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If the team is a mentally weak bunch, they will start searching for a whipping boy. Anybody as a scapegoat, to not have to face the reality. I really hope this is not the case here.
Oct 18: Dinos Win and Cougar Surprises Steal Spotlight CALGARY DINOSAURS 5 MANITOBA BISONS 2 Links: LeagueStat: [Summary] : [Report] CW Hockey Tech: [Summary] : [Report] : [Text] Boxscores: [USP/CIS] : [Coach's View] : [UofM] Stories: [UofM] : [rp @CW] : [rp @UofC] The Bedrock Dinos showed why they're #1 in the OHT35. In short, the Bisons played pretty well but to beat the Dinos they will need the odd break and some big performances. A couple big, strong forwards would help as well. Here's how they lined up: MANITOBA BISONS Goal 30 Lamb (1 Link) Defence 2 Henry 3 Christensen 4 Stanley 6 Dyck 5 Schioler 28 Pouteau Forwards 29 Wasylak 12 Jameson 22 Leipsic 14 Keane 25 Skrumeda 17 Veloso 11 Carlson 10 Skoleski 19 Halvorson 16 Tripp 9 Thiessen 15 Dalke Scratches 8 Barley 13 Labossiere 20 Apetagon 21 Harris 26 Leblanc 27 Doerksen 35 Brown CALGARY DINOSAURS Goal 1 Greenfield (31 Salmond) Defence 44 Hines 7 Brown 29 Shearer 3 Gagnon 42 Gibson 41 Khaira Forwards 11 Elder 17 Gordon 16 Alfaro 23 Graham 21 L Fisher 22 Cook 39 Zablocki 15 Vanstone 24 Harrison 9 Black 18 Xavier 26 Schoonbaert Scratches 2 Kearley 5 Henderson 10 R Fisher 27 Rauckman 28 Uhrich 30 Gutenberg Quick Summary 1st 1:12 CD Gordon (2) ASST: Hines Vanstone 1st 8:00 MB Tripp (1) ASST: Dalke Thiessen 1st 8:44 MB Keane (2) ASST: Veloso Jameson (PP) 2nd 8:52 CD Elder (3) ASST: Alfaro Gordon 2nd 15:29 CD Elder (4) ASST: Gordon Alfaro 3rd 4:45 CD Cook (3) ASST: L Fisher (PP) 3rd 19:02 CD Elder (5) ASST: Gordon Shearer (PP) W: Greenfield (12 saves, 14 shots) L: Lamb (45 saves, 50 shots) The shots were 25-13 through two periods, and the score 3-2, both in favour of the Dinos. The Bison forwards did not manage a load of shots but did generate two high quality opportunities off passing plays, and two of those were converted. In the 3rd period the shots were 25-1 for the Dinos. The TSN Turning Point would have been the 4-2 goal. After that one, the Dinos locked down the Bisons. The rematch goes Saturday at 2:00 p.m. OUT-OF-TOWN SCOREBOARD LETHBRIDGE PRONGHORNS 0 SASKATCHEWAN HUSKIES 5 Links: LeagueStat: Summary Boxscores: CWHT : USP/CIS Stories: UofS : rp @CW : UofL I know it's early, but this was a must-win for the Banjo Mutts. In fact, Saturday's rematch is also a must-win game. The threat of going from 25-3 to a cellar-dweller would not sit well in Hillbillyland. Carson Stadnyk led the way with 2 goals. Taran Kozun got the win with an 18 save shut-out. Taz Burman got the loss after being yanked in the 2nd period, stopping 13 of 16 shots. Nikolas Amundrud finished with 22 saves on 24 shots. MOUNT ROYAL COUGARS 7 ALBERTA GOLDEN BEARS 3 Links: LeagueStat: Summary Boxscores: CWHT : USP/CIS Stories: UofA : rp @CW : rp @MRU* Well this one will get the tongues wagging nation-wide. Like I said in pre-season, MRU recruited what they needed. I never pegged them to win 3 straight road games against Sask and Alberta, however. That Bison split last weekend sure looks good now, eh? The Evil Monkeys did rack up the shots, outshooting the Bluegars 39-28. Brendan Burke got the loss after a 1st period pulling when he stopped just 5 of 8 shots. Matt Berlin stopped 16 of 19 shots in relief. Wyatt Hoflin stopped 36 of 39 for the W. Connor Chartier