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Everything posted by mojo1917
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@JR Ewing We live in an age of hyperbole. Everything is the greatest it's ever been...blah, blah, blah. Sometimes this is true. McDavid is so much better than the next closest guy. Sometimes the greatness is close but not greater than. Sometimes it's people trying to sell ad-space.
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That looked like a man taking the puck from a baby. holy ****.
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@radoran My memory of being on athletic teams is there were definitely hierarchies based on ability, seniority and forcefulness of personality. My study of leadership through various points of my career has reinforced those learnings. If the senior, best guys are behaving one way, the junior guys struggle to have their voices heard. Especially if those junior voices contradict the seniors. There are intrapersonal dynamics working in all group situations. Because Couturier wore a letter while Giroux was the captain doesn't automatically make him a complicit acolyte or willing participant of the "for who , for what?" mentality that creeped into the room and accelerated once Simmonds was traded. The culture of the organization was damaged by Scott, Camillo, Fletcher and the folks who tried to "modernize" the organization without at least honoring the past. Gritty, as much as I like him is symptom A of the mentality. The rot starts at the head or words to that effect. I think it's too simplistic of a point to say, yeah, Coots was there so he sucks just as much as Giroux, and he should have stopped whatever was going on.
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Listing every 4th rounder who has done anything in the league doesn't move the needle for me. It just doesn't How many 4th rounders % make the league? Hint it is more than 10% but less than 11%. https://dobberprospects.com/2020/05/16/nhl-draft-pick-probabilities/ Oh, past guys have traded more assets for guys drafted in the 4th round? So what. Those guys aren't making the decisions. Those old guys still dodder around on the club level and are given office space where they've worked for most of their lives? Again, So what. At the end of the day Danny is the guy making the decisions. The team is in a position to make the playoffs, the GM trades one of the top 2 defensemen on the team, and goes bargain shopping for a player to help with depth because in the 2 weeks before the TDL- 3 defensemen hit the IR. These decisions aren't made in a vacuum, they're made in the messy real world by humans, the decisions affect other humans and not bytes of information. Danny is sending a message with the Johnson deal. I don't think he is only sending a message to this room, he's sending it to other guys that the Flyers may target via trade or free agency. Still, people lose their goddammed minds - because, because there is an 11% chance that the asset used may become an NHL player in 5 years? wtf am I missing? There is an 89% chance that guy becomes Wade Allison instead of Kris Versteeg. And Wade Allison is one of the better examples for the 11% argument, he got a sniff at the NHL- do we want him taking a roster spot? Icing a defense of Andrae, Ginning Attard, Staal, York and Sanhiem for the remainder of the season has a better than 11% probability of alienating guys like Forester, Tippett, Farabee, Cates, Drysdale and Poehling. Guys that are pretty good and fit a timeline for Michkov's arrival.
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@GratefulFlyers What, I can't support a post of yours with different information?
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If the team falls out of a playoff spot, I'll be disappointed for the boys. They've been fun to watch most of the year. This stretch of games vs the best teams in the conference is highlighting/bolding/underlining the gap in talent. We all see it, because we see it, I don't expect a quiet offseason . Falling to 15-12 in draft position and some luck after that could get them into position to spend to get a player they like if he's available. Seems like they battled again, but came up a little short. It's a better result than most of the recent games v the Bruins.
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I can't get that tenner into the ignition chamber. It's been tried.
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@GratefulFlyers They didn't spend a prime asset on the player. They didn't trade Foerster for 20 games of Tanev . They did trade their defenseman with the best underlying metrics on the team for a pick while in a playoff position . That doesn't scream going for it to me @SCFlyguy. They're not rebuilding according to your blueprint, we'll all have to wait to see if they're successful.
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@CoachX Couple of things. Not pick #13 in the first round. One of 13 picks in this draft. They're not keeping him around for nostalgia, ffs, Laughton was the only player Fonzie deemed worthy of an offical leadership role in his first year as coach. There were terrible assholes on that team to negotiate around. Laughton did that. Also, let me remind everyone, Laughton has another year on his contract. There is no rush/pressure/reason to shop him. I've said in these very threads, next year is a different story. Hell, after the season is a different story. I don't see anything wrong with rewarding a guy for hard work or valuing a guy for the things he's done for the team during a transition period. Ymmv.
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You're right good scouting should find players with middle six and bottom pair ability. In Laughton's case the FO mentioned his intangibles being more valuable to the Flyers. I think, again, this non-move was more about the team culture. And it was determined Laughton was more valuble in the room than acquiring a 13th pick in this draft. Laughton was a first rounder. He's been leaned on very heavily by this management group, they've said as much. They may trade him once the season is over, but Danny said he felt they owed him an opportunity to finish out the year with the team that was in playoff position. I don't think teams were offering up 1st picks for him. Danny said he wasn't trading Laughton for fair value. Which is what you are saying you'd like to see done .
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They see it. They've said so. I think this rebuild is going to take some time. I think this because those guys have said it. The rebuild was never going to take one trade deadline. There are a bunch of keepers on this team. Guys got hurt at inopportune times. Dressing an 50% AHL defense after the TDL would be the way to **** the culture they're trying to build. People need to get the **** up off that Johnson deal. They have 11 picks in the draft. They put an asset to immediate use. Johnson has no future here. People are posting as if they think Briere and Jones are morons who like Johnson and that is who they're rebuilding around. That's the way these posts read. I can guarantee-damn-tee there aren't thinking like that. They threw a bone to an over performing roster. That's it.
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And that can still happen around the draft and free agency.
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In the case of Scott Laughton, here's another example of why the sports business sucks. That dude is very well thought of by everyone in the organization and most fans excluding our beloved @CoachX They leaned on him to try to pilot through the lazy Hasey locker room, is there a charity we need to have a player support? Get Laughts. He is respected and beloved by his teammates, admired by his employers. I understand why they set the asking price high. It's not like trading 2 heads of cattle for a horse. Plus he had term on his contract, I wouldn't trade a guy like that for a 2nd and a B prospect. This coming year at the deadline, if he and his expriring contract are not traded, that's malpractice.
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Has he played NHL minutes ? yes? Not a miss, compared to O'Brien... ****** home run!!!!
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@RonJeremy I didn't say he was trash. I said he's not the reason they're good. @radoran Had any of the POWs taken after O'Brien even made the AHL that would be more of a benefit to the organization. I don't understand the fixation with, "yeah but no one else was better" okay, Morin barely made the AHL, O'Brien was a non-factor- never playing a professional minute for the club. Same with Patrick. Dudes playing somewhere in the system is better than scratching guys off the 50 contract list with a DNP for life beside their name. That scenario happened for too many of the Flyers top picks, taken at various positions, top 5, top 10 , top 20. It's not soley why we're here, *gestures broadly * but it helped.
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that kid was a project, same with Morin. Missing on those guys certainly didn't help anything.
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