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1 hour ago, OccamsRazor said:

So another surgery...

 

 

 

...this kid is going to be all scar tissue by 25...

Well, at least there was no chance of his reduced skating ability leading to a potential reinjury of his shoulder.

After all, the important thing is making the playoffs this year.

14 minutes ago, CoachX said:

the only smart move the Flyers have made since 1975 was signing Jon Sim. He's the only player to overturn instant replay

Jon Sim sees the instant replay before the play happens.

12 minutes ago, CoachX said:

Seriously, the Flyers should have never traded for Lindros.....

There's actually a not bad argument to be made there...

15 minutes ago, JR Ewing said:

 

I agree with all of that, but for the proviso that you can cast a net wider than the return needing to match something close to the draft position.

Given that we only found out about Gauthier not wanting to be on the Flyers after the deal went down, we don't really have any perspective on how wide a net was cast.

I get the feeling that sending him to the Other Conference also played a role.

Drysdale has some obvious red flags. On the plus side, he appears to want to be here and seems liked in the room.

1 minute ago, flyercanuck said:

No, he was available at the draft instead of Gauthier. 

So, instead of the guy who said before the draft he wanted to come here, they should have drafted the big European defenceman.

And they were also gonna take the defenceman committed to a US College instead of the big Canadian center.

I like 20/20 hindsight teams. The Flyers have Robertson-Aho-Debrincat on their first line.

Gauthier screwed the team over. The Flyers got what they could out of it.

7 minutes ago, flyercanuck said:

 

Other than the one taken one pick after Fletcher drafted Gauthier.

Was he on offer?

19 minutes ago, JR Ewing said:

What surprised me was Briere, with a smaller team, gambling with an under-sized defenseman. He's not heavy and doesn't have the wingspan you'd like to see.

There is a "take what you can get" aspect to this trade.

It's not like Briere was shopping Gauthier by choice - he essentially had to move him.

I'd imagine another recent top-10 pick defenceman with size and wingspan wasn't necessarily available.

1 minute ago, flyerrod said:

Didn’t that bring Wayne Simmonds to the Flyers? If so then yes the Flyers did win the trades. I still hated to see Mike Richards go…….

The Crater trade brought Voracek (and the pick that became Couturier).

Wayne Simmonds is among my favorite Flyers ever.

I'd take two Cups instead in a heartbeat.

#winning

Why is this in the Flyers forum?

Because Carter signed four contracts in his career. They were offered by:

Bob Clarke

Paul Holmgren (twice)
Ron Hextall

He won two Cups - for Los Angeles.

The Flyers won the trades.

1 minute ago, flyercanuck said:

 

FIFY

Nah, they're happy being on LTIR in Arizona. Or Utah. Or wherever...

4 minutes ago, Howie58 said:

I am like McClean--I wouldn't do more than five years.

No one forces them to offer eight year deals. No one forced Homer to offer 12- and 10-year deals to Richards and Crater.

It's stupid GMs that make these stupid deals.

5 minutes ago, Howie58 said:

This is a collective bargaining issue worth revisiting.  

The players "gave" to get the length limited to eight years (again, look at the massive long term deals that were handed out before that).

What's their incentive to help the owners pay them less, again?

7 minutes ago, Howie58 said:

By the way, part of his rationale was that top free agents did not want to come to a team with aging, non-competitive, overpaid superstars. 

It's the top free agents that demand the eight year deals. They want to be aging, non-competitive, overpaid superstars...

This is a good sign for the Capitals.

3 hours ago, OccamsRazor said:

 

York was -3 as they lost 6-3.

50 minutes ago, JR Ewing said:

 

It's almost as if Buffalo's management isn't amazing at assessing talent.

 

Seven coaches and three GMs.

They really have to stop modelling themselves on the Flyers.

Seriously, though, the Pegulas are great at owning sports franchises.

12 minutes ago, Fuzz said:

According to Moneypuck, the Flyers have a 5.9% chance of making the playoffs.  Sounds a little low to me.

They need three teams ahead of them to lose in regulation.

Something like two weeks ago it was around 70%...

It wasn't that good then.

2 hours ago, Brewin Flames said:

The Sabres haven't made the playoffs since 2010-11.

Can't possibly be ownership.

Fire the coach. Fire the GM.

3 minutes ago, flyercanuck said:

But I doubt that was the plan.

