The dust has settled (for now).....

[OccamsRazor]

Well guess we'll see what Travis chooses.

 

 

 

There could be a hard pivot in the future.  

 

[mojo1917]

24 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said:

Well guess we'll see what Travis chooses.

 

 

 

There could be a hard pivot in the future.  

 

I saw on the Twitters the sticking point is term, the Flyers are okay with the aav.

 

[OccamsRazor]

10 hours ago, mojo1917 said:

I saw on the Twitters the sticking point is term, the Flyers are okay with the aav.

 

 

I don't think he will get much of a raise at all.

 

But will he choose one or two years for the next deal?

 

Looking a the deals that Larsson, Savard and even Suter signed the top being 4 mill per to Larsson...is Sanheim a better defenseman than these guys?

 

I would say no to the first two but he is better than Suter so this should interesting...he still has a lot to prove before I sign him to a 5-7 year deal.

 

In fact I wouldn't be completely shocked if he is the next D man traded out of Philly.

[OccamsRazor]

Oh and just to change the subject a little.

 

Have ever seen this brought up but WTF is Chuckles going to do if Coots comes to him and tells him he wants to test the market ala Phillip Danault?

 

Would they decide to go ahead and trade him before the trade deadline for the best return?

 

Or depending on the team record just wait it out?

 

[LegionOfDoom]

Coots is definitely a flagged concern. He is within his right to get paid G money at the least but the term is where I can see a stand still. Five years is where I see the term eluding to. I think that would be a compromise in term, I could see 9mill/3 years(pay him upfront what he lost from previous contract) and then maybe a 4mill/4 years(to balance out tenure/retirement).

Also G should resign for 4mill/4 years next contract if he wants to retire a Flyer. (He got his payday already)

 

Nobody has Nate Thompson on any of the lines.

Maybe Allison will stay at AHL till November...

 

 

[OccamsRazor]

On 8/2/2021 at 9:24 PM, mojo1917 said:

I saw on the Twitters the sticking point is term, the Flyers are okay with the aav.

 

 

I know many have talked about bad plays from Risto but I sure remember a few from Sanheim too. Not even talking about being beat up by Gerbe.

 

This one comes to mind

 

 

[elmatus]

On 8/3/2021 at 9:29 AM, OccamsRazor said:

Oh and just to change the subject a little.

 

Have ever seen this brought up but WTF is Chuckles going to do if Coots comes to him and tells him he wants to test the market ala Phillip Danault?

 

Would they decide to go ahead and trade him before the trade deadline for the best return?

 

Or depending on the team record just wait it out?

 

 

Honestly, I wouldn’t be shocked to see both Couts and Giroux test the market when their contracts go up. They’d both have a similar reason for doing so, despite being in different stages in their careers. 

 

Couts’ next contract will be the ‘lock him in for long term and good money’ variety. As a perennial selke candidate with above average production, he’s quite possibly the most sought after type of player outside of generational talents. Unless he somehow nosedives in play between now and then, any number of teams would be wanting his services at that point. 

 

For Giroux, we have a guy who is aging but is still highly productive. He would be a top six winger with upside who is great pinching in for faceoffs and would be a formidable add on mostly any contending teams where he doesn’t have to be the best player on the roster.

 

So essentially both should be wanted. Opportunity will be there for them. What about motivation?

 

Well, unless something remarable happens between now and then, this current team doesn’t seem poised to really contend for a cup anytime soon. If they feel the same way, they may want to test the market to see if they can sign with a proper contender — Couts as a key member of a cup run, Giroux as a significant production add to an already good squad. 

 

So at that point, part of it really depends on how badly they want a cup. If winning a cup is hugely important to either or both of them, they’d have good reason to look elsewhere.

 

I’m not saying that will happen necessarily, only that i wouldn’t be shocked if it did. 

Edited August 4, 2021 by elmatus

[OccamsRazor]

47 minutes ago, elmatus said:

Honestly, I wouldn’t be shocked to see both Couts and Giroux test the market when their contracts go up. They’d both have a similar reason for doing so, despite being in different stages in their careers.

 

So as a GM if we have this conversation and you (pretending you are either one of them) then I have to look at the possibilities of moving you two before I am left with nothing but fond memories of days gone.

