Giroux Trade Talk

[OccamsRazor]

31 minutes ago, radoran said:

 

Is this a Eklund (e3) - he thought of it, he wrote it down, you read it?

 

Or from a mildly credible "source"?

 

To be clear, ol' Fletch would ship out Ron's Frost pick in a heartbeat.

 

I seriously don't get the reason the Avs make a major change at this point of the season, but I've been wrong before.

 

 

And sounds like this might not be far from going down Danny B is off to scout the Avs.

 

Now why we are hearing about this seems the Flyers are leaking this so they can Mayne draw other suitors in to the fray.

 

Stay tuned...

[OccamsRazor]

Tried to put the tweet in there and failed.

 

Crossing broad reports Danny B to scout the Avs.

[FD19372]

It sounds like Giroux's three destinations of choice are Colorado, St. Louis or Minnesota. G's being the "good soldier" right now. He's saying all the right things. He knows he's 34, and time is running out for him to win a Cup and it won't be in Philly. The Flyers front office would be bigger idiots, than I think they already are, if they don't trade him before the deadline..pending of his course, his decision to waive his NMC. G would be an idiot not to...and I don't think is.

[radoran]

Just now, OccamsRazor said:

And sounds like this might not be far from going down Danny B is off to scout the Avs.

 

They've had execs/scouts at the Avs for weeks now.

 

I get the concept of "going all in" but I don't get the idea of taking a team that hasn't lost in regulation in this calendar year, is firing on all cylinders, and making what amounts to a major change.

 

[radoran]

1 minute ago, FD19372 said:

G would be an idiot not to...and I don't think is.

 

He'll waive, they'll trade, and then re-sign him.

[FD19372]

Just now, radoran said:

 

He'll waive, they'll trade, and then re-sign him.

Yep. That's how I see it, too.

[flyercanuck]

2 minutes ago, radoran said:

 

He'll waive, they'll trade, and then re-sign him.

 

Ya, and it doesn't matter who offers the best deal for the Flyers...he's going to Minnesota.

[FD19372]

I want Compher and Barron in return, since there's probably not a snowball's chance in hell, for Newhook and a pick.

[FD19372]

Just now, flyercanuck said:

 

Ya, and it doesn't matter who offers the best deal for the Flyers...he's going to Minnesota.

The Chuckles discount double-check?

[FD19372]

21 minutes ago, flyercanuck said:

 

Ya, and it doesn't matter who offers the best deal for the Flyers...he's going to Minnesota.

G and Braun for Victor Rask, Calen Addison and a 3rd? I don't know. Rask is a bit older than what I want in return, though.

Edited February 15, 2022 by FD19372

[mojo1917]

@radoran

@OccamsRazor

 

Some interesting insight on the Frost situation on this week's snow the goalie podcast as well.

DiFillipo and DiMarco were saying the coaching change has as much to do with Frost's yo-yo-ing as anything.

AV thought he was best suited to be a top 6 winger, Yeo wants him to be a top 6 centerman.

They (the front office) think he's still a centerman but he needs to focus on the full 200 feet. They think he has the skills to be an NHL centerman, A and A pointed to his improved play @ center over the last few NHL games.

So, his time in LHV recently has been so he can play all the minutes and be ready to play the pivot once the dominoes of the trade season fall.

 

I don't think they are looking to rid themselves of the only impact centerman in the system that can play top 9 NHL minutes in the next year. 

He is it. 

 

I also don't think draft picks are going to be what's valued by the Flyers in the Giroux deal.

I think they want someone that can make the team better next year, and then grow into a ++ player.

There is nothing happening to indicate a full on rebuild is happening, so if a pile of draft picks is what you're hoping for, you will be disappointed by the Giroux return.

I also think G is waiving to teams in his top 4.

He hates losing. 

Carolina would be logical choice to trade with, they are top 3 in the East and have a pile of good prospects. Jack Drury come on down! They would be made better without giving up NHL assets. Maybe salary is kept by PHI to make it happen, but that should bring more goodies to the Flyers if that's what is needed. 

