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    • Brayden Point Watch
      Nope. No signs yet that Point will sign with the Lightning, however, from what I have been reading the Bolts are confident they can get something done before training camp starts.

      A few links:
      https://www.tampabay.com/sports/lightning/2019/07/26/why-lightning-fans-dont-need-to-freak-out-about-brayden-point/
       
      https://www.rawcharge.com/2019/7/26/8931246/quick-strikes-where-its-still-all-quiet-on-the-brayden-point-front-gritty-toronto-maple-leafs-trade
       
      https://www.gohabsgo.com/articles/report-brayden-point-rejected-habs-offer-sheet/
       
      One very good thing in the Bolts' favor is that Points seems to WANT to stay in Tampa Bay. 
      And why wouldn't he? Not only is it the organization that gave him his chance to be a star player, but it is a wining organization that, despite recent setbacks, still is on track to be a legit Stanley Cup contender for a few years to come.

      From what I understand, the locker room is pretty tight knit as well and players all over the league, both current and retired, can probably attest to how important that is not only for a winning culture, but for how much fun a player has "coming to work everyday".

      Montreal supposedly made a nice offer to his agent...it was turned down....and Point even seems to understand the situation with the Bolts' cap situation, though he obviously wants to maximize his own earning potential...and rightly so.
      Probably why things have taken as long as they have been.

      Some things I've seen talked about were bridge deals. A lesser amount than he would like, for a shorter term, to then, afterwards, cash in on a big max term, max dollar contract.
      3, 4, or 5 year bridge deals are being talked about. And with Point being only 23, it means that even after a 5 year bridge deal, he would still be in his prime at 28 to sign a big deal either with the Lightning or somewhere else.

      And is it a coincidence that the time frame for such a bridge deal goes right with when contracts such as Alex Killorn, Ondrej Palat, or even Tyler Johnson expire (each of those players are making anywhere from 4.5M to 5.2M each)? Hmmmm…….

      Will post things regarding Brayden Point on this thread as they become available.
      Other posters, are of course, more than welcome to add stuff as they hear them (links would be nice) or simply comment on the Point negotiations, how long a contract he ultimately gets and whether he stays on after a bridge deal (if that is the case).
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    • Coyotes New Owner: "We Are Staying in the Desert"
      From MSN
      https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nhl/alex-meruelo-purchase-of-coyotes-finalized-making-him-nhls-first-latino-majority-owner/ar-AAF1PJi
       
      From the Washington Post
      https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nhl/billionaire-alex-meruelo-takes-ownership-of-coyotes/2019/08/01/e9d2b5c8-b4ac-11e9-acc8-1d847bacca73_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.6d33112bbf91
       

       
      Looks like those saying the Arizona Coyotes will be moving elsewhere are gonna have to wait a bit longer.
      New majority owner Alex Meruelo, known for turning around failed businesses, said upon buying the team that he fully intends on keeping the team in Arizona and making it "a viable business".

      Great news for Yotes fans (the few I've met really are hardcore, believe it or not) and if this works out, he might be known as the "Jeff Vinik of the Southwest".
      Jeff Vinik, of course, is the Lightning owner, who, since taking over the team, has put lots of hard work, hired excellent hockey people, and has turned the Lightning from NHL joke, to perennial contender.

      May help Mr. Meruelo's efforts that his Yotes will be moving to the Central division in 2021 where he will be with teams and fanbases from Minnesota, St. Louis, etc...…. not only are the fanbases in the Central seemingly more rabid than those in the Pacific (taking nothing away from the Western Canadian team fanbases), but many retirees come from some of those Central division cities so even as the Yotes look to garner their own solid fanbase, they at least will more easily fill the building as Central division teams make their way to play the Coyotes with more regularity.
       
      I'm actually glad to hear this coming from the new owner as I honestly hate to see cities and areas lose pro teams.
      Sincerely hope he can put his past successes at turning around floundering businesses to work here and that he is successful.

      Hey, people said Florida was not a viable hockey market, and for awhile, that looked like the case...till Jeff Vinik came in (and pretty much had the same type of attitude towards turning things around that Alex Meruelo seems to have) and MADE it a viable hockey market.

      Much success to his efforts....and even now, he has a not-so-bad collection of players to work with.
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    • Post in Paul Fenton has been fired as GM after just one season.
      It's possible. But I think right now your biggest issue is timing. The Wild fired Fenton at a time is year where the replacement pool is such that if the candidate were any good, he'd already be working. 
       
      Leipold should get a lot of "credit" for badly bungling this situation (and it's on him if what you describe is accurate, and I think it is up an extent).  His statements indicate this started at exit interviews. 
       
      First of all, if you did any credible due diligence, you knew this before. But make a decision when you did realize it.  You don't go to the end of July, in hockey's no man's land (we'll call it "Miami," for short) and then make this move. 
       