 

Because we'll the best interests of the club comes first and we'll assets coming back goes a long was in helping to rebuild the team and prepare for the future.

 

It's a hard risky decision to have to make but one that needs to still be made.

 

I just wouldn't be very wise to be left with nothing to show for it in my mind.

[elmatus]

32 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said:

 

So as a GM if we have this conversation and you (pretending you are either one of them) then I have to look at the possibilities of moving you two before I am left with nothing but fond memories of days gone.

 

Because we'll the best interests of the club comes first and we'll assets coming back goes a long was in helping to rebuild the team and prepare for the future.

 

It's a hard risky decision to have to make but one that needs to still be made.

 

I just wouldn't be very wise to be left with nothing to show for it in my mind.

 

I still contend Giroux should have been traded this off-season, while he still had reasonable value to a contending team. Fletch went pretty hard in the other direction though. Which, fair enough I suppose, he's an NHL GM and I am not.

 

Couts is less straightforward imo. While you are right in that we could use the assets to kickstart a desperately needed rebuild, I'd probably be more inclined to give him that contract and let him play the next 7ish years in PHI as the next captain.

 

Obviously, if Couts talks about not wanting to sign at all because he wants to try and play for a contender, then yeah, he should be moved before it's too late. I have to assume Fletch has started this convo with him by now.

[BobbyClarkeFan16]

If Couturier and/or Giroux wants out, then auction rhem. The return on Couturier would be ridiculous. We're talking a combination ofcap space, draft picks, prospects and young roster players. Couturier would be a move that a contender would make to put them over the top. Could you picture Couturier going to Colorado and the Flyers landing a package including Bowen Byram, Martin Kaut, and Alex Newhook (however, the Flyers would need to take a big contract item in return as well)? That would be the basis of a return for Couturier, especially with the depth in Colorado. They make that move and they don't miss a beat. 

 

As for Giroux, he'd still hold significant value, especially if he became a third line winger and power play specialist for a team. I could easily see him landing in a place like Carolina. It wouldn't be improbable to see the Flyers end up with Martin Necas as part of the package. Once again, money would need to come back and that probably means a player like Brady Skjei. 

 

Anyways, if the Flyers are out by December then yes, it's time to blow it up. 

[ruxpin]

45 minutes ago, BobbyClarkeFan16 said:

Could you picture Couturier going to Colorado and the Flyers landing a package including Bowen Byram, Martin Kaut, and Alex Newhook

 

45 minutes ago, BobbyClarkeFan16 said:

It wouldn't be improbable to see the Flyers end up with Martin Necas as part of the package.

 

Your post just made me giddy.

[CoachX]

2 hours ago, OccamsRazor said:

 

So as a GM if we have this conversation and you (pretending you are either one of them) then I have to look at the possibilities of moving you two before I am left with nothing but fond memories of days gone.

 

Because we'll the best interests of the club comes first and we'll assets coming back goes a long was in helping to rebuild the team and prepare for the future.

 

It's a hard risky decision to have to make but one that needs to still be made.

 

I just wouldn't be very wise to be left with nothing to show for it in my mind.

If I'm GM, I watch how things play out, up to the trade deadline. In the meantime, Im talking to G and Coots agents to gauge their intent. Unless Im certain they will resign for money and term that helps the team, I'm moving them with no regrets. And I move them just like Elmatus has outlined

 

Im finding contenders who will overpay for the talent these two have, and I pull the trigger WITHOUT REMORSE (coincidentally the title of one of my favorite novels)

[CoachX]

10 minutes ago, ruxpin said:

Your post just made me giddy

newsflash! pretty sure you are in a constant state of "giddy"....except when you are smarmy and irritable

[ruxpin]

2 hours ago, CoachX said:

newsflash! pretty sure you are in a constant state of "giddy"....except when you are smarmy and irritable

 

I need another word than giddy, actually.     

But "except when you are smarmy  and irritable" doesn't quite work with "constant state."   "Rarely" would probably be a better term.  I'm married for 30 years in October and I'm nearly ALWAYS smarmy and/or irritable.

