Popular Post yave1964 Posted March 1, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 1, 2022 Lots of pundits were convinced that the Flyers would be in the thick of things this year, instead they are buried in the standings at 16-24-10 dead last in the Metropolitan. The question is how? As an outsider looking in, here is what I would say are the top ten reasons the season went off the rails. 10: CARTER HART WAS GOOD BUT NOT GREAT AND MARTIN JONES IS MARTIN JONES How much of the goaltending you can blame on the defense is debatable but truth is Hart actually has had a very decent year with his goals against dropping from 3.67 to 2.90 this year which is very significant. Jones had the exact same season that he had for the past four in San Jose. Ok backup but didnt bring anything much to the table. 9. RISTO, YANDLE AND ELLIS WERE A MASSIVE FAILURE The trio was brought in to add veteran depth to the blueline, Yandle is minus 31 and looks old, like really old, like ancient. Elllis cannot stay on the ice after teasing with 5 points in 4 games, and Risto, for the overpay that they gave Buffalo looks ordinary and will possibly walk at years end. Oh and to make room for these guys they let Ghost go who is having a damn fine year in Arizona. 8 THE CENTER POSITION WAS DECIMATED BY INJURIES Couturier couldnt stay on the ice and is gone for the year, Kevin Hayes followed up a surprisingly solid year with an injury ravaged year and looks glacially slow when he is out there. Giroux has been forced into a role that at 33 he can no longer filll. 7 TOO MANY NON NHL PLAYERS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE ROSTER. Look, I like feel good stories like the Hamburgler getting his first NHL win in four years in Montreal or some guy coming out of nowhere to earn an NHL job, this isnt that. The bottom line is Seeler is 28 with his 3rd organization and cannot play, Mayhew is 29 and before this year had 7 games worth of late season callup action, Macewen is 25 and has played 50 games with 1 goal and is awful in every aspect as a 4th liner excepting the occasional fight. Willman at 26 is seeing his first NHL action and has done nothing to show why. Nate Thompson at 36 used to be tenacious 4th liner now he is a broken down cowboy who will retire at years end or go to Europe. Patrick Brown at 29 is getting his first crack at a full year in the NHL and nobody knows why. Connauton is 31 and his last NHL goal was over three years ago. 26 NHL games this year without a single point. The problem isnt any one of these, it is EVERY one of these. None are NHLers, within two years every one of these guys will be gone from the NHL for keeps and will not be missed. Seeler, Mayhew, MacEwen, Willman, Thompson, Brown, Connauton are not only poor quality, none bring anything to the table and when the players above them have to lug these slugs around, their game suffers as well. 6. VIGNEAULT COULDNT FIGURE IT OUT, YEO COULDNT BUY A CLUE Vigneault has been around forever and a day and has been a decent coach making the playoffs much more often than not and usually having somewhat deep runs, he couldnt get the buttons to push this year and was gone for it. Yeo in two other stops has proven to be hopeless and will likely be gone and quickly forgotten at seasons end. 5. THE KIDS ARE ALRIGHT, JUST ALRIGHT. Lots of kids are getting their more or less first action and are doing okay but not pushing the envelope. Farabee has been good and shows promise but has 19 points in 34 games which is okay but dont move the needle. Frost hasnt embarrassed himself but hasnt shown a ton either. Same with Ratcliffe. Same with York. Same with Cates. Same with Bunnaman. Wade Allison went into the season with big dreams that were derailed by injuries and has played 1 game. All of these kids likely have a top nine future with the team but for this year havent done enough to offset the other injuries and disfunction of a lot of the vets. 4. VETERANS GOING THROUGH THE MOTIONS JVR looks like he is just playing for a paycheck, Braun, Hell I dont watch every Flyer game religiously but I dont know If I have noticed Braun this year other than when he is digging the puck out of the net from a goal where someone blew past him. The team seems to be old slow and complcent and the kids arent quite ready to push them aside. 3.INJURIES Look, I dont like it when teams blame injuries but the Flyers had their share, Hayes, Couts and Ellis could have made a difference, Allison looked like top six late last year and instead has had a lost year. So three top six forwards including two who control the dot and your number one defender who came over to escape the shadow of Roman Josi and who couldnt stay on the ice.Those four if they had solid years could have been enough to have kept them fighting for a bottom tier playoff spot. Maybe anyway. Seriously, Couts with 60 points and killing it at both ends of the ice, Hayes with 50 andin spite of being so damn slow always seeming to wind up in the right spot, Ryan Ellis with a chip on his shoulder looking early on as if he were going to score 50 points from the point before being decimated. Allison looking so damn good late last year not even an afterthought. Again, not much on blaming injuries but it is relevant. 