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*** 2021-22 Playoffs Opening Round: Tampa Bay Lightning (A3) at Toronto Maple Leafs (A2) - (TBL WIN 4-3) ***


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  1. 1. Whose History Gets Enhanced This Series?

    • 1- Lightning win in 4 proving once again, Leaves® in the NHL always fall in Spring
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    • 2- Lightning in 5... Toronto shows a bit of game, but still, not anywhere near enough to get by the defending champs
    • 3- Lightning in 6. Leafs play tough, play hard, but the cool n calm Bolts show them how it's done anyways.
    • 4- Lightning in 7. Epic series filled with tough play, fancy goals, stellar goaltending....but sees Toronto fall just short.
    • 5- Leafs in 4. New Toronto, old Tampa Bay. Leafs on a mission!
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    • 6- Leafs in 5. Bolts can't quite come up with the right formula this time, and Toronto looks damned good putting away the defending champs.
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    • 7- Leafs in 6. Great series that sees the Maple Leafs seemingly always a step ahead of the Lightning
    • 8- Leafs in 7. Toronto caps a great series doing something no one has been able to do in a long time: Close out Vasilevskiy and his crew. Leafs nation is ecstatic at home!
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1 hour ago, 3 Palmateers said:

Love the confidence and bulletin board material. Pride before a fall. 

 

Did JC think he was speaking after the 8-1 regular season win, or after Game 2?  I guess he sees only potting 2 in Game 3 an anomaly. 

 

Not sure home ice matters very much. Both teams have won in the other's building. 

 

Leafs believe 5v5 they're the better team. If that's true, staying out of the box is how Toronto wins this series. 

 

Campbell is a total wildcard like most goailes but he's even more of one. He's been both all-star and "out of the league" (with his play) all in the same season. He truly is the "box of chocolates" goalie. 

 

Who knows what happens in Game 4? As TFG pointed out, Tampa's bounce-back streak is on the line, again. They came through after Game 1 with a resounding win. I like the Leafs on the road more than I like them at home. Went up 3-1 on Montreal last season, and wouldn't be surprised if they left Tampa the same, nor would I if they blew another 3-1 series lead. 

 

EDIT: I'm going to have to start listening to Cooper's pressers. This is some good stuff...

 

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Jon Cooper's come a LONG way from that former lawyer who won at every level before the NHL by throwing out there the very best talented players he had.
The NHL is more than just about who is the most talented.
It is about who has intangibles like attitude, swagger, momentum, grit, and just overall being more than the sum of their parts....even if those parts are high end like the Lightning have.

Took him awhile to figure that out at the NHL level, but he has, and now, it seems, he has discovered something else:
Generalship in the media.

That idea of a coach running his mouth a bit, simply to deflect attention away and relieving pressure on his guys on the ice.
Having the media focus on that 'loud bag' coach while players continue to work on things, and guys getting to where they need to be (Stamkos, Point, and Kucherov, Killorn, for example, are NOT the playoff monsters they usually are so far...and Vasy has been ordinary to good...not great as he is accustomed).

John Tortorella used that tactic. Ken Hitchcock used that tactice.... I believe others such as Mike Babcock and even Joel Quenneville.
If their big players are in a rut, if the team as a whole isn't doing what its coach deems it could do, it might be time to fire off some item to the media where the other team may take exception with that coach (Jon Cooper).....when their attention should still be squarely on the players (the defending champion Lightning!).

Will it work?
Who knows....but at this point, Cooper knows things don't get easier, and teams can smell the blood of the defending Champs possibly not being around much longer to defend the title.... plus the Leafs have played well and seem here with a completely different, better, winning attitude.
So can't hurt if Cooper tries.

At the end of the day, players on the ice will decide who is better and who has the last laugh, but yea, Cooper has mostly stood away from the media (good idea most of the time), but there HAVE been times when the TB fanbase wishes he'd be more of a-hole if it helps fire up some emotion on his guys and maybe piss off the opposition a little.
Seems he is trying that now.