 

Edited February 15, 2022 by mojo1917

[FD19372]

3 minutes ago, mojo1917 said:

I also don't think draft picks are going to be what's valued by the Flyers in the Giroux deal.

I don't either. This is their point of self-reflection. This franchise doesn't develop prospects well. They need a good, young NHL player and a prospect back for Giroux.

[OccamsRazor]

3 hours ago, mojo1917 said:

I think they want someone that can make the team better next year, and then grow into a ++ player.

 

This is why the inclusion of Frost in the G deal for Newhook to be in the package the Avs wanted a young good center back.

 

Compher was to help with salary and give then a player under contract for next year too.

 

There was draft mentioned in this all too but I forget the specifics.

 

The feeling is the window is open for the Avs and if they want a player of G's caliber well they have to give up a good piece back and that is Newhook.

 

I do not want the Flyers to back down.

 

This trade will be Chuckles biggest pat on his back or nail in his coffin...

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 15, 2022 by OccamsRazor
this auto correct is pissing me off

[flyercanuck]

36 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said:

 

 

 

This trade will be Chuckles biggest pat on his back or nail in his coffin...

 

 His coffin is already full of nails. 

[radoran]

51 minutes ago, mojo1917 said:

I also don't think draft picks are going to be what's valued by the Flyers in the Giroux deal.

I think they want someone that can make the team better next year, and then grow into a ++ player.

 

I get that's what they want. But they're not really in the position to be demanding things and they are limited as to the "market" they can try to play off each other.

 

If I'm the Avs, I don't know why I'm parting with Newhook at all. 16 points in 36 games from a 3rd line center who's 21 and under a ELC for another year and then RFA.

 

It's exactly the kind of deal - a 21-year-old first round pick under contract for a 34-year-old rental - we would be shaking our heads and wondering why the Flyers did.

 

40 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said:

The feeling is the window is open for the Avs and if they want a player of G's caliber well they have to give up a good piece back and that is Newhook.

 

The window is open. They're the best team in the league by not a small amount. Odds on favorite for the sportsbooks. There's nothing that I can see that "adding Giroux" does to make them that much better that they are a guaranteed winner. Their issue, if they have one, is in goal and the possiblity that Kuemper goes down with (another) injury.

 

Losing two roster forwards to add third line depth while subtracting third line depth doesn't make any sense to me at all.

 

Doesn't mean they won't do it... I just think Minny is more likely.

[radoran]

50 minutes ago, FD19372 said:

They need a good, young NHL player and a prospect back for Giroux.

 

Using the Toffoli deal as a marker, the Habs got a Pitlick and a Swede who has yet to play in the league, a low round first, and a 5th.

 

And the Habs could play the market. The Flyers have, apparently, three teams of which two have virtually no cap space.

 

Minnesota makes the most sense if only because with the Parise/Suter buyouts they are going into cap hell for the next three seasons. If they have a "shot" to take, this is it.

 

I could maybe see them flipping Fiala for Giroux but again that's a trade I think we would flip out about if the Flyers were dealing a Fiala.

 

Probably wrong and the Avs deal will be coming through later today.

[radoran]

It's stuff like this article: https://www.denverpost.com/2022/02/14/keeler-claude-giroux-joe-pavelski-von-miller-avs-colorado-avalanche-trade/

 

This is an entire article saying the Avs "need" to get a "cherry on top" of their "Stanley Cup worthy core" - suggesting Giroux or Pavelski.

 

No where does it say what the Avs might give up to get, nor how they would fit either player under the cap, not to mention the lineup.

 

Except to note this:

Quote

Giroux should be Plan A. But if Philadelphia asks for the moon — and by the moon, we mean Avs center Alex Newhook — you move on.

 

[CoachX]

3 hours ago, OccamsRazor said:

It is why I had seen a trade rumor a week or so ago with this suggestion:

 

Giroux

Frost

 

for 

 

Newhook

JT Compfe

REPORTED!

