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    • Brayden Point Watch
      Nope. No signs yet that Point will sign with the Lightning, however, from what I have been reading the Bolts are confident they can get something done before training camp starts.

      A few links:
      One very good thing in the Bolts' favor is that Points seems to WANT to stay in Tampa Bay. 
      And why wouldn't he? Not only is it the organization that gave him his chance to be a star player, but it is a wining organization that, despite recent setbacks, still is on track to be a legit Stanley Cup contender for a few years to come.

      From what I understand, the locker room is pretty tight knit as well and players all over the league, both current and retired, can probably attest to how important that is not only for a winning culture, but for how much fun a player has "coming to work everyday".

      Montreal supposedly made a nice offer to his agent...it was turned down....and Point even seems to understand the situation with the Bolts' cap situation, though he obviously wants to maximize his own earning potential...and rightly so.
      Probably why things have taken as long as they have been.

      Some things I've seen talked about were bridge deals. A lesser amount than he would like, for a shorter term, to then, afterwards, cash in on a big max term, max dollar contract.
      3, 4, or 5 year bridge deals are being talked about. And with Point being only 23, it means that even after a 5 year bridge deal, he would still be in his prime at 28 to sign a big deal either with the Lightning or somewhere else.

      And is it a coincidence that the time frame for such a bridge deal goes right with when contracts such as Alex Killorn, Ondrej Palat, or even Tyler Johnson expire (each of those players are making anywhere from 4.5M to 5.2M each)? Hmmmm…….

      Will post things regarding Brayden Point on this thread as they become available.
      Other posters, are of course, more than welcome to add stuff as they hear them (links would be nice) or simply comment on the Point negotiations, how long a contract he ultimately gets and whether he stays on after a bridge deal (if that is the case).
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    • Coyotes New Owner: "We Are Staying in the Desert"
      From MSN
      From the Washington Post

      Looks like those saying the Arizona Coyotes will be moving elsewhere are gonna have to wait a bit longer.
      New majority owner Alex Meruelo, known for turning around failed businesses, said upon buying the team that he fully intends on keeping the team in Arizona and making it "a viable business".

      Great news for Yotes fans (the few I've met really are hardcore, believe it or not) and if this works out, he might be known as the "Jeff Vinik of the Southwest".
      Jeff Vinik, of course, is the Lightning owner, who, since taking over the team, has put lots of hard work, hired excellent hockey people, and has turned the Lightning from NHL joke, to perennial contender.

      May help Mr. Meruelo's efforts that his Yotes will be moving to the Central division in 2021 where he will be with teams and fanbases from Minnesota, St. Louis, etc...…. not only are the fanbases in the Central seemingly more rabid than those in the Pacific (taking nothing away from the Western Canadian team fanbases), but many retirees come from some of those Central division cities so even as the Yotes look to garner their own solid fanbase, they at least will more easily fill the building as Central division teams make their way to play the Coyotes with more regularity.
      I'm actually glad to hear this coming from the new owner as I honestly hate to see cities and areas lose pro teams.
      Sincerely hope he can put his past successes at turning around floundering businesses to work here and that he is successful.

      Hey, people said Florida was not a viable hockey market, and for awhile, that looked like the case...till Jeff Vinik came in (and pretty much had the same type of attitude towards turning things around that Alex Meruelo seems to have) and MADE it a viable hockey market.