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Nobody cares, but I'm going to type it anyway. I wasn't supposed to see this game, and I'm kind of disappointed I had to watch the 5th straight year of ultimate game futility from this club.    Today, was our firstborn's birthday. He's older but still a child, mentally speaking(autism). His birthday is a big deal to him even at an age where he shouldn't be quite so interested in it anymore. So, my wife and other kids decided there would be no hockey for me on his birthday. We spent the

Putting aside all the sports trash talk nonsense for a bit, a genuine Happy Birthday to your child. Doggie incident aside for the family of course. From one parent of an autistic child to another. We truly understand being accepting and our child's, and yours, different outlook on life.

The Leaf fans, have become Kampftorably Numb.

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Jon Cooper's come a LONG way from that former lawyer who won at every level before the NHL by throwing out there the very best talented players he had.
The NHL is more than just about who is the most talented.
It is about who has intangibles like attitude, swagger, momentum, grit, and just overall being more than the sum of their parts....even if those parts are high end like the Lightning have.

Took him awhile to figure that out at the NHL level, but he has, and now, it seems, he has discovered something else:
Generalship in the media.

That idea of a coach running his mouth a bit, simply to deflect attention away and relieving pressure on his guys on the ice.
Having the media focus on that 'loud bag' coach while players continue to work on things, and guys getting to where they need to be (Stamkos, Point, and Kucherov, Killorn, for example, are NOT the playoff monsters they usually are so far...and Vasy has been ordinary to good...not great as he is accustomed).

John Tortorella used that tactic. Ken Hitchcock used that tactice.... I believe others such as Mike Babcock and even Joel Quenneville.
If their big players are in a rut, if the team as a whole isn't doing what its coach deems it could do, it might be time to fire off some item to the media where the other team may take exception with that coach (Jon Cooper).....when their attention should still be squarely on the players (the defending champion Lightning!).

Will it work?
Who knows....but at this point, Cooper knows things don't get easier, and teams can smell the blood of the defending Champs possibly not being around much longer to defend the title.... plus the Leafs have played well and seem here with a completely different, better, winning attitude.
So can't hurt if Cooper tries.

At the end of the day, players on the ice will decide who is better and who has the last laugh, but yea, Cooper has mostly stood away from the media (good idea most of the time), but there HAVE been times when the TB fanbase wishes he'd be more of a-hole if it helps fire up some emotion on his guys and maybe piss off the opposition a little.
Seems he is trying that now.

This smacks of a little desperation and that can be a good thing. 

 

If the Lightning end their bounce-back game streak and go down 3-1, they have the Leafs right where they want them. Ask Corey Perry. 

 

Speaking of Perry (who did it Amalie, also)... This is classic:

 

 

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6 minutes ago, 3 Palmateers said:

This smacks of a little desperation and that can be a good thing. 

 

If the Lightning end their bounce-back game streak and go down 3-1, they have the Leafs right where they want them. Ask Corey Perry. 

 

Speaking of Perry (who did it Amalie, also)... This is classic:

 

 

 

Yep.
A bit of desperation can be a good thing.
Would rather have that than complacency. 

As for Perry...should surprise no one.
Perry doing and saying Perry things.
In fact, I questioned big time why exactly he was on the team earlier in the season as he seemed to be a much more mellow, softer, kinder Perry. The kind of Perry who couldn't buy a goal and was a non factor on the ice.

Crap.... Bolts don't need a kinder, gentler Perry. They need that same a-hole that pissed off so many other people when he was a member of the Ducks, Stars, and Canadiens!
I never really cared for his antics, but if I am going to be honest, I'd rather have those antics working FOR my team rather than against them.
Seriously...if he is gonna be on the team, then he needs to be who he is and all the good and bad that comes with it.

He clearly is no longer the same goal scoring player he used to be, so I will take whatever he can chip in, but the attitude, sandpaper, and yes, A-hole mannerisms can still be razor sharp, and he needs to be that way to continue being effective.

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Teams taking turns napping. 

