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I have a Philly buddy who works for the Ducks / Prime Ticket, was just telling me people just don't realize that Bobby Ryan actually *never* wanted to come back & play for the Flyers. Despite being from the area apparently he had a pretty tough hockey dad & has bad memories growing up playing hockey. Said BR's kind of a weird guy, reclusive, lives in Montana.

Flyers fans to Bryzaster..."just...."

Sorry - posting from my phone, no idea why it came up 3 times. Won't let me delete, either - grr...

The other factor that hardly gets mentioned is how the Flyers management did an about face with regard to the mentoring process with new potential star players. 18 & 17's bad behavior bit Homer / Snider in the ass after they gave those kids the keys to the city. Think of all the injuries / surgeries Richards / Crater had - any chance it had to do w/ conditioning / lifestyle? Notice how Giroux then roomed with Briere his first few years on the team, Coots following suit. As much as I hate to admit it, it was the same wise thing the Pens / Mario did with Cindy coming up...

The other factor that hardly gets mentioned is how the Flyers management did an about face with regard to the mentoring process with new potential star players. 18 & 17's bad behavior bit Homer / Snider in the ass after they gave those kids the keys to the city. Think of all the injuries / surgeries Richards / Crater had - any chance it had to do w/ conditioning / lifestyle? Notice how Giroux then roomed with Briere his first few years on the team, Coots following suit. As much as I hate to admit it, it was the same wise thing the Pens / Mario did with Cindy coming up...

The other factor that hardly gets mentioned is how the Flyers management did an about face with regard to the mentoring process with new potential star players. 18 & 17's bad behavior bit Homer / Snider in the ass after they gave those kids the keys to the city. Think of all the injuries / surgeries Richards / Crater had - any chance it had to do w/ conditioning / lifestyle? Notice how Giroux then roomed with Briere his first few years on the team, Coots following suit. As much as I hate to admit it, it was the same wise thing the Pens / Mario did with Cindy coming up...

The fact of the matter is that, Richards & Carter are better suited to being role / support players in the NHL than #1/2 team leaders. You look at the production in paper (let alone the cap hits), its a total no brainer. Jake, Simmer, B Schenn, Coots, all under 23, too...

@Vanflyer - where'd you grow up in Bucks? I graduated from Council Rock. My parents moved us up from Northeast Philly when I was in 8th grade in '84, & I hated them for it a long time. Looking back, where would you rather raise your kids!!

@radoran - one thing I left out, Ryan = 6-2, 216, Read = 5-11 190 (not that it's a "BR *or* MR" debate at all). The LOD reference made me think of the size factor. G needs a banger on his line for sure. Ryan fits that to a T.

@radoran - Matt Read 2012 - 79GP 24G 23A 47P / 800K Bobby Ryan 2012 - 82GP 31G 26A 57P / 5.5M That's a pretty massive jump in pay for 10 more points. The consistency issue moving forward for Read that Idaho brings up is a very valid one though. Ryan *has* put up 4 straight 30-35 goal seasons on a waning Ducks team. That said, if you could add Ryan without giving away too much (hey, how bout a couple of those first rounders Homer's still hanging on to!!), he'd be a potential 40 goal scorer playing on G's wing. He's a hard nosed kid the fans would immediately go nuts over that could fill a power forward role should they let Harts go after this season. I bet Bob Murray wants a kings ransome for him though seeing how Homer swung for the fences all off season & whiffed.

@jammer2 - "gannable" = Gummy Alert? My radar just went off there... Thoughts-----??

Sorry, 4.5 is just completely insane for Jags at this point, as much as I enjoyed him on the team last season. He clearly wore down w/ regular groin injuries down the stretch & in no way was as effective in the playoffs. At most I would've said Ok to low 3's for him / 1 year deal all things considered. Clearly it's not even remotely aboot team loyalty to him for a second; all last year was about was getting his feet wet in the NHL again. He better have a Rolex overnighted to G - that's who he owes for that past-his-prime payday. A dude like Shane Doan is way more the type of veteran leader / mentor you want to plug in on the 2012-13 Flyers roster than a Jagr for the money or even a Parise for that matter.

@Polaris922 - didn't see you'd just posted that.

Vanucks land Garrison - 6 year, 27.6mm contract. Wow. That'd really suck for them if he turns out to be a flash in the pan. They really went all in. Maybe hope for the Carle contract - Garrison's averages out to 4.6 per.