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1 hour ago, FireDillabaugh said:

Clearly, you didn't see any Lehigh games this season or even pay attention to the pathetic season they had.  He's not capable of coaching an AHL team, let alone an NHL team.  And, he shouldn't even be considered as a possible choice.  Loved the guy as a player.  He absolutely sucks as a coach.

True statement. Spend most of my time in Florida and have barely followed the Flyers this season much less the Phantoms. I thought Sammuellson was the Phantom Coach.

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Bet the farm on Tocchet.   Six years as head coach. Zero playoff round wins (one playoff round). Team never finished higher than 4th.   "Flyer hockey"   "tough to play against"   yadda yadda   It's been inevitable since he was inducted into the Flyer Hall of Fame next to Homer.   As always, happy to be wrong...

Whoever the brilliant minds bring in to coach, I just hope they get us Connor Bedard.    I'll say Neal Broten. Never coached a day in his life. Minnesota North Stars alltime leading scorer though. And he's from Minnesota. If Homer and Fletch read this, consider it a done deal.

Quenneville should never be aloud to coach in the NHL ever again. After reading a lot of went on with the Hawks. He lost any right to be head coach in NHL. To me he was one the worst enablers in the whole scandal.  I don't believe an NHL team would think it's worth the headache. 

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2 hours ago, flyerrod said:

I thought Sammuellson was the Phantom Coach.

Kjell is involved in Player Development with the organization.  Which, in and of itself, is another questionable decision that hasn't really shown to be paying off much at all.

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Trotz would be fantastic because he brings structure and accountability. That was the problem with Vigneault. There was no structure to his system.  It was dump and char, get back to play defense and dump and chase when you have possession of the puck again. It's simply not sustainable for long term success. And then Vigneault had a tendency to throw young players under the bus. You can't do that when they make mistakes. That's the only way they learn. That's why a guy like Frost was always playing tentative. 

 

Now, I'm not saying Trotz is a great deceleration of young forwards because he's not. His forte is defensemen and our young guys (Provorov, Sanheim, York, Zamula, Attard, Andrae, etc....) would benefit greatly from Trotz. Trotz might be the single guy to get Provorov back on track and that would be HUGE for this franchise. 

 

The other thing with Trotz is that Mitch Korn would be coming along with him and that can only mean brighter things ahead for Hart and Fedotov. 

 

Honestly, if Schmuck Felcher is smart (and even though he's an Ivy League grad, there's some serious question marks there), he's telling Trotz not to worry about playoffs the first year and to come in and establish culture, roles and responsibilities. Get the base/foundation set for what is expected and then go from there. 

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2 minutes ago, BobbyClarkeFan16 said:

That was the problem with Vigneault. There was no structure to his system.  It was dump and char, get back to play defense and dump and chase when you have possession of the puck again.

Couldn't disagree more.  Sorry, but the problem with Vigneault is that he wanted the entire roster to work their butts off to play a puck possession based system, where, when pucks were dumped, they were actually chased to work opposing dmen and regain possession in the offensive zones.  He certainly did have a structure to his system(and a good one at that) and is a good NHL coach.  And, apparently Therrien wasn't the problem with the PP either, which was very clear and simple to see with this team after he was gone.  Unfortunately, this organization has an incompetent front office that, ONCE AGAIN, took the easy way out, listened to the complaining laziness on the roster, and fired a good head coach(see Laviolette) and assistant coach.  All while leaving the one assistant coach(Chuck's "Yes Man") that never should have been offered his assistant job to begin with.

 

7 minutes ago, BobbyClarkeFan16 said:

And then Vigneault had a tendency to throw young players under the bus. You can't do that when they make mistakes. That's the only way they learn. That's why a guy like Frost was always playing tentative. 

When exactly did Vigneault do this?  If anything, he was exactly the opposite, especially when that youth was willing to move their feet and work.  The coach that did what you stated was Hakstol, who only held the youth accountable, while allowing the veterans to make the exact same mistakes and being afraid to hold them accountable.  EXACTLY the opposite of what the expectations were when he was hired.