      Leipold is nearly single-handedly destroying his own franchise. 
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    • To answer your question, what makes a good NHL GM?
       
      You noted player personnel wins and losses... But didn't cover anything else. Understandably, I get it, but IMO there's a ton more behind being a good GM.
       
      Looking at it from a fan perspective player personnel is about the only thing one could care about. But from an operations standpoint, or from an owners standpoint, generating $$ is all they ever put much emphasis on. Business, or rather being a successful business equals follow the money.
       
      Something I brought up several years ago was the Wild, under Doug Risenbrough, were an economically successful team. The team never spent to the Cap but they had sellout after sellout. Contrary to some the previous ownership claimed they were losing money. Where have we heard that with the Minnesota North Stars? Hence, they left for Dallas and won a Stanley Cup, 2 Conference Titles, 2 Presidents Trophies and 8 Division Titles... They're doing well generating revenue. They were bought for $84 million in 1995 and are now valued at $525 million. The Dallas Stars are a prime example of spending more (wisely) can create residual earnings. Which is something the Minnesota North Stars never figured out.
       
      Insert the Minnesota Wild. So under Robert Naegele, Jr., and GM Doug Risenbrough, as mentioned they ran a tight ship on spending. Wild fans here viewed them as cheap. The results as some pride themselves as describing, they're a successful team because they've had so many sellouts in a less than desirable "Hockey Market" because everyone here keeps reminding everyone (nationally) that Minnesota isn't a very good hockey market. (That's something I totally disagree with.) Minnesota probably has more hockey pucks and hockey arena's per capita than any other state or Canadian Providence... To match it's 'Land of 10,000 Lakes' boast.
       
      Granted, it's a bit off-topic talking about Minnesota's hockey market, but in the grand scheme of things no one can match Minnesota's superior high school hockey programs or the number of successful college hockey programs... Fans following them could have gone to more North Stars games, or more Wild games... But why if neither of those teams have anything to show for their efforts except being on the losing end of highlight reels (nationwide)?
       
      Okay, back on topic now that I've eliminated any just cause that Minnesota can't be a major hockey market.
       
      Read more ... https://www.hockeyforums.net/topic/71822-what-makes-a-good-nhl-gm/?do=findComment&comment=390931
       

       
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    • The more I'm thinking about this the more I'm coming to the conclusion it's not simply the coach but the result of the coach trying to compensate for the goaltending -- which is ultimately on Hextall. 
       
      The centers ARE a mess. And so is Ghost. Why? Because the centers are not staying low in the offensive zone and--Patrick and Coots in particular--not mucking it up in the slot to cheat back to hedge against being caught. 
       
      Ghost is doing less going low or pinching much for the same reason.  It's possible they're doing this on their own. Whether deliberate or not, it's a natural response to the knowledge that any mistake, any odd man or often even man rush the other way will end up past the incompetent sieves in our net. 
       
      It's just as likely that this is per coach directive much for the same reason. 
       
      The question remains--bluntly--how does a competent GM look at his goaltending this past summer and not move to fix this while leaving $10M in cap space on the table? 
       
      How does that same competent GM go through the summer knowing he doesn't have a 3C  and not move to correct that in any sober way? Again, with the $10M sitting there. 
       
      I know he doesn't want a contract that blocks kids and doesn't want to move said kids for it, but that effectively and explicitly tosses this season away. 
       
      Meanwhile, the tickets are still full price. 
       
      You see the results in the stands during the game. The last game, the stands had all the energy of a wake.  
       
      There was apparently zero thought of putting out a quality product this season. And there's no good reason for it. 
       
      I do like what Hextall has done with draft picks.  But it sucks that the most exciting time of year is the lead up to the draft.  Only to keep saying, "boy, in five years!" 
       
      I've been uncharacteristically calling for patience the last couple of years. Those who have been around for awhile--especially those from the silly.com days--know how out of character that really it.  But the patience has waned.   At this point, supplement through trade. Move out "leadership" that isn't leading. 
       
      Do SOMETHING other than punish kids you yourself have damaged only to bring up other soon to be damaged kids.  Wake the hell up and get the lumina out of neutral and go get us some damn halibut! 
       
      We're starving! 
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    • Why no Canadian NHL team will win the cup
      Gary Bettman who is the commissioner of the National Hockey League (NHL) was brought in 30 years ago with one agenda, and that was to grow the game of hockey in the USA.  In Canada the game of hockey is like a religion, with winters lasting 6 months all there is, is hockey.  Fans are passionate and it's the number one sport.  Football and baseball come second and third.  Unfortunately for fans in Canada, no Canadian NHL team has won the Stanley Cup for 25 years since the Montreal Canadians have won.

       

      This thesis will explain why no Canadian team will win the Stanley Cup until at least 2050.