      Much success to his efforts....and even now, he has a not-so-bad collection of players to work with.
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    • Post in Paul Fenton has been fired as GM after just one season.
      It's possible. But I think right now your biggest issue is timing. The Wild fired Fenton at a time is year where the replacement pool is such that if the candidate were any good, he'd already be working. 
      Leipold should get a lot of "credit" for badly bungling this situation (and it's on him if what you describe is accurate, and I think it is up an extent).  His statements indicate this started at exit interviews. 
      First of all, if you did any credible due diligence, you knew this before. But make a decision when you did realize it.  You don't go to the end of July, in hockey's no man's land (we'll call it "Miami," for short) and then make this move. 
      Leipold is nearly single-handedly destroying his own franchise. 
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    • To answer your question, what makes a good NHL GM?
      You noted player personnel wins and losses... But didn't cover anything else. Understandably, I get it, but IMO there's a ton more behind being a good GM.
      Looking at it from a fan perspective player personnel is about the only thing one could care about. But from an operations standpoint, or from an owners standpoint, generating $$ is all they ever put much emphasis on. Business, or rather being a successful business equals follow the money.
      Something I brought up several years ago was the Wild, under Doug Risenbrough, were an economically successful team. The team never spent to the Cap but they had sellout after sellout. Contrary to some the previous ownership claimed they were losing money. Where have we heard that with the Minnesota North Stars? Hence, they left for Dallas and won a Stanley Cup, 2 Conference Titles, 2 Presidents Trophies and 8 Division Titles... They're doing well generating revenue. They were bought for $84 million in 1995 and are now valued at $525 million. The Dallas Stars are a prime example of spending more (wisely) can create residual earnings. Which is something the Minnesota North Stars never figured out.
      Insert the Minnesota Wild. So under Robert Naegele, Jr., and GM Doug Risenbrough, as mentioned they ran a tight ship on spending. Wild fans here viewed them as cheap. The results as some pride themselves as describing, they're a successful team because they've had so many sellouts in a less than desirable "Hockey Market" because everyone here keeps reminding everyone (nationally) that Minnesota isn't a very good hockey market. (That's something I totally disagree with.) Minnesota probably has more hockey pucks and hockey arena's per capita than any other state or Canadian Providence... To match it's 'Land of 10,000 Lakes' boast.
      Granted, it's a bit off-topic talking about Minnesota's hockey market, but in the grand scheme of things no one can match Minnesota's superior high school hockey programs or the number of successful college hockey programs... Fans following them could have gone to more North Stars games, or more Wild games... But why if neither of those teams have anything to show for their efforts except being on the losing end of highlight reels (nationwide)?
      Okay, back on topic now that I've eliminated any just cause that Minnesota can't be a major hockey market.
      Read more ... https://www.hockeyforums.net/topic/71822-what-makes-a-good-nhl-gm/?do=findComment&comment=390931

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    • The more I'm thinking about this the more I'm coming to the conclusion it's not simply the coach but the result of the coach trying to compensate for the goaltending -- which is ultimately on Hextall. 
      The centers ARE a mess. And so is Ghost. Why? Because the centers are not staying low in the offensive zone and--Patrick and Coots in particular--not mucking it up in the slot to cheat back to hedge against being caught. 
      Ghost is doing less going low or pinching much for the same reason.  It's possible they're doing this on their own. Whether deliberate or not, it's a natural response to the knowledge that any mistake, any odd man or often even man rush the other way will end up past the incompetent sieves in our net. 
      It's just as likely that this is per coach directive much for the same reason. 
      The question remains--bluntly--how does a competent GM look at his goaltending this past summer and not move to fix this while leaving $10M in cap space on the table? 
      How does that same competent GM go through the summer knowing he doesn't have a 3C  and not move to correct that in any sober way? Again, with the $10M sitting there. 
      I know he doesn't want a contract that blocks kids and doesn't want to move said kids for it, but that effectively and explicitly tosses this season away. 
      Meanwhile, the tickets are still full price. 
      You see the results in the stands during the game. The last game, the stands had all the energy of a wake.  
      There was apparently zero thought of putting out a quality product this season. And there's no good reason for it. 
      I do like what Hextall has done with draft picks.  But it sucks that the most exciting time of year is the lead up to the draft.  Only to keep saying, "boy, in five years!" 
      I've been uncharacteristically calling for patience the last couple of years. Those who have been around for awhile--especially those from the silly.com days--know how out of character that really it.  But the patience has waned.   At this point, supplement through trade. Move out "leadership" that isn't leading. 
      Do SOMETHING other than punish kids you yourself have damaged only to bring up other soon to be damaged kids.  Wake the hell up and get the lumina out of neutral and go get us some damn halibut! 
      We're starving! 
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    • Why no Canadian NHL team will win the cup
      Gary Bettman who is the commissioner of the National Hockey League (NHL) was brought in 30 years ago with one agenda, and that was to grow the game of hockey in the USA.  In Canada the game of hockey is like a religion, with winters lasting 6 months all there is, is hockey.  Fans are passionate and it's the number one sport.  Football and baseball come second and third.  Unfortunately for fans in Canada, no Canadian NHL team has won the Stanley Cup for 25 years since the Montreal Canadians have won.


