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13 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said:

 

Trust. Me. No one wanted Ghost at 4.5 mill for 3 more years.

 

Patrick will be making 950K for one year.

 

That is worth the claim.

 

You claim the player you claim his current contract.

 

Yes no one was going to claim Ghost and that contract.

 

No kidding, huh?

 

Every team in the league would line up to claim him. 

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I really don't see the need to "get rid of" Nolan Patrick. He makes under a million a year. I'm not sure what his value is on the trade market but it can't be high. And for whatever pick/prospect you're going to get for him, I highly doubt they will have the upside that he holds. Health is clearly his issue. Yes he played very apprehensive, and I know all the guys wanting to run him out of town would be going balls to the wall if they were recovering from the conditions he is and playing pro hoc

Yes, actually, they can.   Look, I'm not on the "he'll some day be JVR" wagon but I also don't think that one season of -30 coming off serious injury and playing on a team that had the motivation level of a tranquilized sloth is necessarily demonstrative of his total game.   It's low risk more than anything.   Who's he "blocking"?   Give me a viable alternative - something beyond a noun a verb and "-30" - and I'm willing to listen.    

this is where I am. To me it makes little sense to trade the guy now when he's worthless, it doesn't help the team, & represents a huge asset lost. The #2 overall pick should yield something in return. Right now what would a fair return be?  Nothing, and that's being charitable.  So offer a little more $ "we have faith in you" and see what a regular-ish offseason and camp and season do for his game. Try not to create a situation where the kid is resentful toward the team.

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On 5/21/2021 at 3:16 PM, radoran said:

 

If his legacy is simply Hart and Provorov that's not terrible. Add in Konecny, Farabee, and maybe Allison and it gets better.

 

I've gone over the alternatives to his other picks multiple times. Like @mojo1917 said there's a great disparity between picking top 10 and picking middle down. Not to mention from draft to draft.

 

Not every pick is going to pan out.

And therein lies the problem. As long as the Flyers strive to pick 14th every year the team will continue along the past decade path of being mediocre. The media keeps saying they are win now mode. Thats not even funny, nor is it close to reality. You could hit home runs in the next 2 drafts, but until the core of this team is gone nothing is going to change.

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16 hours ago, flyer4ever said:

And therein lies the problem. As long as the Flyers strive to pick 14th every year the team will continue along the past decade path of being mediocre. The media keeps saying they are win now mode. Thats not even funny, nor is it close to reality. You could hit home runs in the next 2 drafts, but until the core of this team is gone nothing is going to change.

Two of the top finesse goal scorers in the league were picked around 15th or 16th,  Pastranuk and Barzal.  Sometimes you can get lucky as long as you are not always looking for a two way player like the Flyers always do. 

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1 hour ago, RonJeremy said:

Two of the top finesse goal scorers in the league were picked around 15th or 16th,  Pastranuk and Barzal.  Sometimes you can get lucky as long as you are not always looking for a two way player like the Flyers always do. 

 

One of those "finesse goal scorers" you speak of was out-goaled by two way players Joel Farabee and Sean Couturier.

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1 hour ago, flyercanuck said:

 

One of those "finesse goal scorers" you speak of was out-goaled by two way players Joel Farabee and Sean Couturier.

 

Konecny (picked 24th in Barzal's draft) has more career goals than Barzal...

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4 minutes ago, CoachX said:

and yet, Barzal's team moves deeper in the playoffs, AGAIN

 

Flyers had more goals and more points as a squad than the Islanders, too.

 

But the Isles goalies were 2.09/.925 while the Flyers were 3.35/.884.

 

Islanders had seven guys +10 or more - six of their top 10 points guys. The team was +101


Flyers had one (Laughton, +13) and their top ten guys were -10 (-23 before Laughton at 10). Farabee had 20 goals and was 0 +/-. JVR 17 goals, +2.

 

Flyers were -127...

 

Last year the Flyers barely beat the Isles in 3 OT games in the playoffs, and scored three goals and were shutout twice in the other four, including Game 7.

 

Not really hard to see why the Isles are having more success... The Islanders just played a much more "team" game and on a more consistent basis.

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2 hours ago, flyercanuck said:

 

One of those "finesse goal scorers" you speak of was out-goaled by two way players Joel Farabee and Sean Couturier.

Yes I’m aware of that, but when guys like Pastranuk and Barzal are on the ice, the other team is very fearful and  they control the puck and carry the play, which we don’t see from any Flyers. Not criticizing Farabee and Coots, but we need a blend of two way players and some skilled finesse guys who can turn a game around on their own. Most of our goals are off broken plays and scrambles, it would be nice to see a tic tac toe beautiful passing play off the rush for a change. I’m tired of boring Flyers hockey, it’s starting to look like a soccer match a big bore fest between the blue lines .

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1 hour ago, radoran said:

 

Konecny (picked 24th in Barzal's draft) has more career goals than Barzal...

Does Konecny control the play like Barzal, remember last year  in the playoffs when every time his line was on the ice they controlled the puck for the entire shift and it looked like they were on the PP. When Barzal is out there, the teams key on him so much that it creates a lot of chances for his linemates. Nobody was worried about Konecny and his zero goals in the playoffs.

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3 hours ago, RonJeremy said:

Does Konecny control the play like Barzal, remember last year  in the playoffs when every time his line was on the ice they controlled the puck for the entire shift and it looked like they were on the PP. When Barzal is out there, the teams key on him so much that it creates a lot of chances for his linemates. Nobody was worried about Konecny and his zero goals in the playoffs.

 

Wasn't aware that puck control was related to "finesse goals".

 

See my post above about why the Islanders are more successful than the Flyers and get back to me.

 

:thumbsu:

 

 

3 hours ago, RonJeremy said:

I’m tired of boring Flyers hockey, it’s starting to look like a soccer match a big bore fest between the blue lines .

 

I wish it was "between the blue lines". The -127 would indicate that more time was spent on one side of one particular blue line...

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2 hours ago, radoran said:

 

Wasn't aware that puck control was related to "finesse goals".

 

See my post above about why the Islanders are more successful than the Flyers and get back to me.

 

:thumbsu:

 

 

 

I wish it was "between the blue lines". The -127 would indicate that more time was spent on one side of one particular blue line...

Puck control equals having the skill to stick handle and make crisp accurate passes to your line mates and control the play in the offensive zone and create high percentage scoring chances. 

 

yeah that’s true about all the play in our zone, good post on the Islanders…Lamorello also knows how to build a team. He signed a guy like Pageau who is a big help to the Isles success and we signed Gustafson.

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15 hours ago, RonJeremy said:

Does Konecny control the play like Barzal, remember last year  in the playoffs when every time his line was on the ice they controlled the puck for the entire shift and it looked like they were on the PP. When Barzal is out there, the teams key on him so much that it creates a lot of chances for his linemates. Nobody was worried about Konecny and his zero goals in the playoffs.

 

If the Islanders would have put cement footed Nate Thompson out on the ice every...single...time Konecny stepped on he would have. How a pro coach thought that was a good idea, especially after (like you said) Barzal controlled every shift, ALL shift. 

 

"Hey, that Barzal guy can really fly...let's put the worst skater in the NHL out there against him every shift!"

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3 hours ago, flyercanuck said:

 

If the Islanders would have put cement footed Nate Thompson out on the ice every...single...time Konecny stepped on he would have. How a pro coach thought that was a good idea, especially after (like you said) Barzal controlled every shift, ALL shift. 

 

"Hey, that Barzal guy can really fly...let's put the worst skater in the NHL out there against him every shift!"

Yeah this is true, some of the things management has done are really stupid.

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