 

Leafs didn't get the wake up call. Keefe spoke about being greedy. If this is what greed looks like, I wonder what giving would?

 

The good news about being down 3-0 early is it's early. The bad news is it's looking like another 8-1 thumping. 

 

At this point the only question I have is...when will they pull Jack Campbell? When they hit 4 in the 1st?

 

Over in 6? 

 

I wanted this series over in 6, either way. Game 7 is a horrible night for my calendar. Haven't missed a game all season, but I'll have to miss that one. 

 

EDIT: It's 5-0 and Campbell is still in? What for? Keefe is not bright. 

 

 

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EDIT: It's 5-0 and Campbell is still in? What for? Keefe is not bright. 

Agreed.  He should have been pulled after that 3rd goal against.  That 4th goal against was very poor.

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I wonder if there is any thought at all about turning to Kjallgren in Game 5. Campbell has given up 5 in two-of-four games and hasn't looked very good. 

 

Personally, I don't think there's any way you can trust Backup Jack, but the trust in Kjallgren has to be less. 

 

Nylander just scored his 2nd, but I agree with this take. He does do this every pring. Nice he can score 2 meaningless goals. Not the kind of player you win with in the spring. I'd sit the guy in the pivotal/critical Game 5. Gimme someone who wants it despite the drop off in skill-level. 

 

 

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Personally, I don't think there's any way you can trust Backup Jack, but the trust in Kjallgren has to be less. 

Testing Campbell is how you beat the Leafs.  He's the weak link.  Might steal a game.  Might win a game if not tested.  But, if an opponent tests him consistently, his true colors show.

 

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Nylander just scored his 2nd, but I agree with this take. He does do this every pring. Nice he can score 2 meaningless goals. Not the kind of player you win with in the spring. I'd sit the guy in the pivotal/critical Game 5. Gimme someone who wants it despite the drop off in skill-level. 

Yeah.  He seems to me like another clear example of a guy that got his contract raise far too quickly.  And you're right.  He's consistently underperformed in the postseason.  Wasn't a smart contract offer sheet by Dubas.  Maybe he thought Nylander would get that type of offer from another team?  Seems excessive to me, even with him having a career regular season.

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This is almost as good as the hated Steve Simmons (I love him) asking Keefe about why he started his worst defenseman in the post-game presser and his scathing column....(I can say as a fan, I told my old best friend that I was done following the Leafs after Montreal last season. I may live to regret not following through) 

 

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When I saw this match up I got really excited because I knew this was going to be one hell of a series. The Leafs wanted to get the playoffs jinx off their back and what a better way to do it by eliminating the 2 time defending champions. 

 

This is not going to be an easy task at all. The Lightning comes with one of the best goalies in the league and also a top notch D.  The Leafs I believe have a slightly stronger offense which will push them over the top.

 

This series is going to go back and forth and all the way to the end with I hope the Leafs taking it in game 7.  

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On 5/8/2022 at 2:14 PM, TropicalFruitGirl26 said:

Crap.... Bolts don't need a kinder, gentler Perry. They need that same a-hole that pissed off so many other people when he was a member of the Ducks, Stars, and Canadiens!
I never really cared for his antics, but if I am going to be honest, I'd rather have those antics working FOR my team rather than against them.
Seriously...if he is gonna be on the team, then he needs to be who he is and all the good and bad that comes with it.

 

This, 100%.

 

I always disliked him when he was a Duck but he's one main reason why the Stars made it to the final and why the Canadiens made it the year after. He's the one willing to go where it hurts and he seems to be hell of a leader in the room. Plus: he's already won the Cup. The potential deciding X-factor. But he has to stay Perry.

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For anyone who cares, Justin Holl is back in the lineup. There was a debate among Leafs fans whether he would be taken out and the consensus was that no way Keefe would remove him because it would look like Steve Simmons was right and he caved to Simmons opinion. Oddly, he claims he watched the game back 3x in justification of keeping Holl in the lineup. I think he'll regret his decision in less than 8 hours from now.