scored twice for MRU, including a shorthanded penalty shot. MRU hosts Saturday's rematch. REGINA COUGARS 2 U.B.C. THUNDERBIRDS 1 Links: LeagueStat: Summary Boxscores: CWHT : USP/CIS* Stories: UBC : rp @CW : UofR* On a night when the Evil Monkeys lose at home, the game gets pipped for the title of upset-of-the-night when the previously winless Banjo Cats steal the spotlight. The Tweety-Birds warned that they thought they saw a dangerous puddy-tat but nobody listened. Chalk one up for the Felines! Brand Holtby got the win, with 38 saves on 39 shots. Patrick Dea stopped 23 of 25 in defeat. OUT EAST AUS St. F.X. 3 UNB 6 Saint Mary's 8 UPEI 2 Dalhousie 3 Moncton 2 (OT) OUA Ontario Tech 5 RMC 2 Guelph 3 Carleton 2 Windsor 5 Lakehead 3 Waterloo 1 McGill 6 Brock 3 UQTR 4 (OT) Ryerson 2 York 1 Laurier 5 Concordia 6 Nipissing 4 Laurentian 3 W. Ontario 7 Ottawa 2 Links: • [USP/CIS S&R] • [OUA LS Daily] • [AUS S&R] * indicates link not active as i post
I didn't say soon did I? After the burning,... After some changes from BG...After Hell freezes... give or take. I haven't looked at the schedule, So no looking for a group of struggling teams. Usually doesn't happen that way anyhow. Hopefully a streak happens after some changes because a 5-10 win streak and the brass will think the ship's been righted and pull back on changes. I picked 5 because it's reachable. Less than 4 isn't much of a "streak".
PROJECTED LINES (Subject to change, will be updated)FLYERS28 Claude Giroux - 14 Sean Couturier - 11 Travis Konecny23 Oskar Lindblom - 13 Kevin Hayes - 93 Jakub Voracek25 James van Riemsdyk - 21 Scott Laughton - 18 Tyler Pitlick81 Carsen Twarynski - 12 Michael Raffl - 44 Chris Stewart9 Ivan Provorov - 15 Matt Niskanen6 Travis Sanheim - 61 Justin Braun53 Shayne Gostisbehere - 8 Robert Hägg79 Carter Hart[37 Brian Elliott]Power Play 1: Giroux, Couturier, Konecny, Voracek, Gostisbehere.Power Play 2: Lindblom, Hayes, JVR, Provorov, Niskanen.Scratches: 55 Sam Morin (healthy).Injured non-roster: 19 Nolan Patrick (migraines).STARS18 Jason Dickinson - 91 Tyler Seguin - 47 Alexander Radulov14 Jamie Benn - 24 Roope Hintz - 10 Corey Perry13 Mattias Janmark - 12 Radek Faksa - 16 Joe Pavelski11 Andrew Cogliano - 37 Justin Dowling - 34 Denis Gurianov23 Esa Lindell - 3 John Klingberg5 Andrej Sekera - 4 Miro Heiskanen2 Jamie Oleksiak - 42 Taylor Fedun30 Ben Bishop[35 Anton Khudobin]Power Play 1: Pavelski, Benn, Radulov, Seguin, Klingberg.Power Play 2: Gurianov, Hintz, Perry, Lindell, Heiskanen.Scratches: 39 Joel Hanley (healthy), 49 Rhett Gardner (healthy).Injured reserve: 15 Blake Comeau (lower body), 28 Stephen Johns (PCS),40 Martin Hanzal (back), 45 Roman Polak (fractured sternum).
Yes I guess it would depend on what went with it or came back. But I would honestly expect something back with him unless he signed a new contract before the trade. The great thing about Hoffman is he can play all 3 forward positions. I honestly wouldn't mind trading JVR for him first. 28 Claude Giroux - 14 Sean Couturier - 11 Travis Konecny 68 Mike Hoffman - 13 Kevin Hayes - 93 Jakub Voracek 49 Joel Farabee - 24 Misha Vorobyev - 23 Oskar Lindbom 12 Michael Raffl - 21 Scott Laughton - 18 Tyler Pitlick This wouldn't be a bad line up.
Yeah, I’d be surprised if we see him before US Thanksgiving. Probably not before Christmas. Patrick hasn’t played a hockey game in almost 7 months. His practices are short, slow, and without contact. There’s a long way for him to go still.
