Polaris922

That's the thing though... It's about potential. The man has a documented 130+ IQ and now has brain damage. What if he'd played say... Six years in the NHL then got into coaching or marketing or became an agent? How much could he have made? Or even on a two way contract how much would he have made? Now add his damages which the Canadian cap DOES allow to go higher for life changing injuries according to some Canadian attorneys... Bertuzzi's worth doesn't matter. The aftermath of his actions does.

I'm the conductor!! Who's in the caboose? Giroux grabbed the caboose!

The truth is in the injuries and life impact they have. I've played and watched a long time too man, but assessment of talent remains opinion. And they sue for earnings POTENTIAL, which none of us can quantify by saying what he'd become. Some skaters are written off then bloom after everyone gives up on them. There's just no way if knowing what will be. If there were drafting would be much easier.

I'm sorry you feel that way, but it was no assumption. Your comments show a lack of empathy for the injuries involved, which display a lack of experience with them. There was no insult meant or stated in the use of the word. I am ignorant to the mechanics of a motorcycle or nuclear aircraft carriers. It's not an insult, I just don't know about how they work. As for documents the medical reports on Moore are available in google searches and the lawsuit itself. I read them when we went over this all the first time like many others here did. I was trying to avoid all this BS again but got drawn into it anyway.

Most 3rd and 4th liners sit around a million per year so that's what my post was based upon as minimums, sorry. Should've said bottom six averages. I agree the McDonalds rulings and such are a joke. But also think having a lifelong injury as a 25 year old or whatever he was at the time deserves more than that cap allows for. Again look at all he may very well miss out on. How much is being able to participate in activities with your children worth to you? And again... The hospital emergency room medical team, the hospital trauma team that did his follow ups, yes his own doctors, the medical review boards for BOTH NHL insurance companies... That's 5 different groups of professionals that agreed with the extent of his injuries. The argument that just his doctors reviewed him was actually soundly rebutted in several of the articles written on his lawsuit. Don't worry about Old School. He took my use of the word "ignorance" as it's often misconstrued to mean rude or stupid instead of just unaware as I'd intended. Let him be angry with me.

Someone having life changing injuries is an opinion? Have you ever known someone who can't do those things because of an injury or illness? I assure you it's not an opinion. If he truly has the issues the doctors (his and others) say he has, there is no opinion to it. My wife has these same health limitations. Has since she was 24. I see first hand the emotional and psychological toll such limitations take on a person. Especially raising children and not being able to participate in so many things. THAT is why I can say how it hampers a person without it being opinion. It's something you haven't had to experience. I get that. I hope you never do. But it doesn't minimize the impact on Moore's life that is the direct result of a criminal assault by Bertuzzi. You can lump the Simon and McSorley hits in there too. I'm all for it. Enough with the butthurt. I can't help it you were unaware of the true definition of a word and took it personally. But if every single comment you make is going to be aggressive, it only reflects poorly on you.

You can watch hockey 50 years it doesn't mean you can see into the future. You can't predict what a Holmgren will pay. So Moore most likely wouldn't have been all star material. Doesn't mean he wouldn't make millions. And in suing someone you sue for potential income as well so how do you predict that? you showed no empathy for the life impact of his injuries. None. You can hate a guy and still empathize with their injury. (see Chris Pronger) You can't just disregard that. The point is you're wrong on the value of the man's quality if life. Being unable to dispute that, it's easier to locker room the debate. Moore already won this when Bertuzzi plead guilty. It's just a question of how much. If Canada's system restricts him to 3 or 5 million then the whole system is a joke. He could've made that in three years at league minimums.

The point you keep avoiding though is two medical teams at the hospital and two review boards at the insurance companies AGREE with Moore's doctors. So it's not like its just his boys saying something and that's that. Also, my understanding of the cap after reading is lifelong injuries can vastly impact the monetary cap. Though that may fall in other than punitive damages. Guess we'll see. @yave1964 is 100% right. The NHL should've given Moore a reasonable offer and none of this would even be thought about today. Instead we have a blemish on the NHL in a lawsuit they cannot win.

