possibly become the primary starter after two very successful seasons with Utica in the AHL. Demko is a California boy, a big surfer looking dude who Benning has shown surprising patience with as he developed. Moving Nilsson clears the way for him to get his shot probably moving Markstrom to the backup role for the remaining of the season to see what Demko can do.
        So a trade of junk for junk has implication for an aging brittle goalie and for a kid chomping at the bit wanting a shot.
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    • Post in Paul Fenton has been fired as GM after just one season.
      It's possible. But I think right now your biggest issue is timing. The Wild fired Fenton at a time is year where the replacement pool is such that if the candidate were any good, he'd already be working. 
      Leipold should get a lot of "credit" for badly bungling this situation (and it's on him if what you describe is accurate, and I think it is up an extent).  His statements indicate this started at exit interviews. 
      First of all, if you did any credible due diligence, you knew this before. But make a decision when you did realize it.  You don't go to the end of July, in hockey's no man's land (we'll call it "Miami," for short) and then make this move. 
      Leipold is nearly single-handedly destroying his own franchise. 
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    • To answer your question, what makes a good NHL GM?
      You noted player personnel wins and losses... But didn't cover anything else. Understandably, I get it, but IMO there's a ton more behind being a good GM.
      Looking at it from a fan perspective player personnel is about the only thing one could care about. But from an operations standpoint, or from an owners standpoint, generating $$ is all they ever put much emphasis on. Business, or rather being a successful business equals follow the money.
      Something I brought up several years ago was the Wild, under Doug Risenbrough, were an economically successful team. The team never spent to the Cap but they had sellout after sellout. Contrary to some the previous ownership claimed they were losing money. Where have we heard that with the Minnesota North Stars? Hence, they left for Dallas and won a Stanley Cup, 2 Conference Titles, 2 Presidents Trophies and 8 Division Titles... They're doing well generating revenue. They were bought for $84 million in 1995 and are now valued at $525 million. The Dallas Stars are a prime example of spending more (wisely) can create residual earnings. Which is something the Minnesota North Stars never figured out.
      Insert the Minnesota Wild. So under Robert Naegele, Jr., and GM Doug Risenbrough, as mentioned they ran a tight ship on spending. Wild fans here viewed them as cheap. The results as some pride themselves as describing, they're a successful team because they've had so many sellouts in a less than desirable "Hockey Market" because everyone here keeps reminding everyone (nationally) that Minnesota isn't a very good hockey market. (That's something I totally disagree with.) Minnesota probably has more hockey pucks and hockey arena's per capita than any other state or Canadian Providence... To match it's 'Land of 10,000 Lakes' boast.
      Granted, it's a bit off-topic talking about Minnesota's hockey market, but in the grand scheme of things no one can match Minnesota's superior high school hockey programs or the number of successful college hockey programs... Fans following them could have gone to more North Stars games, or more Wild games... But why if neither of those teams have anything to show for their efforts except being on the losing end of highlight reels (nationwide)?
      Okay, back on topic now that I've eliminated any just cause that Minnesota can't be a major hockey market.
      Read more ... https://www.hockeyforums.net/topic/71822-what-makes-a-good-nhl-gm/?do=findComment&comment=390931

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    • The more I'm thinking about this the more I'm coming to the conclusion it's not simply the coach but the result of the coach trying to compensate for the goaltending -- which is ultimately on Hextall. 
      The centers ARE a mess. And so is Ghost. Why? Because the centers are not staying low in the offensive zone and--Patrick and Coots in particular--not mucking it up in the slot to cheat back to hedge against being caught. 
      Ghost is doing less going low or pinching much for the same reason.  It's possible they're doing this on their own. Whether deliberate or not, it's a natural response to the knowledge that any mistake, any odd man or often even man rush the other way will end up past the incompetent sieves in our net. 
      It's just as likely that this is per coach directive much for the same reason. 
      The question remains--bluntly--how does a competent GM look at his goaltending this past summer and not move to fix this while leaving $10M in cap space on the table? 
      How does that same competent GM go through the summer knowing he doesn't have a 3C  and not move to correct that in any sober way? Again, with the $10M sitting there. 
      I know he doesn't want a contract that blocks kids and doesn't want to move said kids for it, but that effectively and explicitly tosses this season away. 
      Meanwhile, the tickets are still full price. 
      You see the results in the stands during the game. The last game, the stands had all the energy of a wake.  
      There was apparently zero thought of putting out a quality product this season. And there's no good reason for it. 
      I do like what Hextall has done with draft picks.  But it sucks that the most exciting time of year is the lead up to the draft.  Only to keep saying, "boy, in five years!" 
      I've been uncharacteristically calling for patience the last couple of years. Those who have been around for awhile--especially those from the silly.com days--know how out of character that really it.  But the patience has waned.   At this point, supplement through trade. Move out "leadership" that isn't leading. 
      Do SOMETHING other than punish kids you yourself have damaged only to bring up other soon to be damaged kids.  Wake the hell up and get the lumina out of neutral and go get us some damn halibut! 
      We're starving! 
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    • Why no Canadian NHL team will win the cup
      Gary Bettman who is the commissioner of the National Hockey League (NHL) was brought in 30 years ago with one agenda, and that was to grow the game of hockey in the USA.  In Canada the game of hockey is like a religion, with winters lasting 6 months all there is, is hockey.  Fans are passionate and it's the number one sport.  Football and baseball come second and third.  Unfortunately for fans in Canada, no Canadian NHL team has won the Stanley Cup for 25 years since the Montreal Canadians have won.


      This thesis will explain why no Canadian team will win the Stanley Cup until at least 2050.

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