      This thesis will explain why no Canadian team will win the Stanley Cup until at least 2050.

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  2. I scour eliteprospects daily, sometimes a couple of times a day, looking for signings of players who I know (I unashamedly collect Hockey cards and move them to the proper organization. Nerd, I know dont care, Always have, always will). Anyway-this today: TJ HENSICK TOLEDO WALLEYE ONE YEAR CONTRACT Hensick had a monster career a decade plus ago with Michigan, went right to the NHL with the Avalanche, couple of seasons as a 4th liner, he got derailed, traded to St. Louis and hasn't sniffed NHL action since Obama's first term. Since then, he has appeared with Charlotte, Peoria, Hamilton, Hartford, Utica and Ontario all of the AHL, having a nice career a step below the NHL. Last year he couldn't sniff an AHL deal, he signed with Toledo of the ECHL for 475 bucks a week scored like a beast and was loaned to San Jose Barracuda for the tail end of the AHL season where he scored at nearly a point a game before being released at seasons end. Crash Durham has nothing on this guy. He obviously held out hope that the very solid season split between the ECHL and the AHL would convince an AHL team to sign him, AHL money is not NHL money but a vet like he or Tangradi or TJ Brennan can make a comfortable living in the A, instead no deal materialized and again he is going to play for the Walleye this year instead, hoping someone loses a scorer to either injury or the NHL and he gets a call up to the next rung and can take another bite out of the apple. It helps that he is from Howell Michigan, just this side of Detroit less than an hour from Toledo. His hopes for an NHL career long over, he is hanging on by his fingernails to a pro career, at least able to play in front of friends and family in the shadow of his glory days with Michigan. I never begrudge a guy like this taking a shot with the KHL or the Swiss league or any of the top Euro leagues as they pay better than the Ahl and a TON better than the ECHL with the added advantage of seeing the world. I also get it that some players simply dont want to wander that far from home either. But aproaching middle age playing for peanuts not ready to hang them up, slipping down the rungs, it always feels sad to me. The human side of the game gets lost a lot as we discuss who will be the captain or Marner holding out, I root for guys like Hensick and hope he manages another payday or two from the A. The prototype of this player IMHO was Mike Keane, a nasty pest of a player, a yapper for the 'Lanche in their glory days (he was traded from Montreal with some guy named Patrick Roy) who when he could no longer play in the NHL at the age of 38 with 1100 plus NHL games under his belt and cups won with Montreal, Dallas and Colorado, when he could have ridden off into the sunset and the golf course instead chose to play five more years in the AHL as the captain of the Manitoba Moose instead. By that point he knew his NHL career was a memory but he hung around as a 3rd liner, still yapping, occasionally getting into fights even with kids half his age clearly for love of the game. I hated Keane (as any good Wings fan of the era would) for his chirping in the press and his rugged heavy game, unlike Lemieux he backed up his words with fists to any taker any time although he didn't have to very often, the sucker could fight. By his fifth season in the AHL for the love of the game, I actually respected and even admired him for what he was doing. So there. TJ Hensick. For love of the game. Hope he has a monster first half and gets called up to the Griffins or Monsters or Marlies and wins a Calder Cup. For love of the game.
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  4. @Gnarkill I agree 100% with your thinking. The big big problem with the Wild is they have an owner who is stomping around like Veruca Salt say “I want to win NOW!”
  5. Question...:??.. Is 10 mil per to much.??? He had a very poor year last year,turn over machine... Trade him get what you can ...
  6. I agree, for GMs it’s vitally important. But it’s not for me. I have zero control over it. So if Provy really wants to play for $58M instead of $64M, he will. If not, he’ll hold out until he gets what he wants. To @ruxpin‘s point, it does feel like a giant middle finger from the PA to the NHL saying, “sure, you can keep the same rules for RFAs if you want, but this is what it’s gonna look like... still sure that’s what you want?”