2. PROMISING KIDS TURNED INTO ORDINARY VETERANS. Look, Provorov could play for me any day but he is a good player who looks to have peaked at that level, a 2 or 3 on the back end. Konecny is a middle six winger,the upside he once showed just isnt there, he is middle six, good but nothing more. Sanheim has finally broken through but as a good 2 or 3, maybe a 4 on the back end forced to punch above his head because of injuries. Lindblom is what he is. In other words, while all of the above can play, none is as good as early promise once showed. 1. CHUCK FLETCHER DID AN AWFUL JOB OF PUTTING A TEAM TOGETHER Lets take a look at the moves he made RISTO from the Sabres for Hagg, a first and a second, with Risto an UFA at years end. Really. ELLIS from the Preds for Myers and Patrick. Okay, this one isnt him so much as the unfortunate imjuries. ATKINSON for Jake in a deal with the CBJ. Ok, this wasnt bad Jake is an assist machine in Columbus and Atkinson is having a solid year in Philly. Close to a wash, maybe a slight edge to Philly MARTIN JONES signed as an UFA. Everyone knows he cannot play except apparently Fletcher YANDLE he reminds me of Mike Greens last few years stumbling around in Detroit. That is not a compliment. BRASSARD brought in for veteran depth. Hasnt been an NHL player in at least three years. He just cannot play anymore. NATE THOMPSON brought in, he is 30 percent worse than Brassard. So a good one (atkinson) a what might have been (Ellis) a waaayyyyy overpay that might set the team back for years and the plyer might walk anyway (Risto) and a bunch of wht the Hell was he thinking. So looking at it clinically, not sure where all the promise was. I suppose of the three centers were all on their game, Ellis balanced out the defnese, Provorov took another step, the goaltending improved, Konecny found another gear, JVR and Braun decided to play again, it mighta been different. If a couple of the kids broke out in a big way instead of struggling like most rookies do it woulda helped. But this team now looks too old and slow on one side of the ledger and too young and green on the other. It is poorly built and with Fletcher in charge I doubt that will change soon. 3 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ruxpin Posted March 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 2, 2022 Flyers season, where the Hell did it go wrong? 7:00 Friday, October 15, 2021 Lauren Hart sang the national anthem. 7:05 it.went.wrong. 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 Going in I was at least curious about this team for the first time in five(?) years. Injury did them no favors. Ellis c/should have made more of a difference. Losing the top two centers is crippling for any team. Vigneault was charged with making the playoffs, not developing players. Thus Yandle and Brassard we're put in positions they were simply not suited for as he sought vets he knew over youngsters. Ristolainen was a huge swing and a big miss. One they apparently are trying to double down on. In the end, they were focused on their Phillyosophy of making the playoffs and anything can happen. They still believe you don't build a winner, you buy one. Which has some validity when you are adding players around a Crosby and Malkin, Ovechkin and Backstrom, Toews and Kane, Stamkos and Kucherov and your defense includes home grown players like Letang, Carlson, Keith, and Hedman. The Flyers haven't had that caliber of top pair or top D. And they were competing against teams that did. Lather. Rinse. Repeat this off-season. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TropicalFruitGirl26 Posted March 2, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 2, 2022 (edited) Even though I don't particularly care for the Flyers, I've got too many Flyer fans on here that I like, am fond of and respect their opinions and views for me to just "dump" on the team. So I will say this, with all due courtesy to my Flyer friends here: The Flyers have been going "wrong" for awhile now. Bad contract compounded with bad contract, compounded with trades that either weakened the organization, or simply weren't "the time" to do those types of trades...you know, the kind where you sell out some futures for the chance to win NOW. Philly never really was ready to "win now" and that goes back quite a number of seasons. Even with the sparks of goodness that was shown with certain players, the bottom line was, its foundation was just not there. And as some Flyer fans have opened my eyes to, the front office and ownership, the head of the dragon if you would, was not, and still is not, quite right. Teams like the Rangers, Wild, Red Wings, Senators, and I suspect soon, the Canadiens, tore things down and are in various states of rebuilding and look to be trending upwards....thanks to recognizing foundation problems, biting the bullet, and addressing them. Flyers have not done