@ Murraycraven Life's not love and roses all the time, right? We'll have disagreements and arguments like brothers. I am not a sensitive person by nature. Which can be a positive and negative attribute. I do not take myself seriously ( only my work), however I assume others are the same. So sometimes I can get taken out of context, or sometimes I just rub someone the wrong way...such is life. Now back to hockey. I will never concede on carle. Certain players over the years I have disdain for...and he is one of them. Just flat out do not like his game, period. So I do not think he would have helped last year ( assuming no injuries). And I would never measure carle up against a weber type player either. Aziz mentioned weber in a retort, which I thought was slightly off base, because he compared weber and chara negative attributes against carle's, while leaving out their positive attributes to make his point. Generally, that's why I'm not a huge fan of statistics and do not get into debates over them. They can be skewed and slanted in any which way. I look at player, I watch his game, I don't care how many goals he scores how many assists he has, how many hits, fights etc... If I like how he plays, I like him. That's why I enjoy reading posts describing a players game that I haven't seen play ( a la junior players). I like the point of view. Regarding POV on carle...lets agree to disagree. @ jammer That's an optimistic view on Gus, and not far fetched. However, I fear injuries throughout his career may side track his game. Hopefully not, but I like his game (I'm not sure of all star level though).