  7. Maybe the GM should have looked to the future a bit before overpaying a mediocre free agent and giving him full term....giving all the up and coming homegrown talent reason to be greedy. I know I've beaten that horse, but if Hayes is work 7X7 then what IS Provorov worth? Or Sanheim? Or Konecny? Or Farabee or Frost? Etc.
  8. I like JEE's play without the puck. Hope the game slows down a bit for him when he has the puck on his stick.
  9. Wild sign Eriksson-Ek Not that this is a big deal or anything, but...two-years, $2,975,000 million contract ($1,450,000 in 2019-20 and $1,525,000 in 2020-21)
  10. But see that's the problem in the salary cap era you have to or otherwise in the long run some good talent is headed out the door. In the 90's days sure who gives a f**k. But the while point of drafting all the good kids is so you can hold onto more than 3 or 4. Not caring now is disaster for later.
  11. I like this hire better than the other names that were floating around out there.. hopefully he can convey that message and if certain players don't listen they're shipped out or benched no matter what their price tag is. The locker room has needed someone to come in and clear out the cancerous players for a long while now and it needs to happen no matter if it sets the team back a few years or not. I'd rather be patient and see a proper rebuild that takes a handful of years than sit through more of this mediocre crap with tweaks and wishful thinking. This team needs to stop the "win now" mentality that isn't working and start building for the future a few years down the road with the hopes Kaprizov will come over and be one of those young pieces to build around. I have no problem watching a basement dwelling team for a couple years if there is a clear path they are taking to clear the books and improve in the long run.
  12. No. Not putting the sole reason aside and engage in "sky is falling" and goofy suggestions about trading him. It's like, "putting aside the fact she's in 30 feet of water, a strong current, and can't swim, why do you think she's struggling to survive?" There are a bunch of teams in the same boat. Once the pieces start to fall, they'll fall. That's all there is to see here. He is going to be signed. There's no reason, even on a slow summer day, to entertain the rest of that. One thing I haven't seen anyone comment on is whether this is all being directed by the NHLPA. It seems too coincidental that it's so many top level players in similar situations and the CBA is around the corner.
  13. My favorite quote from Russo's article was: "This is why Guerin has said one of his first missions will be to talk in that locker room and do his best to convey to the players that it’s critical they all pull on the same rope, that they put the team in front of himself. " I can't wait to see how that plays out...
  14. [Hidden Content] A Sportsnet article for those who missed it...
  15. I mean, in the end, I don’t care much about salaries. I realize it’s an important variable for GMs, but I’m not that. For me, it’s more about does Provorov prefer to play hockey for, say, $58M or NOT play hockey and hope for more money? If he’d prefer to hold out, suit yourself. I can’t begrudge a player for doing what he thinks is right for him. I just want to watch the Flyers, with or without him. Sanheim/Niskanen Ghost/Braun Hagg/Myers Morin Friedman
  16. Not saying dump Morin right now...BUT if he looks like he might not be in the future plans after an extended long training camp look....how about Morin for Josh Ho-Sang straight up? Both players have warts.. but the talent is there with Josh..if he gets his head on straight...which happens when your back is to the wall in what could be his last chance to secure a regular roster spot.
  17. This. Yeah, I'm really not advocating getting rid of Morin. Just that he will likely have limited role because of the vets and because by the time the vets leave he will have people behind him ready and younger. It's an unfortunate situation for him to be in and the expansion draft only complicates matters (not specifically for him, but just adds another variable). Kind of on that subject, do you know anything about York? He wasn't someone I paid a lot of attention to pre-draft. But how many years out do you figure? As a first round pick, you have to figure the Flyers make every effort to get him to the NHL. The variable is the time frame. You figure after three years (including this upcoming season)? Or longer?