 

Frost wasn't "playing tentatively".  He was playing poorly at the beginning of the season.  Not willing to shoot pucks on the very few chances he had shooting opportunities.  Not willing to move his feet to be a forechecking presence.  Not capable of doing much when the puck was actually on his stick, which wasn't NEARLY enough.  Being a liability in his own zone, often not knowing where he needs to be, when the team needed it's center to be moving their feet and be on the puck carrier.  And not being very good at all at faceoffs.  None of that had anything to do with Vigneault.  And, it certainly wasn't because he was "thrown under the bus" and not given the chance to learn from his mistakes.

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Well, I guess we add Pete DeBoer to the mix of potential replacements.  His post-season may not inspire, but overall, my impression is favorable.  

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52 minutes ago, Howie58 said:

His post-season may not inspire, but overall, my impression is favorable. 

He's probably a better choice than Tocchet.  But, I'd still rather see Dineen over DeBoer.  Utica had a great regular season.  They're in a must-win situation against Rochester in the playoffs now though.  Big game 4 tomorrow night for them.

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The fact that they didn't start interviews the day after they announced Yeo wouldn't be back is concerning. The fact that they still haven't started interviews is a joke. This franchise really has no plan whatsoever.

 

''Philadelphia is getting closer to starting its interviews. They know how critical this hire is for them, determined to leave no stone unturned in finding the right person. What’s been on their minds is a coach with a strong track record, demands accountability from players, gets buy-in right away, and makes teams harder to play against.

Read More: Trotz a ‘Top Candidate’ for Flyers, Interviews to Start Soon | https://973espn.com/trotz-a-top-candidate-for-flyers-interviews-to-start-soon/?utm_source=tsmclip&utm_medium=referral''

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23 minutes ago, Goon said:

The fact that they didn't start interviews the day after they announced Yeo wouldn't be back is concerning. The fact that they still haven't started interviews is a joke. This franchise really has no plan whatsoever.

 

''Philadelphia is getting closer to starting its interviews. They know how critical this hire is for them, determined to leave no stone unturned in finding the right person. What’s been on their minds is a coach with a strong track record, demands accountability from players, gets buy-in right away, and makes teams harder to play against.

Read More: Trotz a ‘Top Candidate’ for Flyers, Interviews to Start Soon | https://973espn.com/trotz-a-top-candidate-for-flyers-interviews-to-start-soon/?utm_source=tsmclip&utm_medium=referral''

 

Maybe Fletch has been too busy seeing what he can trade his 5th overall pick for?

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Truly, and unfortunately, believe it's because they already had their decision made before firing Yeo.  It's either Tocchet or a Lappy undeserved promotion.  The stupidity among the front office is unmatched in the league.  It's hard to see this situation as anything different.  If it's Tocchet, they had already talked to him, told him the job is his, and that's why nothing has been announced, since they know he isn't going anywhere.  If it's Lappy, no other team is dumb enough to even consider hiring him as their head coach, let alone their AHL head coach.  So, no reason to rush out the announcement of their stupidity.

 

After all, they have to make sure everything is prepared for the propaganda masters to spin it all bright and cheery so the mass gullibility and ignorance among the fanbase buys into it once again.

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The plan should be to amass draft picks and have a shot at Bedard next year. That SHOULD be the plan. However, Chuckles is probably hard at work trying to find another Hayes, another Ellis. With the current roster of players it doesn't matter who the coach is. 

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2 hours ago, FireDillabaugh said:

Truly, and unfortunately, believe it's because they already had their decision made before firing Yeo.  It's either Tocchet or a Lappy undeserved promotion.  The stupidity among the front office is unmatched in the league.  It's hard to see this situation as anything different.  If it's Tocchet, they had already talked to him, told him the job is his, and that's why nothing has been announced, since they know he isn't going anywhere.  If it's Lappy, no other team is dumb enough to even consider hiring him as their head coach, let alone their AHL head coach.  So, no reason to rush out the announcement of their stupidity.

 

After all, they have to make sure everything is prepared for the propaganda masters to spin it all bright and cheery so the mass gullibility and ignorance among the fanbase buys into it once again.

Much like the "blank check" comment, the Flyers public position on the next coach is clearly out there. They have stated there will be changes,  and implied they will be significant.

 

Your point on the "spin" might be dead on. I've considered that also. But after all their blathering, if they blow this, I think serious damage will be done to the fanbase

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3 minutes ago, CoachX said:

Much like the "blank check" comment, the Flyers public position on the next coach is clearly out there. They have stated there will be changes,  and implied they will be significant.

