Ok....you mrntioned 3 leaders, not me.....Max is def one as well.......Coburn too! Knuble on the PP is an attribute....Look, for the low cost of MK, I believe it was a decent pickup....anyone else(Arnott,etc) would have cost a heck of a lot more....it he really is washed up we can waive him as quick as we signed him. Being a little over analytical VF of my thread....ya think?