 

No Simmonds or Clifford tonight. 4th line will be Kase-Blackwell-Spezza, again. Surprised he didn't go back to at least one of Simmonds/Clifford. Very surprised. Past the point of no return... Leafs likely to retain Keefe and Dubas no matter what happens now. The one thing nobody wanted was another close series loss.

 

Will they be waving them or throwing them in?  Can't wait to see...

 

 

 

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They are about to drop the puck.
The talking ESPN heads are saying they expect this contest to "be closer than the previous 4", though they really didn't give a reason as to WHY they were thinking that.

Playing the odds perhaps? Because the first four games were so lopsided in favor of one or the other, that the fourth MUST be closer?
Meh....

I think this series has been going the way it likely should have been....where special teams take center stage, and the team that shows up prepared, beats on the one that isn't.
I think the scores have spelled that out pretty well to this point.

It will take more than just playing well while the other team doesn't for either to win a championship this year, so that is what I will look for in today's game. 
Who makes the improvements and adjustments, and who, FFS, shows up 'on time' for the game.
Not saying that's gonna happen, but what I will look for.

If not, then I expect more of the same....one team shows up, mauls the other with the PP, and we get another mostly one sided affair.

Pressure should be high for both teams:
Leaves® because, well, you know....
And the Lightning.... they are the defending champions and the onus is on them to not only keep winning, but to NOT be the team Toronto finally breaks their awful streak against....

National anthems are over as I finish this post, some more talking going on, but it IS time to put away the nonsense and get down to business....

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Heh...Pat Maroon getting into it with Auston Matthews.

Mr. Matthews best not indulge Mr. Maroon. 
Not because Matthews can't be physical as well (he is a big boy too after all), but because if both he and Maroon get taken off, that is a win for TB ALL NIGHT LONG!

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Stamkos and the Champions strike first!

Kucherov hustles to keep a play alive in the offensive zone, finds open teammates, NOBODY on the Leaves® picks up a late arriving Stamkos... Boom!
1-0 Tampa Bay.

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The superstars are showing up early for the Champs.... Leaves® looking a bit listless out there.

So there we are, at least in the first 10 minutes, one team shows up, the other doesn't, and the one that shows up starts to maul on the PP.
Same as previous games.
Unless Toronto gets their heads out of their maples, it won't be "a close game" as the Nostradummies predicted on ESPN...

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1 minute ago, TropicalFruitGirl26 said:

Unless Toronto gets their heads out of their maples, it won't be "a close game" as the Nostradummies predicted on ESPN...

Lol.  Good stuff!!

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Exactly the worst start the Leafs could have wanted. Down 2-0 on the board, but also the crowd is now completely out of the game and it seems like all the energy is with the Lightning. Something needs to shift very soon. 

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12 minutes ago, Toronto Jules said:

Exactly the worst start the Leafs could have wanted. Down 2-0 on the board, but also the crowd is now completely out of the game and it seems like all the energy is with the Lightning. Something needs to shift very soon. 

 

Toronto dodged a bullet just now with that 5 on 3 against.
Granted, I thought that WAS a bogus call on Giordano, as it appears the refs wanna star in the show as well, but the Bolts, penalty or not, are all kinds of confident and aggressive right now.

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14 minutes ago, FireDillabaugh said:

Lol.  Good stuff!!

 

Hey, I realize ESPN has to 'sell viewerships' by proclaming the ultimate close game, but cmon....are they paying attention?

If a blondie message boarder like me sees it, they gotta see it!
I should go apply and take someone's job over there :shifty: 

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Welp....Michael "Mini Marchand" Bunting went down like a house of cards so it was easy for the officials (who are DEMANDING top billing tonight, dammit! :ph34r:  ) to give Toronto their make up call for the inane cross checking call on Giordano earlier.

Leaves® to the PP...let's see if they actually try to score and not simply try to feed Johnny Pajamas because he hasn't scored yet.
Open man best take the shot...even if that open man is Lyubushkin!

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