 

There will be changes and they will continue to do things the way they have always done them.

 

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31 minutes ago, CoachX said:

Much like the "blank check" comment, the Flyers public position on the next coach is clearly out there. They have stated there will be changes,  and implied they will be significant.

 

No, the "propaganda position" is clearly out there.  But, anyone who isn't gullible enough to buy the BS that comes from this front office knows, what they say to microphones, and what their propaganda masters write, means absolutely nothing.  What reality shows, with them STILL not holding any interviews at all(if they were, it would be leaked, even beyond the pathetic propaganda writers) ONLY shows their incompetence.  They will, once again, sit on their asses, while other teams get the job done they're paid to do.  And, in turn, this team will have Tocchet or Lappy as their next head coach.  Only waiting to be fired in 2 years, while collecting their paychecks(probably even after they're fired).  There is absolutely nothing that is "publically out there" when it comes to this organization's front office.  There are only more of their lies.  And, they will only continue to make the same mistakes they've made in the past.

 

31 minutes ago, CoachX said:

But after all their blathering, if they blow this, I think serious damage will be done to the fanbase

What are you talking about?  No it won't.  The damage to the fanbase that matters has already been done.  What remains is that gullible, ignorant fanbase that is believing what they're being fed by this front office.  And a Tocchet or Lappy hiring certainly won't "damage" them.  They will only continue to believe the propaganda fed them.  The only damage to the fanbase that will matter is to those corporations that are buying the Luxury Boxes and Club Box tickets.  And, there is absolutely nothing close to any damage being done to that fanbase.  Those corporations are still buying their tickets, even if it's Lappy who is the pathetic head coach of this team.  And, Comcast will only continue to be satisfied with what is going on with this team.

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2 hours ago, FireDillabaugh said:

But, anyone who isn't gullible enough to buy the BS that comes from this front office knows, what they say to microphones, and what their propaganda masters write, means absolutely nothing.

 

You know, the vast majority of people here get it. They know where the Flyers "really" are.

 

Stuck in a painful spiral of mediocrity derived in large part of their own making both through managerial malaise and the unfortunate decision to remove the ability to spend their way out of bad decisions.

 

@CoachXibelieve it or not knows this...

 

2 hours ago, FireDillabaugh said:

What remains is that gullible, ignorant fanbase

 

There were games with less than 10,000 people actually in the stands...

 

It's not the fan base.

 

It's the management of the franchise.

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10 hours ago, flyer4ever said:

The plan should be to amass draft picks and have a shot at Bedard next year. That SHOULD be the plan.

 

Acquiring draft picks is always a good idea but "have a shot at Bedard" isn't exactly a plan now is it? Even if the Flyers finish last the odds are still 3-1 against drawing the #1 pick. Montreal got lucky this year. No guarantee the Flyers will.

 

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I was reading this morning how the Flyers might pass on a guy like Montgomery because, "given their predicament, the Flyers could be eyeing a coach with a lengthy track record. They're not in a position to get too cute with such a major decision"

 

Hmmm...they had a coach like that in Hitchcock, who was fired for Stevens. Then Lavvy, fired for Berube, who was fired for Hak. Then AV who was just fired.

 

Sounds like cute or nostalgic is in their DNA, while head coaches with successful resumes are a dime a dozen

 

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11 hours ago, radoran said:

You know, the vast majority of people here get it. They know where the Flyers "really" are.

Maybe they do.  Maybe they don't.  Either way, I didn't say anything about the vast majority here.  Just about the fanbase itself.  And the "vast majority" of this team's fanbase are not on this site.  The point is, this "damage" that will apparently be done to the fanbase if management screws up this hiring of the head coach just isn't going to happen.  The damage is already done to the fanbase that knows what's going on.  And the only thing that matters to Comcast are those corporate ticket sales.

 

11 hours ago, radoran said:

There were games with less than 10,000 people actually in the stands...

Butts in the seats are definitely not an issue for Comcast.  It's about ticket sales of those Luxury Boxes and Club Box seats to corporations.  And, you can be assured that in those games where there weren't many butts in the seats, those Luxury Box and Club Box tickets WERE sold.  All that matters, unfortunately.

