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3 hours ago, McMahon 6 said:

Personally, I'd even be OK with a 4 year deal, though longer would be better.

This is where I am too. Lock him up for as long as possible but if 4 is all you can get I think you have to do it. He might be open to an extension later and after 4 years the cap issues are gone. If he makes it clear to the brass that he isn’t going to resign, trade him in year 3. If he performs like he did this past year, he might be one of the biggest trade pieces you will ever have. You’d get quite the haul.

 

Do you think this is all about years and dollars or is Kaprisov potentially dragging this out some to see how we address the center position to help him??

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I don't think he wants less $$, he just wants less term.  I think Minnesota is a good place to play, but if you want to be marketed in a high-profile manner (and I think that's what he wants) he will want to take his game to an even more prominent market (Toronto, New York, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, Vegas, Tampa Bay, Chicago).  He knows the bidding war in 3 years when he becomes a UFA will be crazy and he'll make a mint.     Minnesota doesn't want to let it come to that, so its going

Hell if that's what he wants he should come to Ontario....10,000 lakes...chicken feed. We have 400,000 lakes and rivers. And Northern Ontario is about as close to a Siberian climate as you can get. We don't even have roads in northern Ontario...how Siberian is that?!? 

I agree. To sign him whatever he wants. It took 5 years to bring him here by Guerin help. Even if he will be signed for 3 or 4 years, still the entire team will get out of him a very valuable experience. I am still thinking also, that he feels alone in our team because of his language barrier and different culture. Maybe he would feel better/ more comfortable to play if the team will have 3 or 4 Russian players in it, like Tampa has Kucherov, Sergachev, Vasilevskiy.  I remember on videos during

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1 hour ago, TallyTigerShark said:

Do you think this is all about years and dollars or is Kaprisov potentially dragging this out some to see how we address the center position to help him??

 

If it's dollars that Kaprisov wants, he would've jumped at the Wild's 8 year offer. I think you hit it right on the head by thinking that Kap is waiting to see what the team looks like in a few years before deciding to commit long term. A decent center would go a long way in this regard. So would some toughness to put the fear of God into opponents who declare open season on the Granlunds, Zuckers and Kaprisovs of the world.

 

Kap's enthusiastic demeanor on the ice and on the bench gives me the impression that he likes it here a lot. If Guerin can keep it that way, a contract extension down the road could be a relatively easy sell. And as you suggest, if things don't end up going south, the Wild could shop him early and get enough assets in trade to have a fast rebuild on their hands.

 

So far, Guerin appears to be making good, sensible decisions: a refreshing change from previous GMs here. I'm more optimistic about the Wild's future than I have been in several years, and I'm also optimistic about Kaprisov wearing #97 with us for a long time. Many pro athletes don't want to come to Minnesota because it's perceived as small market flyover country. But once they get here, more often than not, they don't want to leave (and if they do finish their careers elsewhere, they end up coming back and buying a home in MN to raise their family, with the original McMahon 6 and several former North Stars being cases in point)

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7 hours ago, McMahon 6 said:

 

If it's dollars that Kaprisov wants, he would've jumped at the Wild's 8 year offer. I think you hit it right on the head by thinking that Kap is waiting to see what the team looks like in a few years before deciding to commit long term. A decent center would go a long way in this regard. So would some toughness to put the fear of God into opponents who declare open season on the Granlunds, Zuckers and Kaprisovs of the world.

 

Kap's enthusiastic demeanor on the ice and on the bench gives me the impression that he likes it here a lot. If Guerin can keep it that way, a contract extension down the road could be a relatively easy sell. And as you suggest, if things don't end up going south, the Wild could shop him early and get enough assets in trade to have a fast rebuild on their hands.

 

So far, Guerin appears to be making good, sensible decisions: a refreshing change from previous GMs here. I'm more optimistic about the Wild's future than I have been in several years, and I'm also optimistic about Kaprisov wearing #97 with us for a long time. Many pro athletes don't want to come to Minnesota because it's perceived as small market flyover country. But once they get here, more often than not, they don't want to leave (and if they do finish their careers elsewhere, they end up coming back and buying a home in MN to raise their family, with the original McMahon 6 and several former North Stars being cases in point)

 

I think Kaprizov would like it just about anywhere.  He's easy to like and he seems to have a good time wherever he goes by what I can see.  The only question is would he have the patience to wait 4 years to be good because that's probably going to be the situation given the dead money the club now has because of the buyout.  