 

3 hours ago, OccamsRazor said:

Also please no one cry to me I'm just the reporter here...

oops....stop reading at Giroux

[CoachX]

2 hours ago, mojo1917 said:

Some interesting insight on the Frost situation on this week's snow the goalie podcast as well.

DiFillipo and DiMarco were saying the coaching change has as much to do with Frost's yo-yo-ing as anything.

AV thought he was best suited to be a top 6 winger, Yeo wants him to be a top 6 centerman.

They (the front office) think he's still a centerman but he needs to focus on the full 200 feet. They think he has the skills to be an NHL centerman, A and A pointed to his improved play @ center over the last few NHL games.

if this is true, they are more fcked in the head than I thought

[radoran]

34 minutes ago, CoachX said:

if this is true, they are more fcked in the head than I thought

 

[OccamsRazor]

1 hour ago, radoran said:

guaranteed winner.

 

First off there is no such a thing.

 

But after watching the Rams go for it with their acquisition of Stafford and Miller after falling short for how many years and then it actually pay off well i think the Avs may need to make a solid move similar if they want to be able to beat the Bolts when and well IF they get there. 

 

But you never know Sakic could be that cocky and yeah think hey i don't need Claude and i wish him well in that endeavor. But if i am GM i'm holding onto him until i see all that could be on the table for him.

 

The Avs have the same amount of trips to their conference finals as the Flyers in the last decade so it isn't like they have much leverage in this either if Chuckles plays this right.

 

Last i checked i have a players who said he wants to retire here and i don't have to move him if that is the case. So if they want this guy well they are going to have to ante up.

 

Unless you have a better player on the block than Giroux who you know of and offering??

 

In fact i fully expect teams to be in on him. This is the biggest move of Chuckles tenure.

 

I hope and pray he doesn't take that lightly. And after all that and it is the best offer i think Chuckles will pull the trigger i have to admit i do not have faith in Chuck anymore so i just hope they don't get screwed further.

 

I know ol Fletch does do well in trades lately if he doesn't move Giroux i hope he moves as much dead weight as he can.

 

Thompson

Braun

Brassard (if healthy)

Yandle 

Connauton

Seeler 

Risto

JVR

 

If he can remove half this it is a win.................................................maybe.

 

[OccamsRazor]

1 hour ago, radoran said:

Their issue, if they have one, is in goal and the possiblity that Kuemper goes down with (another) injury.

 

I meant to say i agree with you they really don't have to do anything expect maybe thing about addressing their net maybe otherwise yeah stay the course....but that isn't exciting or helping us at all which i know they could careless about.

 

Minnesota too i could see too because well it's Minnesota...and they have Chuck and Homer.

 

[OccamsRazor]

51 minutes ago, CoachX said:

REPORTED!

 

oops....stop reading at Giroux

 

Why you don't want to trade him???

[mojo1917]

54 minutes ago, CoachX said:

if this is true, they are more fcked in the head than I thought

can you expand on this a little ?

Giving the player direction and the opportunity to improve doesn't seem fcked in the head to me.

It seems like trying to get the most from an asset.

 

 I'm curious as to why you think this. 

[CoachX]

2 hours ago, OccamsRazor said:

 

This is why the inclusion of Frost in the G deal for Newhook to be in the package the Avs wanted a young good center back.

 

Computer was to help with salary and give then a player under contract for next year too.

 

There was draft mentioned in this all too but I forget the specifics.

 

The feeling is the window is open for the Avs and if they want a player of G's caliber well they have to give up a good piece back and that is Newhook.

 

I do not want the Flyers to back down.

 

This trade will be Chuckles biggest pat on his back or nail in his coffin...

not directed at you, just prompted by it....

 

Mojo relayed something he heard where Frost was an impacting reason they fired AV. If true, and then frost is traded, im pretty sure mu head will just explosde. I mean, i will be sitting here at the computer, reading, and then boom, my head blows completley up. Considering my dog is trained to detect explosives, I would think he would alert me to the impending doom. However, he's prolly smart enough to know that as a Flyer fan, this action will put me out of my misery, and is a good thing.

 

Of course, he could just let it happen becasue he knows I'm a dumbsht who's holding him back