Interesting. I’d be tempted to ask about Hoffman, and a swap would depend on a few things. What’s going the other way? And how much for how long does Hoffman want? He’s 29, so not really interested in giving him a 7 year deal. If he wants 5 or less, I’d swap Voracek for him. If we actually want to start changing the core, this is one way to do it. I’d keep JVR.
@brelic So Mike Hoffman is on the block since the word is he won't resign in Florida. So would you trade Jake for him? Or what about JVR for him asking for a friend. I am asking you because if I remember right you suggested this past offseason....I think it was you and I said no. But i have changed my stance now. So i wonder would Florida take one of those two because they are under contract for a few years and have no NTC or no NMC.
Wonder if the Flyers can ink this kid at the end of the year?
This game makes me nervous. Dallas has already lost 4 straight. Flyers please don't be that team to help the Stars out of their turmoil. Please don't be the team that you have shown in the past. Please. Time to turn the page. And it starts with putting away the teams you're suppose to beat. Show me or us that you have changed. Don't tell me. SHOW ME!
Goal Farabee nice nickname.....hope it sticks. Unsung hero Morgan Frost with 3 assists.
In opposite to our big club, Iowa Wild won the game again, even without Mayhew, last night against Manitoba Moose with a score 6:4(placing 43 shots vs 32). I am glad that Sokolov started to play this season and had 4 shots on goal. Dewar still is not involved.
IMO, no excuses at all for the professional players who are making millions $ per year. Players complains are not acceptable too. Chemistry among the players should be build mainly during their hardly intense daily practices between the games. If players are not capable to produce anything then free the space for the next generation of players who are willing to make a history for the club. Show in professional sport is show, attracting lots of fans as well as involving lots of money.
Maybe I am wrong, but after the game against Canadiens, I have more and more feelings that the team is really gave up on the coach and wants to remove him out of the team. 17 shots vs 32 (with a score 0:4- our 6th loss) last night tells that something is going very bad inside our team. If I remember, Mike Yeo was fired when the Wild lost 12 out of 14 games in a row. Similar scenario happened with him when he was as a coach for the Blues last year. After analyzing our team’s poor performance, I am thinking that it is became more evident after Donato stopped producing practically any goals and any assists last season. He initially started pretty well as a rookie for the Wild by placing 4 goals; 12 assists, and we were able to win 4 or 5 games in a row, but then suddenly he became a zero producer and the team’s results became very poor by finishing our season at the last place of Central Division. This season our team started with the same poor records; players complaining ; goalies losing lots of pucks; forwards are not capable to put enough goals; defensemen are not helping as in defense as well as in offense. I just do not believe that we are such a bad highly paid professional team, which lost any wills on winning games. I completely understand the coach frustration, who wants badly to win every game, but, unfortunately, is not capable to do anything for the team’s improvement and team is continuing to lose games more and more. Fans are very upset too. IMO that team does not have any minimal angry mode to win some games. Even with a low IQ teams are capable to win depending on their real will to win. And I completely agree with you regarding an example of Arizona team.
You nailed the current Wild in 11 words. Kudos to you!
Hey Chuck, it isn't Christmas yet. Seriously, there are so many flaws in the Wild's game and you yourself wanted to have the play book to be burned. From where you get the 5? Defense leaks, D-men are the best scorers, forwards with the most ice-time don't have the motivation nor the legs to play hard, #1 goalie has been letting in softies like usual, PP sucks, #1 center is injured and/or out of shape... this is the big picture. Occasionally they get something right but if you can't play hard for 60 mins. from the whistle I can't fathom how they could play 300 mins. in a way that gets wins. Sure there is this thing called dumb luck.
Sounds like a description of an AHL/ECHL team to me.
Excuse checklist 1. It's only (x) games let's not panic. Check 2. We need dirty goals. Check 3. We're just squeezing our sticks to tight. 4. We need to learn to play hard for all three periods, 60 minutes. 5. We're beating ourselves. 6. Trying to find chemistry on our forward lines. 7. We need to be hard to play against. (Time to goon it up) 8. Proverbial players only meeting (where we take look at ourselves in a mirror). 9. Coach has lost the room. 10. Our division toughest in the league. Five to go.
Granlund was able to carry the puck over the blue line after the drop pass. That was one of the few things he was really good at, and Suter is no Granlund. They should change that drop pass thing, because they don't have the skills for that play. The same problem makes the Wild predictable. We have to play the way we play, as there is so little skill and speed on the team, and we don't have enough players with hockey IQ, to make unpredictable individual decisions.