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Part of me would love to see Trots hired. I'm not sure he'd want to come mind you, or that the team currently is in a position to really benefit from his skill, but I won't cry if it turns out he's the coach starting next season.

 

That said, part of me isn't really sure it matters a ton. If he were to be hired, I hope it's on a fairly lengthy contract, and he can stay for some years while the team (hopefully) manages to draft a few studs. I'm pretty doubtful just having Trots will make this into that much better of a team. It feels like a worth a shot moment, but I won't expect a deep playoff run in 2022-23 even if he does get hired. Or, you know, even making the playoffs at all frankly...

 

I'm also curious as to what Giroux will choose to do after this playoffs. If he doesn't come back, it's very hard for me to imagine next season as anything but worse than this one. Trots has coached relatively talent-light teams before, and he's managed to do better than many coaches can (Nashville), but it took him going to a team that had high end talent before he really found success (Washington). 

 

In short, he's a great coach and I would be happy for the hire, but I don't think it would address our main problem of just not having enough top end talent around. Still, I'll take it for sure, and I do hope Fletch has reached out to him already with some very serious offers.

 

And yeah, somehow snagging Bedard in 2023 would be a pretty phenomenal kick start to the rebuild--oh, sorry, "aggressive retool".

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Given the news they're going to interview him, it seems the flyers certainly think Trotz a good option. He could do something good with the team, as long as they stick with him short term. Get him to fix things up, improve team culture, and then move on to the next coach who can then use that setup well

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10 minutes ago, Puck_Pun said:

Given the news they're going to interview him, it seems the flyers certainly think Trotz a good option.

 

Trotz just need leverage in negotiations with Vegas now he has it with Philly.

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12 hours ago, GratefulFlyers said:

 

Acquiring draft picks is always a good idea but "have a shot at Bedard" isn't exactly a plan now is it? Even if the Flyers finish last the odds are still 3-1 against drawing the #1 pick. Montreal got lucky this year. No guarantee the Flyers will.

 

 

 It's still more of a plan than what's been going on with the present, ahem... regime. Michkov is the likely #2 next year...pretty good in his own right. Fantilli. Ritchie. I'd rather have any of those guys to build around than Hayes/Ristolainen/JVR/Atkinson/Ellis combined. Not to mention the $29 million in capspace that you could use on good players who actually play.

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36 minutes ago, flyercanuck said:

 It's still more of a plan than what's been going on with the present, ahem... regime. Michkov is the likely #2 next year...pretty good in his own right. Fantilli. Ritchie. I'd rather have any of those guys to build around than Hayes/Ristolainen/JVR/Atkinson/Ellis combined.

Absolutely agree.  I'd add to your rep, but I've used all mine up for today.  🙁

 

This team would be lucky to get a player like Michkov or Fantilli.  Although, Michkov needs at least two full years of eating pasta every single day.  He is one skinny 5'10", 17 year old.

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3 hours ago, Puck_Pun said:

Given the news they're going to interview him, it seems the flyers certainly think Trotz a good option. He could do something good with the team, as long as they stick with him short term. Get him to fix things up, improve team culture, and then move on to the next coach who can then use that setup well

this has been the Flyers blueprint, dating back to when they hired Hitchcock. Its served them well (smgdh).

 

Wash, Rinse, Repeat

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15 minutes ago, flyercanuck said:

I'd rather have any of those guys to build around than Hayes/Ristolainen/JVR/Atkinson/Ellis combined. ... Not to mention the $29 million in capspace that you could use on good players who actually play.

 

Sure if we're just spitballing but as far as a plan @flyer4ever seemed to imply that the Flyers should tank next year and for players that's a non-starter*. Aside from some mythical TANK I don't see a plan.

 

But maybe I read too much into his post. If the plan is:

1) restock picks

2) draft the guy who five years from now Mr. Clarke says is the one everyone wanted

3) let the retirees retire

4) sign the RFAs

5) then do nothing

I'm all in.

 

Even that won't get the Flyers a top 5 pick because Couturier but it beats going after Kadri, Gaudreau or Kessel. Unless ol' Fletch can sign all 3 hey then we're definitely "right back in it" (as promised).

 

*I don't doubt in 100+ years of NHL games at least one player took a bribe - probably Hayes.

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