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2 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said:

 

Yeah sure they maybe should have traded back on both but you know we have hindsight.

 

But in the Patrick draft i wanted Heiskanen anyways....so i would have missed on Makar too.

Well, don't fret. Tocchet will fix all this

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"There is undeniable optics to this head coaching hire for the Flyers. And bringing in Tocchet would be good optics. Fans showed their frustration and fatigue this season by not showing up. Attendance seriously dwindled as the Flyers' 25-46-11 season plodded to the finish line. Hiring Tocchet, an adored former Flyer who understands what success looks like in Philadelphia, would seemingly reinvigorate the fan base before the first puck is even dropped"   So, we fans are unhapp

Not me. If that happens, it means (A) they are still employing from "The Ol' Boys Network". (B) They aren't going after the best head coach available and so, (C) They are not making a genuine attempt to really improve this hockey club because (D) they are a bunch stupid, ignorant, arrogant jack*sses from Holmgren and Scott, on down through the *Organization. (E) It also likely means that I will continue to not watch them next season, because it will be a (losing) charade.

Phillys been trying to do just that for....47 years. Almost there.

15 hours ago, flyercanuck said:

 

As mentioned, when Richards/Carter were on the farm they won. They also went to a cup with those two 1st round Flyer picks. Then traded them away. 

 

You're not wrong that they've neglected the farm though. Like their big brother, the Phantoms stink too.

That Calder Cup Phantoms team wasn't "built " . Carter and Richards didn't play a full season , they piled on after their CA junior seasons were over.

There was never a "wagon" AHL team .

Lately the Charlotte Checkers have been  beating the hell out of everyone for a good 5 years.

 

Same for the Erie Monsters, Providence Bruins, and Syracuse Crunch. 

When they come to town the beatings commence. 

There is a system in place to develop players for those NHL teams  via their AHL affiliates. 

 

I don't think we're talking about the same idea.

04/05 Phantoms was lightning in a bottle, not the result of organizational planning .

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38 minutes ago, mojo1917 said:

That Calder Cup Phantoms team wasn't "built " . Carter and Richards didn't play a full season , they piled on after their CA junior seasons were over.

There was never a "wagon" AHL team .

Lately the Charlotte Checkers have been  beating the hell out of everyone for a good 5 years.

 

Same for the Erie Monsters, Providence Bruins, and Syracuse Crunch. 

When they come to town the beatings commence. 

There is a system in place to develop players for those NHL teams  via their AHL affiliates. 

 

I don't think we're talking about the same idea.

04/05 Phantoms was lightning in a bottle, not the result of organizational planning .

 

And the only reason they were on the Phantoms then was because there was a lockout.

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4 hours ago, mojo1917 said:

That Calder Cup Phantoms team wasn't "built " . Carter and Richards didn't play a full season , they piled on after their CA junior seasons were over.

There was never a "wagon" AHL team .

Lately the Charlotte Checkers have been  beating the hell out of everyone for a good 5 years.

 

Same for the Erie Monsters, Providence Bruins, and Syracuse Crunch. 

When they come to town the beatings commence. 

There is a system in place to develop players for those NHL teams  via their AHL affiliates. 

 

I don't think we're talking about the same idea.

04/05 Phantoms was lightning in a bottle, not the result of organizational planning .

 

You're absolutely right. Hey, I'm all for building through the draft as you well know. I liked Hextalls way of doing that. But something needs to change in developing these guys, because theres been some damn good players who regress when they become Flyers. And they weren't "bad" draft picks.

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35 minutes ago, flyercanuck said:

But something needs to change in developing these guys, because theres been some damn good players who regress when they become Flyers.

 

But wasn't just last year for the start of this past season to teach the same system as they run in the AHL??

 

I mean i was always shocked by that admission, because i was thinking they were doing that the whole time.

 

I'm like good lord no wonder why all these kids look like it is the first day of learning Chinese.

 

Why would you teach different systems??? Are you kidding me i thought a no brainer.

 

I just don't know anymore if they get the talent with no clear plan it is just wasting another season.

 

The plus side is i have saved money..........

 

 

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1 hour ago, OccamsRazor said:

 

But wasn't just last year for the start of this past season to teach the same system as they run in the AHL??

 

I mean i was always shocked by that admission, because i was thinking they were doing that the whole time.

 

I'm like good lord no wonder why all these kids look like it is the first day of learning Chinese.

 

Why would you teach different systems??? Are you kidding me i thought a no brainer.

 

I just don't know anymore if they get the talent with no clear plan it is just wasting another season.

 

The plus side is i have saved money..........

 

 

 

Should they really be teaching either team this system? It's terrible. From the 5 on 5 to the PP to the PK. Not being negative, being real. 

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16 hours ago, flyercanuck said:

 

Should they really be teaching either team this system? It's terrible. From the 5 on 5 to the PP to the PK. Not being negative, being real. 

What is the system? 