that, don't look like they are going to in the foreseeable and that is a sad thing for our Flyer friends here. Philadelphia COULD have gotten away with a "retool" if it was done carefully and professionally, to extend the usefulness of guys like Giroux, Couturier, or even Voracek before he was traded, but obviously, that was not the case. Bringing in guys like Hayes, JVR, Risto, as examples, just because they offered ONE or TWO things they did really well, while failing in double the amount of others was simply not the answers. Some of the media hyped the team, based on some good runs in recent season (or at least PARTS of those seasons), just like they hyped others in hockey hotbed markets like NY and Denver...but the difference of course is, those teams either had good players and strong foundation in place and have been adding to it, or did a tear down/rebuild like I mentioned earlier. Philly is not, nor were they during the span of the last few seasons, anywhere close to that. They don't have the right mix of vets to help buoy the new blood that came in or is coming in, dumped WAY too much responsibility on certain young players well before they were really ready to handle it, and of course, there is that front office again..... I figure, at some point, the Flyers will recognize the real problem and do something with it. I mean...you'd THINK they would. But that might still take awhile as long as the FO still thinks they are a viable contender that just needs a thing or two. And for that, I honestly do feel bad for my Flyer friends here, even if my own fandom could care less if the Flyer team sits at the bottom of the standings. Long suffering fans? Perhaps. Flyer fans are now 4th, I believe, on the current list of fanbases in the midst of a drought, still waiting to win again. Edited March 2, 2022 by TropicalFruitGirl26 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notfondajane Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 3 hours ago, TropicalFruitGirl26 said: Even though I don't particularly care for the Flyers, I've got too many Flyer fans on here that I like, am fond of and respect their opinions and views for me to just "dump" on the team. So I will say this, with all due courtesy to my Flyer friends here: The Flyers have been going "wrong" for awhile now. Bad contract compounded with bad contract, compounded with trades that either weakened the organization, or simply weren't "the time" to do those types of trades...you know, the kind where you sell out some futures for the chance to win NOW. Philly never really was ready to "win now" and that goes back quite a number of seasons. Even with the sparks of goodness that was shown with certain players, the bottom line was, its foundation was just not there. And as some Flyer fans have opened my eyes to, the front office and ownership, the head of the dragon if you would, was not, and still is not, quite right. Teams like the Rangers, Wild, Red Wings, Senators, and I suspect soon, the Canadiens, tore things down and are in various states of rebuilding and look to be trending upwards....thanks to recognizing foundation problems, biting the bullet, and addressing them. Flyers have not done that, don't look like they are going to in the foreseeable and that is a sad thing for our Flyer friends here. Philadelphia COULD have gotten away with a "retool" if it was done carefully and professionally, to extend the usefulness of guys like Giroux, Couturier, or even Voracek before he was traded, but obviously, that was not the case. Bringing in guys like Hayes, JVR, Risto, as examples, just because they offered ONE or TWO things they did really well, while failing in double the amount of others was simply not the answers. Some of the media hyped the team, based on some good runs in recent season (or at least PARTS of those seasons), just like they hyped others in hockey hotbed markets like NY and Denver...but the difference of course is, those teams either had good players and strong foundation in place and have been adding to it, or did a tear down/rebuild like I mentioned earlier. Philly is not, nor were they during the span of the last few seasons, anywhere close to that. They don't have the right mix of vets to help buoy the new blood that came in or is coming in, dumped WAY too much responsibility on certain young players well before they were really ready to handle it, and of course, there is that front office again..... I figure, at some point, the Flyers will recognize the real problem and do something with it. I mean...you'd THINK they would. But that might still take awhile as long as the FO still thinks they are a viable contender that just needs a thing or two. And for that, I honestly do feel bad for my Flyer friends here, even if my own fandom could care less if the Flyer team sits at the bottom of the standings. Long suffering fans? Perhaps. Flyer fans are now 4th, I believe, on the current list of fanbases in the midst of a drought, still waiting to win again. Being a Pens fan,, I could relate to the Flyers struggles. We went through this for about 25 years or so. With a couple of bankruptcy. I hated to see them go through that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 9 hours ago, ruxpin said: Flyers season, where the Hell did it go wrong? 