I loathe that $hitty drop back pass to enter the zone. So damn predictable. We dump and chase with no hope to get to the puck first (due to lack of speed and desire). I agree. Whatever attempt at a 'play book' they employ, ash can it. None of it works. They would be better off winging it at this point. This group of players is just NOT a viable NHL mix. Whomever is responsible for this tire fire (that hasn't already been let go or can be, since the owner is here to stay), needs to be shown the door before Monday. Every game is an abominaton to hockey at this point - in all facets. Purge is necessary. They need a full body cleanse, so that they can flush the excrement from the franchise and start over.
Well seems we have now also checked off No. 8, player meeting, while Parise and Zucker are promoting No. 9, throwing their coach under the bus. You can check off No. 5 too, as players contemplate the weird situation where the they give up goals in bunches.
Nope. No signs yet that Point will sign with the Lightning, however, from what I have been reading the Bolts are confident they can get something done before training camp starts.
A few links:
One very good thing in the Bolts' favor is that Points seems to WANT to stay in Tampa Bay.
And why wouldn't he? Not only is it the organization that gave him his chance to be a star player, but it is a wining organization that, despite recent setbacks, still is on track to be a legit Stanley Cup contender for a few years to come.
From what I understand, the locker room is pretty tight knit as well and players all over the league, both current and retired, can probably attest to how important that is not only for a winning culture, but for how much fun a player has "coming to work everyday".
Montreal supposedly made a nice offer to his agent...it was turned down....and Point even seems to understand the situation with the Bolts' cap situation, though he obviously wants to maximize his own earning potential...and rightly so.
Probably why things have taken as long as they have been.
Some things I've seen talked about were bridge deals. A lesser amount than he would like, for a shorter term, to then, afterwards, cash in on a big max term, max dollar contract.
3, 4, or 5 year bridge deals are being talked about. And with Point being only 23, it means that even after a 5 year bridge deal, he would still be in his prime at 28 to sign a big deal either with the Lightning or somewhere else.
And is it a coincidence that the time frame for such a bridge deal goes right with when contracts such as Alex Killorn, Ondrej Palat, or even Tyler Johnson expire (each of those players are making anywhere from 4.5M to 5.2M each)? Hmmmm…….
Will post things regarding Brayden Point on this thread as they become available.
Other posters, are of course, more than welcome to add stuff as they hear them (links would be nice) or simply comment on the Point negotiations, how long a contract he ultimately gets and whether he stays on after a bridge deal (if that is the case).
From the Washington Post
Looks like those saying the Arizona Coyotes will be moving elsewhere are gonna have to wait a bit longer.
New majority owner Alex Meruelo, known for turning around failed businesses, said upon buying the team that he fully intends on keeping the team in Arizona and making it "a viable business".
Great news for Yotes fans (the few I've met really are hardcore, believe it or not) and if this works out, he might be known as the "Jeff Vinik of the Southwest".
Jeff Vinik, of course, is the Lightning owner, who, since taking over the team, has put lots of hard work, hired excellent hockey people, and has turned the Lightning from NHL joke, to perennial contender.
May help Mr. Meruelo's efforts that his Yotes will be moving to the Central division in 2021 where he will be with teams and fanbases from Minnesota, St. Louis, etc...…. not only are the fanbases in the Central seemingly more rabid than those in the Pacific (taking nothing away from the Western Canadian team fanbases), but many retirees come from some of those Central division cities so even as the Yotes look to garner their own solid fanbase, they at least will more easily fill the building as Central division teams make their way to play the Coyotes with more regularity.
I'm actually glad to hear this coming from the new owner as I honestly hate to see cities and areas lose pro teams.
Sincerely hope he can put his past successes at turning around floundering businesses to work here and that he is successful.
Hey, people said Florida was not a viable hockey market, and for awhile, that looked like the case...till Jeff Vinik came in (and pretty much had the same type of attitude towards turning things around that Alex Meruelo seems to have) and MADE it a viable hockey market.
Much success to his efforts....and even now, he has a not-so-bad collection of players to work with.
ruxpin posted a post in a topic,It's possible. But I think right now your biggest issue is timing. The Wild fired Fenton at a time is year where the replacement pool is such that if the candidate were any good, he'd already be working.
Leipold should get a lot of "credit" for badly bungling this situation (and it's on him if what you describe is accurate, and I think it is up an extent). His statements indicate this started at exit interviews.
First of all, if you did any credible due diligence, you knew this before. But make a decision when you did realize it. You don't go to the end of July, in hockey's no man's land (we'll call it "Miami," for short) and then make this move.