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17 hours ago, flyercanuck said:

 

Should they really be teaching either team this system? It's terrible. From the 5 on 5 to the PP to the PK. Not being negative, being real. 

 

I can't tell anymore is it the system or the lack of execution from the players - do they even know?

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4 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said:

 

I can't tell anymore is it the system or the lack of execution from the players - do they even know?

Let's think outside the box..... can it be both?

 

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2 hours ago, OccamsRazor said:

 

I can't tell anymore is it the system or the lack of execution from the players - do they even know?

 

Well let's just take for example, Konecny, Provorov and Farabee. All really good players for most of their careers...until the last couple of years... or until the present management  I loved all 3 of those draft picks. They've all 3 looked like nucleus players on a contender. Fletcher came, took him a year to instill his system...I know, I'm so negative against Fletcher. I just don't see the positive in a bottom 4 team who's management is actually "going for it". If they said "Ok, we're going to rebuild" then a bottom 4 would be acceptable. But with his signings, trades, etc, he's not rebuilding. And he's taken his farm team as low as his NHL team. He's actually near elite at being a lousy manager. If I actually thought he was tanking on purpose, I could understand his genius. He's not.

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To expand on this more: had Hextall/Holmgren in say 2017-18 accurately diagnosed that group wasn't going to win anything and traded Giroux, Voracek and Simmonds, they would have a boatload of more talent and assets in the cupboard right now (and likely no Fletcher, no JVR, and no Hayes).

 

But then we would have missed out on a first round exit in 2018 and that magical second round exit in the bubble.  We will always have those memories.

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1 hour ago, SCFlyguy said:

To expand on this more: had Hextall/Holmgren in say 2017-18 accurately diagnosed that group wasn't going to win anything and traded Giroux, Voracek and Simmonds, they would have a boatload of more talent and assets in the cupboard right now (and likely no Fletcher, no JVR, and no Hayes).

 

But then we would have missed out on a first round exit in 2018 and that magical second round exit in the bubble.  We will always have those memories.

People can speculate all day long on what, "would've been", but there's no real accuracy in that. I dont like the decisions they've made anymore than the next guy, but I dont see any point in using the 20/20 microscope to add to my misery. I hope there will be good changes moving forward. 

 

And past moves have nothing to do with whether or not hiring Tocchet TODAY, will have a real positive impact

 

It's weird, I have family members who are life long fans of all Philly sports. They are convinced that every team will suck and fail every year. And their last name isn't Goldberg. I just don't see the point 

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It's strange how the writer never discusses Tocchet's coaching style, what his vision might be for this roster - or anything along those lines. It's all "he was beloved" and "been thru the battles in Philly." The closest he comes is "the players can relate to him."

 

But I have nothing against bringing in Toc. The under-talented veterans leading the team make the choice of HC almost irrelevant. But it's more than Hayes as 2C (or even 3C) and Ristolainen playing 20+ minutes a night. What's worse is how the younger guys who came in looking good maybe great have turned into "WTF is going on with him?" types.

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3 hours ago, GratefulFlyers said:

It's strange how the writer never discusses Tocchet's coaching style, what his vision might be for this roster - or anything along those lines. It's all "he was beloved" and "been thru the battles in Philly." The closest he comes is "the players can relate to him."

 

But I have nothing against bringing in Toc. The under-talented veterans leading the team make the choice of HC almost irrelevant. But it's more than Hayes as 2C (or even 3C) and Ristolainen playing 20+ minutes a night. What's worse is how the younger guys who came in looking good maybe great have turned into "WTF is going on with him?" types.

 

Well if that is a criteria then what is Sandy McCarthy doing these days he might want to throw his name into the coaches hat...

 

...or better yet where is Jody Shelley when you need him.

 

I feel I'm never good to be able to watch good skilled Flyer hockey again...

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1 hour ago, OccamsRazor said:

 

Well if that is a criteria then what is Sandy McCarthy doing these days he might want to throw his name into the coaches hat...

 

...or better yet where is Jody Shelley when you need him.

 

I feel I'm never good to be able to watch good skilled Flyer hockey again...

 Flyers just promoted two former players to coaching positions. Dave Hoyda was just named the skills coach and Brad Marsh is the new power skating instructor. 

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12 minutes ago, RonJeremy said:

 Flyers just promoted two former players to coaching positions. Dave Hoyda was just named the skills coach and Brad Marsh is the new power skating instructor. 

Wasn't Marsh a little turtle-esque in his skating?

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8 hours ago, OccamsRazor said:

 

Well if that is a criteria then what is Sandy McCarthy doing these days he might want to throw his name into the coaches hat...

 

 

 

 Living just outside of town here...where he grew up.

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45 minutes ago, flyercanuck said:

 

 Living just outside of town here...where he grew up.

 

Well why are you still standing there get him on the next flight to Philly they have a coach to hire!!!

 

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5 hours ago, RonJeremy said:

He moved like Sherman Klump in quicksand. 

Brad Marsh skated slower than Continental Drift moves. He makes Hal Gill look like Pavel Bure.

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