7:00 Friday, October 15, 2021 Lauren Hart sang the national anthem. 7:05 it.went.wrong. Dec 3 2018 Flyers sign Chuck Fletcher as GM. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 3 hours ago, flyercanuck said: Dec 3 2018 Flyers sign Chuck Fletcher as GM. Yeah, that really is closer to reality Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyer4ever Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 When Keith Allen retired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tucson83 Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 (edited) 13 hours ago, TropicalFruitGirl26 said: Even though I don't particularly care for the Flyers, I've got too many Flyer fans on here that I like, am fond of and respect their opinions and views for me to just "dump" on the team. So I will say this, with all due courtesy to my Flyer friends here: The Flyers have been going "wrong" for awhile now. Bad contract compounded with bad contract, compounded with trades that either weakened the organization, or simply weren't "the time" to do those types of trades...you know, the kind where you sell out some futures for the chance to win NOW. Philly never really was ready to "win now" and that goes back quite a number of seasons. Even with the sparks of goodness that was shown with certain players, the bottom line was, its foundation was just not there. And as some Flyer fans have opened my eyes to, the front office and ownership, the head of the dragon if you would, was not, and still is not, quite right. Teams like the Rangers, Wild, Red Wings, Senators, and I suspect soon, the Canadiens, tore things down and are in various states of rebuilding and look to be trending upwards....thanks to recognizing foundation problems, biting the bullet, and addressing them. Flyers have not done that, don't look like they are going to in the foreseeable and that is a sad thing for our Flyer friends here. Philadelphia COULD have gotten away with a "retool" if it was done carefully and professionally, to extend the usefulness of guys like Giroux, Couturier, or even Voracek before he was traded, but obviously, that was not the case. Bringing in guys like Hayes, JVR, Risto, as examples, just because they offered ONE or TWO things they did really well, while failing in double the amount of others was simply not the answers. Some of the media hyped the team, based on some good runs in recent season (or at least PARTS of those seasons), just like they hyped others in hockey hotbed markets like NY and Denver...but the difference of course is, those teams either had good players and strong foundation in place and have been adding to it, or did a tear down/rebuild like I mentioned earlier. Philly is not, nor were they during the span of the last few seasons, anywhere close to that. They don't have the right mix of vets to help buoy the new blood that came in or is coming in, dumped WAY too much responsibility on certain young players well before they were really ready to handle it, and of course, there is that front office again..... I figure, at some point, the Flyers will recognize the real problem and do something with it. I mean...you'd THINK they would. But that might still take awhile as long as the FO still thinks they are a viable contender that just needs a thing or two. And for that, I honestly do feel bad for my Flyer friends here, even if my own fandom could care less if the Flyer team sits at the bottom of the standings. Long suffering fans? Perhaps. Flyer fans are now 4th, I believe, on the current list of fanbases in the midst of a drought, still waiting to win again. problem is hextall's failure to draft players, every player he drafted has no offensive skill, it was all pretty much grit and grind type of players, he never drafted snipers. none can score because there's no skill and you can say we need top talent well yeah but you can still need skill all over the roster not just one or two players. look at tampa, all their depth players are scoring and they are not top 5 players, it's about speed and skill. if we had that now, we wouldnt be here. it's ridiculous to be blaming fletch for hextall's drafted players, when he fletch's drafted players are playing well with the wild. besides york, none of fletchers drafted players are on the roster. the only reason fletch had to settle for hayes, ellis, nisky is because hextall refused to go after dougie and ror for peanuts. if he did that, i dont think fletch would have to settle for these players. am i shocked? no, i saw this coming way back in 2016. Edited March 2, 2022 by tucson83 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 29 minutes ago, tucson83 said: problem is hextall's failure to draft players, every player he drafted has no offensive skill, it was all pretty much grit and grind type of players, he never drafted snipers. none can score because there's no skill