[CoachX]

1 hour ago, ruxpin said:

"Rarely" would probably be a better term.  I'm married for 30 years in October and I'm nearly ALWAYS smarmy and/or irritable

as such, justifiable 

[flyercanuck]

14 hours ago, BobbyClarkeFan16 said:

Could you picture Couturier going to Colorado and the Flyers landing a package including Bowen Byram, Martin Kaut, and Alex Newhook

 

 Could you picture Fletcher trading for 3 guys who are all younger and less expensive than the guy going out? Let alone zero Minnesota affiliation on whats coming back...forget it!

[ruxpin]

2 hours ago, flyercanuck said:

 

 Could you picture Fletcher trading for 3 guys who are all younger and less expensive than the guy going out? Let alone zero Minnesota affiliation on whats coming back...forget it!

 

@CoachX

(Above) -- the death of giddy.

[OccamsRazor]

46 minutes ago, ruxpin said:

 

@CoachX

(Above) -- the death of giddy.

 

Is that Gritties unborn son? Giddy?

 

[flyer4ever]

19 hours ago, BobbyClarkeFan16 said:

If Couturier and/or Giroux wants out, then auction rhem. The return on Couturier would be ridiculous. We're talking a combination ofcap space, draft picks, prospects and young roster players. Couturier would be a move that a contender would make to put them over the top. Could you picture Couturier going to Colorado and the Flyers landing a package including Bowen Byram, Martin Kaut, and Alex Newhook (however, the Flyers would need to take a big contract item in return as well)? That would be the basis of a return for Couturier, especially with the depth in Colorado. They make that move and they don't miss a beat. 

 

As for Giroux, he'd still hold significant value, especially if he became a third line winger and power play specialist for a team. I could easily see him landing in a place like Carolina. It wouldn't be improbable to see the Flyers end up with Martin Necas as part of the package. Once again, money would need to come back and that probably means a player like Brady Skjei. 

 

Anyways, if the Flyers are out by December then yes, it's time to blow it up. 

It has been blow it up time for 8 years. 

[BobbyClarkeFan16]

2 minutes ago, flyer4ever said:

It has been blow it up time for 8 years. 

Great but previous ownership wouldn't allow it. That's part of the reason why Hextall never got to do a full teardown. As long as Snider was alive, the team was to remain competitive. It's part of the reason he couldn't move guys. Now that Snider is gone, if things do go poorly again,  Fletcher can make a legit case for a full teardown and can start auctioning off pieces. 

[SCFlyguy]

On 8/4/2021 at 12:52 PM, elmatus said:

I still contend Giroux should have been traded this off-season, while he still had reasonable value to a contending team.

Should have been traded when Hextall took the GM job, because he wasn't going to be a top player when whatever Hextall was doing was done.

 

I'm not going to call it a rebuild.

[radoran]

12 hours ago, BobbyClarkeFan16 said:

Great but previous ownership wouldn't allow it. That's part of the reason why Hextall never got to do a full teardown. As long as Snider was alive, the team was to remain competitive. It's part of the reason he couldn't move guys. Now that Snider is gone, if things do go poorly again,  Fletcher can make a legit case for a full teardown and can start auctioning off pieces. 

 

IMO Comcast won't allow that. They want a "definitely a playoff team" where "anything can happen."

[flyer4ever]

9 hours ago, radoran said:

 

IMO Comcast won't allow that. They want a "definitely a playoff team" where "anything can happen."

How does comcast ever make any money? They must be as stupid as the trees in the forest. We have all been witness to how this current business and hockey plan is working out.

[fan4ever]

1 hour ago, flyer4ever said:

How does comcast ever make any money? They must be as stupid as the trees in the forest. We have all been witness to how this current business and hockey plan is working out.

 

They make it from the f'in cable fees I pay every month for my internet, tv and phone!!!!  Biggest ripoff known to man!

[radoran]

2 hours ago, flyer4ever said:

How does comcast ever make any money? They must be as stupid as the trees in the forest. We have all been witness to how this current business and hockey plan is working out.

 

Comcast is worth $267B.

 

They had an 11% profit margin last year.

 

They have $12B cash on hand.

 

The Flyers are an ancillary revenue source that enhances their cable presence in the Philadelphia area. As long as people move through the gates and give their eyeballs to television, they're good.

 

"Winning" is something of a secondary consideration.