Fizz Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Who do you all think the next HC will be? I think they need an established NHL coach not a rookie. I would not be apposed to John Tortorelle to change the character and team culture of this team. I pray it isn't Yeo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 41 minutes ago, Fizz said: I would not be apposed to John Tortorelle I would be vehemently opposed. What did he do in Columbus other than to ignore strengths and shove square pegs into round holes? It would be exactly more of Vingault. "Sanheim, don't use your offensive abilities. Do XYZ on defense. Same goes for you, Ghost!" etc. etc. etc. I get defensive responsibility, but no one ultimately played well under Torts because he stripped the life out of them. Like in Philly. Never mind. Come to think of it, Fonzi the Succubus would fit in perfectly with this dumpster fire of a dead-at-the-top (dis)organization. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Fizz said: Who do you all think the next HC will be? I think they need an established NHL coach not a rookie. I would not be apposed to John Tortorelle to change the character and team culture of this team. I pray it isn't Yeo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCFlyguy Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 WGAF? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 5 hours ago, Fizz said: Who do you all think the next HC will be? I think they need an established NHL coach not a rookie. Alain Vigneault 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GratefulFlyers Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 18 hours ago, Fizz said: Who do you all think the next HC will be? Does it even matter? Until the Flyers get Couturier, Farabee and Hayes back on the ice, get rid of (at least) Yandle and Seeler and if Ellis is done find an upgrade to Braun for Provorov I don't think it matters at all. If Ellis is 100% for next year great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 24 minutes ago, GratefulFlyers said: Does it even matter? Until the Flyers get Couturier, Farabee and Hayes back on the ice, get rid of (at least) Yandle and Seeler and if Ellis is done find an upgrade to Braun for Provorov I don't think it matters at all. If Ellis is 100% for next year great. No you're right. It doesn't matter. At least this year. So get prepared to dismantle this team in the offseason. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCFlyguy Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 I'm prepared for them to do no such thing. They literally already told you they think the team is close to competing and it's just injuries and coaching that are holding it back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 43 minutes ago, SCFlyguy said: They literally already told you they think the team is close to competing and it's just injuries and coaching that are holding it back. All the while, also saying that they need 2-3 more pieces and more top-end talent. While having $13M in cap space for next season; needing to re-sign Giroux (oh, yes, indeed they will); Ristolainen (wait for it); tender Ivan Radcliff, Alison, and MacEwan; sign three more defencemen and a backup goalie. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 23 minutes ago, radoran said: All the while, also saying that they need 2-3 more pieces and more top-end talent. While having $13M in cap space for next season; needing to re-sign Giroux (oh, yes, indeed they will); Ristolainen (wait for it); tender Ivan Radcliff, Alison, and MacEwan; sign three more defencemen and a backup goalie. They have to either trade JVR even if they pick up 2-3 mill of his salary or buy him out. Which if they choose the first option that should push them to 18 mill then they can sign Rosto to a 8 year 9 mill per season deal that should improve gate sales... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howie58 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 I wonder if Tippett is part of the picture? Widely respected, into defense and structure, and by all accounts, no-nonsense. His playoff record isn't so hot, but he has not coached the enormously talented squads. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizz Posted February 12, 2022 Author Share Posted February 12, 2022 6 hours ago, Howie58 said: I wonder if Tippett is part of the picture? Widely respected, into defense and structure, and by all accounts, no-nonsense. His playoff record isn't so hot, but he has not coached the enormously talented squads. I don't know...Edmonton kinda has some talented players. Unless you think McDavid, Draisaitl, Puljujarvi and Nugent-Hopkins are no talent bums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howie58 Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 40 minutes ago, Fizz said: I don't know...Edmonton kinda has some talented players. Unless you think McDavid, Draisaitl, Puljujarvi and Nugent-Hopkins are no talent bums. The skinny seems to be lousy goaltending and D. Maybe it was time to move on. I seem to recall that he did a great job in Arizona without a lot of talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrittyForever Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 47 minutes ago, Fizz said: I don't know...Edmonton kinda has some talented players. Unless you think McDavid, Draisaitl, Puljujarvi and Nugent-Hopkins are no talent bums. and who else? Seriously who? Nurse? Edmonton is all in on 2 star players who are 2 of the best in the league, but after that, the roster is pretty thin and even bad. If the big 2 have an off night or get shut down it's over, they lose. Nobody can coach that. If they are looking at veteran coaches, Claude julien might get a look, but if I had to guess, I'd guess Tocchet. Not my choice, but it might be there's. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 5 hours ago, Fizz said: Puljujarvi He qualifies as bum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 14 hours ago, OccamsRazor said: Which if they choose the first option that should push them to 18 mill then they can sign Rosto to a 8 year 9 mill per season deal that should improve gate sales... They do that and this gate will definitely sail. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizz Posted February 12, 2022 Author Share Posted February 12, 2022 11 hours ago, GrittyForever said: and who else? Seriously who? Nurse? Edmonton is all in on 2 star players who are 2 of the best in the league, but after that, the roster is pretty thin and even bad. If the big 2 have an off night or get shut down it's over, they lose. Nobody can coach that. If they are looking at veteran coaches, Claude julien might get a look, but if I had to guess, I'd guess Tocchet. Not my choice, but it might be there's. Would trade their roster for ours any day of the week. To clarify I despise the Oilers but I don't think talent is their problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 10 minutes ago, Fizz said: Would trade their roster for ours any day of the week. To clarify I despise the Oilers but I don't think talent is their problem. If you took Draisaitl and McJesus out of that trade and offered me the rest of that team, I wouldn't take it. RNH included. Their defense is at least as terrible as ours and our 4th line is arguably as good as theirs or better. But if they had better goaltending they'd at least be making the playoffs. They need better goaltending and better defense. The rest would likely take care of itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 45 minutes ago, ruxpin said: If you took Draisaitl and McJesus out of that trade If you don't count Elon Musks money and assets I'm richer than him. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 5 minutes ago, flyercanuck said: If you don't count Elon Musks money and assets I'm richer than him. If you don't count this one you write good posts 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 17 minutes ago, ruxpin said: If you don't count this one you write good posts Just that one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 1 hour ago, flyercanuck said: Just that one? If you didn't know me, you'd think I was being kind. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrittyForever Posted February 12, 2022 Share Posted February 12, 2022 3 hours ago, Fizz said: Would trade their roster for ours any day of the week. To clarify I despise the Oilers but I don't think talent is their problem. It's a weak bottom half and a lack of character in that half. First, you go nowhere these days without good goaltending, and they don't have it. Second, you need defensive depth. Can't rely on one pairing and a bunch of puck movers, you need a solid core of defenders. Third, you don't win with JUST a top line or two of high end talent. You need the muckers and the character guys to go with them. Tampa didn't win the cup because of Stamkos and Kucherov alone, they needed Gourde and Point and those 3rd and 4th line role players. Edmonton doesn't have that. Not even close. over the years, despite lucking out for McDavid and getting it right on Draisaitl, they have drafted very poorly and it shows. Especially their D. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizz Posted February 13, 2022 Author Share Posted February 13, 2022 6 hours ago, GrittyForever said: It's a weak bottom half and a lack of character in that half. First, you go nowhere these days without good goaltending, and they don't have it. Second, you need defensive depth. Can't rely on one pairing and a bunch of puck movers, you need a solid core of defenders. Third, you don't win with JUST a top line or two of high end talent. You need the muckers and the character guys to go with them. Tampa didn't win the cup because of Stamkos and Kucherov alone, they needed Gourde and Point and those 3rd and 4th line role players. Edmonton doesn't have that. Not even close. over the years, despite lucking out for McDavid and getting it right on Draisaitl, they have drafted very poorly and it shows. Especially their D. Well here is the thing. Their top for are head and shoulders above the Flyers top 4 so lines 1 and 2 goes to Edmonton. Pretty sure their 3rd line is better than the Flyers 3rd. I will give you the Flyers 4th is better as I don't know. The Flyers defence is no raving hell being anchored by the likes of Ristolainen, Yandle and Provorov. The flyers might have an edge in goaltending but it's hard to tell the way Hart is playing. Don't get me wrong I would be happy if the Oilers never make the playoffs again, but all in all they have way more talent and are younger than the Flyers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrittyForever Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 3 hours ago, Fizz said: Well here is the thing. Their top for are head and shoulders above the Flyers top 4 so lines 1 and 2 goes to Edmonton. Pretty sure their 3rd line is better than the Flyers 3rd. I will give you the Flyers 4th is better as I don't know. The Flyers defence is no raving hell being anchored by the likes of Ristolainen, Yandle and Provorov. The flyers might have an edge in goaltending but it's hard to tell the way Hart is playing. Don't get me wrong I would be happy if the Oilers never make the playoffs again, but all in all they have way more talent and are younger than the Flyers. So your basic argument is the bottom of the barrel is better than the sludge stuck to the bottom below it? Fair enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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