and you can say we need top talent well yeah but you can still need skill all over the roster not just one or two players. look at tampa, all their depth players are scoring and they are not top 5 players, it's about speed and skill. if we had that now, we wouldnt be here. it's ridiculous to be blaming fletch for hextall's drafted players, when he fletch's drafted players are playing well with the wild. besides york, none of fletchers drafted players are on the roster. the only reason fletch had to settle for hayes, ellis, nisky is because hextall refused to go after dougie and ror for peanuts. if he did that, i dont think fletch would have to settle for these players. am i shocked? no, i saw this coming way back in 2016. Konecny scored 24 goals 3 years in a row. He's now on pace for, what, 11? Provorov tied for the NHL lead in goals. He's on pace for 7. Lindblom was our top scorer when he went down with cancer. The Wild are playing well because of 1 fluke draft pick by Fletcher, and a bunch of guys the new GM brought in. So no, Fletchers guys aren't the reason for the Wilds dramatic turnaround since he left. Other than Kaprizov. We've been over this last week. As for the Hayes of the team, that's Fletchers M.O. Sign bad contracts. He's great at it. That and getting raped in trades. His drafting is too early to tell in Philly. But trading away 1sts and 2nds, for bums, isn't going to help his cause. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 (edited) 50 minutes ago, tucson83 said: when he fletch's drafted players are playing well with the wild There are five Fletcher picks still on the Wild, including Kahkonen, Dumba, Eriksson Ek, Greenway, and, of course, Kaprizov (a player every team in the NHL passed on at least four times). Only Kaprizov has more goals per game than Konecny. Provorov has virtually the same points per game as Dumba (and they were both picked at #7). Farabee and Konecny both have higher points per game than Eriksson Ek and Greenway. And Hart is a three year starter which Kahkonen (who I quite like) is still a backup. Allison, Frost, and Radcliff are just starting to make an impact on the NHL roster and were just cited by Fletcher and Briere as players to expect on the roster next season. It's fashionable to blame Hextall for everything, but your point doesn't really hold up under scrutiny. Edited March 2, 2022 by radoran 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tucson83 Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 3 minutes ago, radoran said: There are four Fletcher picks still on the Wild, including Kahkonen, Dumba, Eriksson Ek, and, of course, Kaprizov (a player every team in the NHL passed on at least four times). Only Kaprizov has more goals per game than Konecny. Provorov has virtually the same points per game as Dumba (and they were both picked at #7). Farabee and Konecny both have higher points per game than Eriksson Ek. And Hart is a three year starter which Kahkonen (who I quite like) is still a backup. Allison, Frost, and Radcliff are just starting to make an impact on the NHL roster and were just cited by Fletcher and Briere as players to expect on the roster next season. It's fashionable to blame Hextall for everything, but your point doesn't really hold up under scrutiny. passing on makar and pastrnak that's justifiable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 5 minutes ago, radoran said: There are five Fletcher picks still on the Wild, including Kahkonen, Dumba, Eriksson Ek, Greenway, and, of course, Kaprizov (a player every team in the NHL passed on at least four times). Only Kaprizov has more goals per game than Konecny. Provorov has virtually the same points per game as Dumba (and they were both picked at #7). Farabee and Konecny both have higher points per game than Eriksson Ek and Greenway. And Hart is a three year starter which Kahkonen (who I quite like) is still a backup. Allison, Frost, and Radcliff are just starting to make an impact on the NHL roster and were just cited by Fletcher and Briere as players to expect on the roster next season. It's fashionable to blame Hextall for everything, but your point doesn't really hold up under scrutiny. To add, Hextall was far from great. But he at least left the Flyers with plenty of prospects, and all their draft picks. He had a couple of bad contracts, which is far less than what he walked into. Or what Fletcher has done in 3 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, tucson83 said: passing on makar and pastrnak that's justifiable? Lol...Neither of them were on anyones radar for where Philly picked. In hindsight sure, we're all great GMs years later. Edited March 2, 2022 by flyercanuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 4 minutes ago, tucson83 said: passing on makar and pastrnak that's justifiable? I'm not "justifying" anything. Hextall was far from perfect. No GM is. 24 teams passed on Pastrnak. Dallas took Heiskanen over Makar. Your point was that Fletcher's picks were doing better on the Wild than Hextall's on the Flyers. That was shown to be statistically incorrect. If we're talking 20/20 hindsight, what about Aho, Point, and deBrincat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 9 minutes ago, tucson83 said: passing on makar and pastrnak that's justifiable? Colorado took Makar right? You know who they took instead of Pasternak, 2 picks before him? Connor Bleakley, who's never set foot in the NHL. WTF, right? Boston took Pasternak, right? In the 2015 draft they had 3 picks in a row, taking Zboril/Debrusk/Senyshyn. The next 3 draft picks were Barzal/Connor/Chabot. Why didn't they take them? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 12 minutes ago, flyercanuck said: Colorado took Makar right? You know who they took instead of Pasternak, 2 picks before him? Connor Bleakley, who's never set foot in the NHL. WTF, right? Boston took Pasternak, right? In the 2015 draft they had 3 picks in a row, taking Zboril/Debrusk/Senyshyn. The next 3 draft picks were Barzal/Connor/Chabot. Why didn't they take them? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 6 hours ago, flyercanuck said: Dec 3 2018 Flyers sign Chuck Fletcher as GM. Nope wrong date. You have to go further back. Try May 7th 2014. Instead of being fired he was promoted to president of the Flyers and you know who i am talking about. That was the big mistep...and that was on Ed Snider he didn't have the sack to do what needed to be done and they have been paying for that ever since... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 10 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said: That was the big mistep...and that was on Ed Snider he didn't have the sack to do what needed to be done You mean hiring Clarke's protege to replace Clarke, moving Clarke into Senior Hockey Advisor, then firing Clarke's protege and moving him to Senior Hockey Advisor, and declaring that we will continue to do things the way we've always done them didn't work out? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 8 minutes ago, radoran said: You mean hiring Clarke's protege to replace Clarke, moving Clarke into Senior Hockey Advisor, then firing Clarke's protege and moving him to Senior Hockey Advisor, and declaring that we will continue to do things the way we've always done them didn't work out? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 10 minutes ago, radoran said: You mean hiring Clarke's protege to replace Clarke, moving Clarke into Senior Hockey Advisor, then firing Clarke's protege and moving him to Senior Hockey Advisor, and declaring that we will continue to do things the way we've always done them didn't work out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 1 minute ago, ruxpin said: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 8 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said: You sure? I mean, just because it's never worked in the history of mankind doesn't mean it's not a great idea. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 9 hours ago, flyercanuck said: But trading away 1sts and 2nds, for bums, isn't going to help his cause *bum Singular. And that bum hasn't been terrible. -But that was a steep price for a #4. No question. I'm specifically alluding to the trading of a first. I would do the Braun trade again. He's been good and if that word is not negative enough for you, he has not been bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, mojo1917 said: *bum Singular. And that bum hasn't been terrible. -But that was a steep price for a #4. No question. I'm specifically alluding to the trading of a first. I would do the Braun trade again. He's been good and if that word is not negative enough for you, he has not been bad. Well Fletchers only had 3-1sts to trade....so far. He did manage to throw in 2 - 2nds to acquire the bum who hasn't been terrible, he just doesn't know how to play his position. I'm glad for you if you're happy with Chuck. It's nice to see the Flyers (looks for positivity) 5th in the standings (from the bottom) after he went all in on the season. Here's hoping the not so terrible guy who is already grossly overpaid takes Chucks 6 year $6.3 million offer so the Flyers can (looks for more positive vibes) be the #1 team ...at having the worst contracts in the league. You can tell the long time Flyer fans on this board...we've all been beaten down by this same ol' blueprint that has never worked and that same ol' Fletcher has reopened and we've just had enough of it. And the results are...obvious. I can honestly say this is the lousiest product I've ever seen the Flyers put on the ice. And that's with the guy you're defending going all in on this season. I wish I could see the silver lining in the cloud you're seeing, but I can't through the monsoon of Ristolainens and Yandles and Haysees. I hope I'm not coming across like a jerk, you're a good member here. Just trying to joke around during a season without much to cheer about, unless you're a big fan of those 10 game losing streaks. Edited March 3, 2022 by flyercanuck 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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