 

I don't think making a move for Eichel is the way to do it.  I would agree with you on Bill Guerin so far.  He certainly has taken control of the team's cultural direction and has gutted the roster of the country club.  I still think you have to get #97 to at least commit to a 5-year deal.  That gives you the time to then show him how you are going to build around him.  Also, your youngsters like Rossi, Boldy and others have had the chance to mature and you can see more of the true potential of the club.  IMO, we won't be there in 3 years and that seems to be the deal #97 are holding firm on so far.  

 

Dream shot would be to somehow get Alexander Barkov but I heard the Panthers are working hard to try to extend him.  However, I think the best bet is probably drafting one rather than trying to trade or pick one up via free agency.  Even Guerin said teams don't deal away top line centers.  

 

 

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If its just a 4 year deal.  All you can do is just tell him what you're going to do.  If you can get him to accept a 5-year deal you can actually let him see and experience what you're going to do to build the team into a perennial contender.  

 

I think the marketing campaign is going to happen whether they sign him to a 3-year deal or an 8-year one.  With the fossils gone, he's the clear cut face of the franchise at this point.  

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7 hours ago, CreaseAndAssist said:

If its just a 4 year deal.  All you can do is just tell him what you're going to do.  If you can get him to accept a 5-year deal you can actually let him see and experience what you're going to do to build the team into a perennial contender.  

 

I think the marketing campaign is going to happen whether they sign him to a 3-year deal or an 8-year one.  With the fossils gone, he's the clear cut face of the franchise at this point.  

 

Totally agree that a 5 year deal would be the sweet spot for the very reason you mention: it'd give the Wild a chance to say "OK, Kaps, our boat anchors are finally off the books and we have salary cap freedom. Here comes your supporting cast, and they're all NHL ready right now!" Any pieces we can add between now and then from Iowa or elsewhere would be gravy.

 

If the Kaprisov camp refuses to go longer than 3 years, then the Wild might be best served to go the sign and shop route. At any rate, Guerin has hopefully pulled the 8 year deal off the table, in the unlikely chance that #97 turns out to be a 55 game flash in the pan. I can almost see it now:

 

Kaprisov camp: "Don't read too much into the second season stats: everyone gets the sophomore jinx. Everything will be fine. By the way, that 8 year deal sounds good after all: where do we sign?"

 

Guerin: "You had your chance to be set for life after 55 games, and ya blew it. Let's wait another season to see if that jinx goes away before we talk more money."

 

Personally, I think Kaprisov is the real deal, but ya never know from one abbreviated season: if he does get an 8 year deal and turns into another Brian Lawton or Dave Archibald, we'll all be screaming "Didn't the Wild learn anything from Suter and Parise about the risk of long term deals?!"

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I think 97 turning down the 8 year deal is a blessing in disguise.

Too many players look great initially and get a bad injury that changes their game completely.

Also this will giv BG time to educate Kirill about the wisdom of taking less to make winnig easier.

 

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Sincerely, I do not remember when player turn down 8 year long superb offer in the Wild history. I think it happened for the 1st time and it happened with a 1st Calder trophy winner for the Wild club. I also do not remember, that Calder trophy winner (who had 99 out of 100 voters) turned his play bad after the trophy in the professional hockey. Kaprizov is not Parise and Suter, he is a completely different player and has a completely different character. We should sign him for the term he wants, because we will not lose anything but will develop a huge interest to the team from the world media. We should think only positive to have him for any time in our team. This situation it happens once in a life time. Any madness around him is not acceptable, because he is a world class player.

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IMO, if he wants to go to the KHL that's on him.  The Wild have been more than fair in their offers.  He's a player who was just under a point per game and he's wanting McDavid / Matthews money.   

 

I doubt the KHL deal is McDavid / Matthews money either.  However if he thinks that's going to raise his stock with NHL clubs, it won't.  It won't make his offers in 3 years from now any better.  It won't make his game any better biding his time there and perhaps trying to sharpen his NHL teeth some more in the Olympics.  

 

If I'm Guerin, I'd hold firm at $8-$9 million / 8 years...and only reluctantly move down to 5 years at the same amount.  Anything less than 5 years doesn't make sense given the team's cap situation.  He's not a $10 million+ player yet, he could be...but he's got to show he can be that IMO before you give it to him.  

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