  18. For what it's worth I copied from Bill M. article on Ivan... Writing in regard to Columbus Blue Jackets unsigned restricted free agent defenseman Zach Werenski, Columbus Dispatch beat writer Brian Hedger cited a source saying that agent Mark Gandler's asking price on a long-term deal for Flyers restricted free agent defenseman Ivan Provorov was in the $10 million range. While that may have been an initial ask, it is so absurdly high as to be a negotiating non-starter. The ballpark AAV figure on a long-term deal more commonly associated with the Provorov side has been closer to the $8 million range. That, too, is high but is more workable. ...no way he is getting 10 mill on his 2nd contract...I can see 8 mill which I what I think i said i was cool with for 8 years. It would like it less but if anyone is going to get a slight overpay it should be your potential #1 defenseman. [Hidden Content] Thoughts and concerns welcome...
  19. His salary is likely all the protection he needs. And that's not to say I think he's overpaid.
  20. Not interested in this so much. Hoffman is only signed through this year and is then likely to get the kind of raise we can't afford. If I'm Fletcher, I'm trying to send JVR & Hagg or a pick. Moreover, we're going to need Ghost until the end of his contract And if I did that it would be 50% for the cap relief I'd get at the end of the year. But this team hasn't shown us that they're in the market for a high stakes rental like Hoffman, so mostly, I'd just leave this alone if it came my way.
  21. Keep in mind, they're almost definitely going to be losing either Ghost, Sanheim or Myers in the expansion draft... but even if that weren't the case, I absolutely see Morin fitting long term. Him essentially losing two years is what made bringing in the likes of Braun make sense at all. But Niskanen and Braun aren't going to be here in two years. There isn't a lot of room right now, but there almost certainly will be quite soon as they're potentially going from 8 Secured D-men to 5 overnight in two years. At that point, it could very a very good thing to have Morin around and ready to roll. It's just a matter of what to do with him until then. I'm not sure I would have bothered with Braun, but if I were foisted into this situation as GM, I guess I'd likely do a lot of platooning game to game, to get a better idea of where I was at with my D-men and ultimately try to hang on to Hagg and Morin. It's bet hedging to have gotten Niskanen and Braun and right now it's blocking younger guys and making it slightly more difficult to keep those younger guys around until you absolutely need them in two years.
  22. The part of his game that really surprised me was zone exits. he utilized his size presence to shut down a play and either carry or outlet very smart exits. Not dramatic thrilling play making passes, but smart strong plays that lead to quality possessions. Given the talent he'd now be out-letting to, I'm excited by this.
  23. Morin's hockey sense and overall ability are very very strong. I (as were many) was a bit astounded when Hakstol chose to go with Haag, thus forcing Hextall to send Morin back to LhV yet another one of the signs Hextall chose to ignore. Hagg wasn't bad at all, but he's very good at being good. Morin has a lot more potential. Hakstol saw Hagg as steady and more reliable and saw Morin as having a few more kinks to work out... but what Hakstol failed to value was that Morin's "kinks" were in the name of doing a lot more out there. It was just preseason and he was likely trying a lot harder than most vets, but as far as I was concerned in terms of vision and presence, Morin already looked like the #2 or #3 D man on this team that fall--which is I know, not saying much at the time, but still... For the time it was in the organization's progression, it was a big mistake and I whined about it then, so I'll whine about it now. Of course injuries put all of this at least a little bit into question. He lost almost two full key years in an extremely frustrating way, as much as it pains me to say it, I have to be hesitant in my enthusiasm for the player. It's just very difficult to tell in a likewise so we'll have to see how long it takes him to regain his confidence and if his body can keep itself healthy. WIth any luck at all, he can put those things behind him and step into the role he was meant to play as a big time impact player on this team going forward.
  24. I'm cautiously optimistic for Guerin...but the last time the Wild hired someone from the Pittsburgh organization it was Mike Yeo...
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