They can buy him out... But at a cap hit for however many years... Lol.

For the record there are several teams of doctors that support Moore's side of the medical damages including the hospital that saw him, the hospitals follow up trauma team, Moore's doctors, and BOTH insurance companies the NHL uses for comp claims. I've covered this before. The NHL asking to see yet another set if doctors is the NHL playing the game, not Moore avoiding it. Of course he won't see them. I wouldn't either. Only a fool would. The quality of life is the issue. Again... What price do you put on the ability to catch baseball with your kid? Ride a roller coaster with them? Watch fireworks? Walk all day through Disney World? All things severe vertigo does away with. How much is that worth? None of us... Here, the Av's, the NHL... Nobody knows how much Moore could have earned. Tyler Kennedy got $2,000,000 to be a scratch. Engelland just got $2,900,000 a year to do what again? Guys are getting $5,000,000 a year to be role players. Moore was a role player. Who knows what some lunatic GM would've paid him somewhere along the way? Like it or not his twam's comments about being equal to Salic or Forsberg can be interpreted to mean he's in the big leagues now playing for a Stanley Cup. Which he was. I don't see him saying he was their equal in talent, just that he skated with them for it all, which he did. Funny how perspective can change the meaning. Simply put, Moore deserves Bertuzzi's money more than Bertuzzi. Bertuzzi will retire and be wealthy regardless. Moore will be handicapped the rest of his life. However slight you may think that's worth.

I think Bertuzzi should've been banned from the NHL. I think he should've served jail time. I think no one knows what Moore could've been, third line or otherwise. But thanks to Bertuzzi, Moore never gets a chance to find out, either. And I think Moore will suffer the effects of Bertuzzi's assault for the rest of his days. How much do you value time spent with your children? Or grandchildren? Riding rides or watching fireworks? I have a wife that can't do those things because of an illness, and I see how it hurts her to miss out. Moore may be missing out on those things as well, BECAUSE if Bertuzzi's actions. So tell me again what Moore is worth. What life is worth. Tell me again how you all know so much what someone else's quality if life is worth.

I'm not going through all this again. I hope he wins. You hope he loses. Done deal.

Again there's a punitive side to damages too. It's not JUST about his earnings potential, it's about punishing Bertuzzi for an act of violence. It's also against the Canucks for sending Bertuzzi out there to do it. And let's face it... People always sue for ridiculous amounts hoping to get a fraction of it. That's how the game is played. Moore is an intelligent man with a legal team. He'll win, just a matter of how much.

Oh my... Lol.

Kennedy has played wing his whole NHL career. His failing has nothing to do with position. Lol

Now there's a GIF I've never seen before. Lol

People out of control swing at anything and everything they can reach. Doesnt minimize responsibility. just dont believe his brain was putting 2+2 at that time. I've seen or been in a lot of brawls in my line of work, and people out of control do that. It is what it is. Not a shining mark on Crosby's history regardless. But it was a long time ago and irrelevant to what he does now. We see worse every season.

I don't think he's trying to pick his spot. I think he's WAY to out of control for that and just punching at whatever he can hit at that point. I think saying he's in control enough to be trying to do anything but is giving him more credit than he deserves at that point.

I really need you to come help me at work. You're obviously a certified expert on intent, and I could use that in a lot of court cases when we have to testify as to what the defendant meant to do even when they weren't able to do it. Watch the video again. He's out of control throwing punches. Valabik takes on square in the ass cheek. As for the Bertuzzi comment, there's a difference there that you're too intelligent not to see.

That's true! And he has a very hands on approach!

Apparently the team is far more sensitive than they let on... what are they hiding under all that angst?

Once again I'd like to point out... Crosby punched him in the arse.. not the balls. So maybe he and Giroux are more alike than any of us ever realized? Funny thing though all this talk about G being drunk and what have you... don't they say your true self comes out then?

They used to say that about Dupuis too. I know he won't be a fixture on Sid's line, but it would be funny to see the Wells Fargo center go nuts about it. LOL

I didn't see one last night but I'll check again when I go back in!

Ever hear of the term "beard"? lol