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After he got traded there were stories about Provorov's "blame others" thing, how it was out of control and he was genuinely disliked around the room. I can understand some of Provorov's frustration with the Flyers; the team was a hot mess for much of his time in the O&B. But as a teammate (if the stories are true) he can be quite an a-hole.

If I were a NHL manager/coach I'd hire a Sumo Wrestler and just plug him into the net. He could just go to sleep. No more goals against.

Not sure if anyone saw Jonathan Bailey's article, but he suggested trading Konecny and Ristolainen to Anaheim for a package that includes Zegras. He doesn't mention who else should be in the package with Zegras, but he suggested that should be where the Flyers start.

The 2nd round? Maybe keep some of them and see what happens.

this would also explain Jonesy's comment: 'We need to find OUR Brayden Point in the second round" I think that the Michkov pick definitely signals a paradigm shift..the "safe" pick would have been Ryan Leonard....and most pundits had us picking him as they had Matvei off the board already...

Definitely would have ruined Rantanen. I'm still not convinced that they know how to develop talent. It's evident down in Lehigh Valley they certainly don't.

Especially when consider 2016 basically 3 picks missed 1st Rubustov 2nd Pascal Laberge 2nd Cater Hart The year before 2nd pick Nicholas Aube-Kubel? 2nd Anthony Stolarz bloomed later for the Ducks gave up on him after just 19 games at 25 (I know we have hindsight) but you give his 27 all the money for 3 effin games. Bunch of buffoons.

Yes, the point being that when you look back at a draft, you see things differently than when looking forward to a draft. Flyers probably would have screwed up Rantanen as well.

2016 and 2018 are just terrible drafts. https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2016e.html - six first round players have played less than a season - six more have played less than two https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2018e.html - three first rounders haven't even played in the league - six more (including the 9 overall) have played less than a full season's worth of games - six more two seasons or less Terrible drafts happen. It's why picking in the bottom half of the draft isn't a notably effective way to improve a team's overall talent. The Patrick situation no one saw coming. Just didn't. Nothing on his record pointed to head problems. It sucks. Doesn't mean the team "failed" or "was wrong" when they did it. O'Brien they at least get a 2nd back for this year.

Provorov was rated ahead of Rantanen his draft year. Provorov was the right pick at the time. The problem with Provorov was development (there's that d word again). Hakstol, Gordon, Vigneault and Yeo never bothered correcting the flaws in his game. They just continually threw him out on the ice, regardless. There was a different set of rules for Ivan when compared to everyone else. By the time Tortorella and Shaw came to town, it was too late. Provorov was basically the defenseman he is and he wasn't changing his game for anyone, regardless. This franchise ruined what should have EASILY been a number one defensemen for the club. I'm not saying Provorov isn't blameless (his refusal to change his game and to blame others for his shortcomings), but he was a product of his development. Another player the Flyers managed to ruin. That one really hurt.

What no love for the 2nd best 6th round pick ever? Jason Kelce?

He said the scouts wanted Makar but Hextall overruled that, who knows if that’s true or not. Clarke couldn’t even remember Girouxs name at the draft and it was one of his only good picks he ever made.

absolutely...in 1990 the Flames drafted Trevor Kidd when Martin Brodeur was dangling in front of them...and how many teams passed on Tom Brady before the Patriots took him at 199... I guess it's the fact that in three consecutive years 2016,2017, and 2018 (pick19) they missed...and in 2018 I believe they traded up (but I am not certain) to #19 to draft O'Brien...that stings...

Yeah, but we'll always have the Cooperalls...

And they've won a post bellbottoms and platform shoes cup too.

Thanks. Ok so he would've earned $3mil in Russia next year. So Briere decides that means he's worth $3.25mil to the Flyers...not sure I follow the logic on that one but whatever. Ultimately it's not that big a deal. Briere was able to underpay Ersson so the Flyers now have cheap goaltending for the next 2 years. Good enough.

Of course, that’s how the main stream media verifies sources. I will stoop to that level to justify my argument.

I don't see "Trade 2nd rounder" anywhere on there

But yall gave them Andrew Raycroft and he won all those...oh wait...nevermind nothing to see here!!!

And they missed the playoffs that season, but haven't missed since and have a Cup Final appearance...

I honestly don't, didn't, and won't have K'Andre Miller on my "foundational" board. The problem this team has that is far more crippling than hindsight picks is moves like two roster players, 1st, 2 2nds, and a 7th for a bottom four defenceman then paid as a top paid long term. Stop doing those sorts of things and do more of 1st, 2 2nds, roster player and cap hit for a middle pair defenceman and then flip the roster player for another 1st. They obviously need to draft better, but hindsight is always 20/20 and often ignores that many other GMs also "made the wrong pick." I mean, Edmonton took Puljujarvi 4th.

There's the Kings push back I was expecting. -The Oilers were loose on coverage on several of those goals, though the Kempe goal where he batted the puck out of the air was just a great play on his part. -A couple of LA goals, including the Kopitar OT winner, looked a lot like set plays. Well done. -Nobody is perfect, and the defense will make mistakes, but Skinner didn't bail them out on any of their mistakes, while Talbot made a few saves on 5-alarm chances. -The Kings played their A-game, the Oilers played their C, and it still went to OT.

yup, Bruins could have had DeBrusk, Barzal AND Konecny in one draft...

They should've done that last summer when that was the offer for Laughton.

Yes, this team's ineffective first round drafting has been crippling. Brent Flahr and company need to produce some winners. @flyerdog pointed out the consecutive year disaster for the folks who should be foundational at this stage.