Sorry, Jammer. I hate to post this, but; There is posturing then there is posturing. Donald Fehr is not one to mess with. He turned the baseball union into one that really scares the devil out of baseball owners. Look at baseball's collective agreement. The players got and will continue to get exactly what they wanted. If Fehr can hold the players together, Bettman needs to be careful, very careful! The owner's proposal is just probably a salvo shot across the unions bow to get things started, if not, the NHL owners are in for more than they are bargaining for!