Leipold is nearly single-handedly destroying his own franchise.
rottenrefs posted a post in a topic,To answer your question, what makes a good NHL GM?
You noted player personnel wins and losses... But didn't cover anything else. Understandably, I get it, but IMO there's a ton more behind being a good GM.
Looking at it from a fan perspective player personnel is about the only thing one could care about. But from an operations standpoint, or from an owners standpoint, generating $$ is all they ever put much emphasis on. Business, or rather being a successful business equals follow the money.
Something I brought up several years ago was the Wild, under Doug Risenbrough, were an economically successful team. The team never spent to the Cap but they had sellout after sellout. Contrary to some the previous ownership claimed they were losing money. Where have we heard that with the Minnesota North Stars? Hence, they left for Dallas and won a Stanley Cup, 2 Conference Titles, 2 Presidents Trophies and 8 Division Titles... They're doing well generating revenue. They were bought for $84 million in 1995 and are now valued at $525 million. The Dallas Stars are a prime example of spending more (wisely) can create residual earnings. Which is something the Minnesota North Stars never figured out.
Insert the Minnesota Wild. So under Robert Naegele, Jr., and GM Doug Risenbrough, as mentioned they ran a tight ship on spending. Wild fans here viewed them as cheap. The results as some pride themselves as describing, they're a successful team because they've had so many sellouts in a less than desirable "Hockey Market" because everyone here keeps reminding everyone (nationally) that Minnesota isn't a very good hockey market. (That's something I totally disagree with.) Minnesota probably has more hockey pucks and hockey arena's per capita than any other state or Canadian Providence... To match it's 'Land of 10,000 Lakes' boast.
Granted, it's a bit off-topic talking about Minnesota's hockey market, but in the grand scheme of things no one can match Minnesota's superior high school hockey programs or the number of successful college hockey programs... Fans following them could have gone to more North Stars games, or more Wild games... But why if neither of those teams have anything to show for their efforts except being on the losing end of highlight reels (nationwide)?
Okay, back on topic now that I've eliminated any just cause that Minnesota can't be a major hockey market.
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ruxpin posted a post in a topic,The more I'm thinking about this the more I'm coming to the conclusion it's not simply the coach but the result of the coach trying to compensate for the goaltending -- which is ultimately on Hextall.
The centers ARE a mess. And so is Ghost. Why? Because the centers are not staying low in the offensive zone and--Patrick and Coots in particular--not mucking it up in the slot to cheat back to hedge against being caught.
Ghost is doing less going low or pinching much for the same reason. It's possible they're doing this on their own. Whether deliberate or not, it's a natural response to the knowledge that any mistake, any odd man or often even man rush the other way will end up past the incompetent sieves in our net.
It's just as likely that this is per coach directive much for the same reason.
The question remains--bluntly--how does a competent GM look at his goaltending this past summer and not move to fix this while leaving $10M in cap space on the table?
How does that same competent GM go through the summer knowing he doesn't have a 3C and not move to correct that in any sober way? Again, with the $10M sitting there.
I know he doesn't want a contract that blocks kids and doesn't want to move said kids for it, but that effectively and explicitly tosses this season away.
Meanwhile, the tickets are still full price.
You see the results in the stands during the game. The last game, the stands had all the energy of a wake.
There was apparently zero thought of putting out a quality product this season. And there's no good reason for it.
I do like what Hextall has done with draft picks. But it sucks that the most exciting time of year is the lead up to the draft. Only to keep saying, "boy, in five years!"
I've been uncharacteristically calling for patience the last couple of years. Those who have been around for awhile--especially those from the silly.com days--know how out of character that really it. But the patience has waned. At this point, supplement through trade. Move out "leadership" that isn't leading.
Do SOMETHING other than punish kids you yourself have damaged only to bring up other soon to be damaged kids. Wake the hell up and get the lumina out of neutral and go get us some damn halibut!
Gary Bettman who is the commissioner of the National Hockey League (NHL) was brought in 30 years ago with one agenda, and that was to grow the game of hockey in the USA. In Canada the game of hockey is like a religion, with winters lasting 6 months all there is, is hockey. Fans are passionate and it's the number one sport. Football and baseball come second and third. Unfortunately for fans in Canada, no Canadian NHL team has won the Stanley Cup for 25 years since the Montreal Canadians have won.
This thesis will explain why no Canadian team will win the Stanley Cup until at least 2050.
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