And, to the overall point, that's the problem.

"The plan" changed several times throughout the season, morphing from "rebuild culture and establish accountability" and "don't fall in love" to "make the playoffs, anything can happen" and "this journeyman waiver wire pickup is essential to our team culture."

It was predictable to the extent that many predicted it that the style being played - while entertaining and winning in the regular season - was going to wear them out by the time they got to the playoffs, if they got there.

Now, having put a lot of stock into "making the playoffs" because #goodthing they face planted and are extremely likely to miss out entirely #badthing.

And I obviously have "concerns" about the protege of Bob Clarke's protege being "the guy" running the "rebuild" while his law partner tells his former radio media colleagues that the whole "rebuild" thing was a sham from the moment they said it.

It may all still work out.

No, really.

4 minutes ago, CoachX said:

i completely agree with this. and it does irritate me

 

I will hold out though til next season. Let's see what the rest of the off season will bring

I've been entertained. I'm not saying this hasn't been "fun to watch." I've been to games.

"Entertaining" and "fun to watch" don't necessarily equal "rebuilding a Cup winner".

We're going on 50 years here...

2 minutes ago, flyercanuck said:

The 12th pick could be a pretty decent player.

Maybe you should be thanking Briere for bringing in a washed up 35 year old to tank the season with a -10 in 16 stretch games?

Savvy mover, that one.

44 minutes ago, flyercanuck said:

 

Those aren't anywhere near the only guys who played in the NHL.  What I'm getting at is throwing away picks for washed up 35 year olds has never helped us win anything...so maybe stop doing it?

I haven't disagreed with the general theory, just noting the actual impact.

You're right, it's probably more like 10%

Briere also got a 5th back for brokering cap space.

Added Johnson as a salve to his locker room after he shipped out Walker for a first, replaced part of the cost for cap space.

All in all, I find it kinda hard to come down on him for it - in that context.

The context where picking in the middle of the first doesn't help a "rebuild" puts it in a different light, but they were already there.

Maybe Johnson's -10 helped them improve their position.

2 hours ago, flyercanuck said:

 

Looking at Phillys first round picks over the last 20 years, they haven't exactly set the world on fire. 

 

Other teams 4th rounders (or later) include Joe Pavelski, Ryan Callaghan, Dustin Byfuglian, Kris Versteeg (we traded a 1st and a 3rd for him) , MarkStreit, Keith Yandle (look at all these Flyers that we acquired years after they were drafted with low picks, genius) Darren Helm, Andrew MacDonald (look, yet another guy we gave up higher draft choices than where he was taken) Jamie Benn, Justin Braun (another!) Patrick Maroon (we threw him away....he's STILL playing and winning cups!) TJ Brodie, Jared Spurgeon, Cam Atkinson (well look at that) David Savard, Mattias Ekholm, Craig Smith, Mike Hoffman, Zack Hyman (who needs a 50 goal scorer),John Klingberg, Brendan Gallagher, Mark Stone, Johnny Gaudreau (coveted by many on this board, praying Fletcher would sign him, became a bum as soon as he got paid), Ondrej Palat, Devon Toews, Victor Arviddson, Kirill kaprizov, Jesper Bratt, Drake Batherson. And doesn't include several starting goalies (Shesterkin, Hellebyuk off the top of my head)

Yeah, you got 30 or so guys there.

Over the past 20 years (Pavelski, 2003) there have been ~600 4th round picks.

Your 5% chance here sounds a lot like "pick in the fourth round and anything can happen!"

Just think what could happen if they make the playoffs!

Win and you're in.

Anything is possible.

3 minutes ago, SaucyJack said:

Flyers defeat Washington in regulation (Tues) 

 

Canadiens defeat Detroit in regulation (Tues)

 

Islanders defeat Pittsburgh in regulation (Wed)

 

…then Flyers are IN

26 minutes ago, FD19372 said:

They were just a bad team

They never had to tank. They had more money than most.

They've never adapted to the league they insisted upon creating.

They keep giving out four year deals to players like Seeler and Deslauriers - at double previous rates - and committing themselves to Laughton and Sanheim - to remain a middling bubble playoff team.

Only this year, again, they're going in the right direction.

No, really.

Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

21 minutes ago, SCFlyguy said:

We had to destroy the season to save the season.