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  2. I think Andreoff and Stewart are there to create a situation where the young guys have to earn their spot. They are also insurance if the young guys collectively look not ready IMO. In other words, if either Andreoff or Stewart (or *gasp* both) are on the opening night roster, it means the young bucks didn’t convince coaches and management that they are ready.
  3. OK, the first one is a mean, red claw and a tiny, red foot attacking small blue amoebas. The second is a drunk, blue ghost with a mask on. What do I win? Also make him a more expensive "compliance" buyout should the situation warrant. The more I look at it, the more player-centric it really is. $7M a year up front, $4M on the line in a work stoppage, $46M on the back end ($30.62M buyout). That's almost $45 million lock down guaranteed. Which may go a long way towards re-signing with a "trainwreck".
  4. Funny how in 2022-23 when there may be a work stoppage he is only making 4 mill...hhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmm...
  5. HHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEYYYYYYYYYYY that is an awesome idea...i will email Chuckles to run it by G and see what he thinks.
  6. To follow on, looking at their sophomore seasons, Chabot's offensive metrics are better than Provorov's, while his defensive metrics are worse, but some not by very much. I'd need someone smarter than me to parse it out. Like this:
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  8. For sure! The odd thing is...this has happened before, but never got more than a day or two. I can't remember the last Twins game I've seen...but this has been most of the summer! And now it bleeds into Wild season too. I suppose there's no way to prove to them we deserve a rebate being that we get a certain tier in order to watch Twins/Wild?
  9. I watched him a couple of times in the LHJMQ when he was pretty dominant in St-John, in a team that was dominant at that time. I wasn't expecting him to install himself so quick in the NHL but after the Karlsson trade people immediately saw him as a replacement. I also attend some Sens games and he managed to succeed in that quick jump in the league. Also on the plus side, he's playing in a trainwreck, unfortunately, but NOT in Montréal, away from distractions and all the negative pressure that surrounds the Habs. Still needs to work on his defensive game but he has a good margin of progression. I think he can be a regular 60+ pts Defenseman.
  10. Yea, it doesn't make a lot of sense to me either. Not dollars nor cents too. If you're not providing a service then why do we have to pay for it? We should all get a big rebate that way.
  11. No way Spurgeon probably signs for anywhere less than 5 years. But I think 7 years is stupid. Even for Spurgeon.
  12. I have to disagree i think it's a 4 player race. Farabee Rubtsov Vorobyev Frost Adreoff has been invisible and AHL bound. NAK makes the team by default of waivers requirement if by no other reason to be the 13th forward. Stewart will remain on PTO until needed he can still practice with the team and travel and won't count towards the 23 roster limit until he needs to play and signed to a contract. Roster circumvention if for a lack of a better term.
  13. NO that is overpayment i think for sure. Myers IMHO has the potential to be a #2 overall defenseman it may take him two or three ore years to get there but to me it's still overpayment in my eyes. Besides the fact i am concerned with Laine's work ethic...he is honestly a guy i would be scared to trade for. So i am good stay put. I do like Connors game...so stay the course.
  14. Smarter people than I who have watched Chabot since Juniors think he is worth that contract, so I don't know. I honestly don't think I've watched an Ottawa game since he broke into the league, so I have nothing to base it on.
  15. The real problem with the trade scenario is that I just don't see what we would give up front that makes sense. Say you trade Ghost and JVR for Laine. Salary works, but that's definitely overpayment IMO. Ghost and Voracek? Also overpayment. Myers and Voracek? Ok, probably a reasonable package, but I still think it's an overpayment and I'm not sure it makes us better. Farabee, Lindblom, and Patrick don't make enough money to be included (since we would need to clear space), TK just signed and unless Homer is pulling the strings, he ain't moving. I don't readily see how we could make a trade that a) makes sense salary-wise and b) makes us better.
  16. It's not that the Flyers don't want him he unfortunately in my eyes slide to the 8th spot behind Sam sadly. Mostly just because of his limited skillset and i think Morin can do everything he can do and even more. So it makes him available....if they want him for say a 3rd round pick. I like those two forwards but they wouldn't want what i would want to give. And i would prefer Connor over Laine. For personal reasons. I would have offered a package of Patrick, TK and Hagg for those two maybe before they came to terms with TK. So i'm good now and would prefer to hold tight unless they just want Hagg for the pick....or a prospect maybe.
  17. @mojo1917 Or if you like the remixes....
  18. Yeah can't argue that. The one thing he does i wish he'd fix is not play so small in net...other goalie try to play big and take up as much net as they can...Lyon seems to want to crouch down so much and rely on his reflexes to save him. He might get away with that in the AHL but in the NHL these guys can pick their corners....shooters are so much better. At this stage i'm not sure if he can change that and still play his game...so ultimately i think he is a career AHLer at best.
  19. At this point I feel comfortable saying he can't. I like his determination and willingness to battle. In the end I think he's a very good AHL goalie but not NHL material.
  20. He could always go play with Lehterrible in St. Petersburg...
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