CoachX 2,986 Posted May 14 Author Share Posted May 14 2 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said: Yeah sure they maybe should have traded back on both but you know we have hindsight. But in the Patrick draft i wanted Heiskanen anyways....so i would have missed on Makar too. Well, don't fret. Tocchet will fix all this 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OccamsRazor 13,192 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 6 minutes ago, CoachX said: Well, don't fret. Tocchet will fix all this 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mojo1917 5,414 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 15 hours ago, flyercanuck said: As mentioned, when Richards/Carter were on the farm they won. They also went to a cup with those two 1st round Flyer picks. Then traded them away. You're not wrong that they've neglected the farm though. Like their big brother, the Phantoms stink too. That Calder Cup Phantoms team wasn't "built " . Carter and Richards didn't play a full season , they piled on after their CA junior seasons were over. There was never a "wagon" AHL team . Lately the Charlotte Checkers have been beating the hell out of everyone for a good 5 years. Same for the Erie Monsters, Providence Bruins, and Syracuse Crunch. When they come to town the beatings commence. There is a system in place to develop players for those NHL teams via their AHL affiliates. I don't think we're talking about the same idea. 04/05 Phantoms was lightning in a bottle, not the result of organizational planning . 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OccamsRazor 13,192 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 38 minutes ago, mojo1917 said: That Calder Cup Phantoms team wasn't "built " . Carter and Richards didn't play a full season , they piled on after their CA junior seasons were over. There was never a "wagon" AHL team . Lately the Charlotte Checkers have been beating the hell out of everyone for a good 5 years. Same for the Erie Monsters, Providence Bruins, and Syracuse Crunch. When they come to town the beatings commence. There is a system in place to develop players for those NHL teams via their AHL affiliates. I don't think we're talking about the same idea. 04/05 Phantoms was lightning in a bottle, not the result of organizational planning . And the only reason they were on the Phantoms then was because there was a lockout. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flyercanuck 10,744 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 4 hours ago, mojo1917 said: That Calder Cup Phantoms team wasn't "built " . Carter and Richards didn't play a full season , they piled on after their CA junior seasons were over. There was never a "wagon" AHL team . Lately the Charlotte Checkers have been beating the hell out of everyone for a good 5 years. Same for the Erie Monsters, Providence Bruins, and Syracuse Crunch. When they come to town the beatings commence. There is a system in place to develop players for those NHL teams via their AHL affiliates. I don't think we're talking about the same idea. 04/05 Phantoms was lightning in a bottle, not the result of organizational planning . You're absolutely right. Hey, I'm all for building through the draft as you well know. I liked Hextalls way of doing that. But something needs to change in developing these guys, because theres been some damn good players who regress when they become Flyers. And they weren't "bad" draft picks. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OccamsRazor 13,192 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 35 minutes ago, flyercanuck said: But something needs to change in developing these guys, because theres been some damn good players who regress when they become Flyers. But wasn't just last year for the start of this past season to teach the same system as they run in the AHL?? I mean i was always shocked by that admission, because i was thinking they were doing that the whole time. I'm like good lord no wonder why all these kids look like it is the first day of learning Chinese. Why would you teach different systems??? Are you kidding me i thought a no brainer. I just don't know anymore if they get the talent with no clear plan it is just wasting another season. The plus side is i have saved money.......... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flyercanuck 10,744 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 1 hour ago, OccamsRazor said: But wasn't just last year for the start of this past season to teach the same system as they run in the AHL?? I mean i was always shocked by that admission, because i was thinking they were doing that the whole time. I'm like good lord no wonder why all these kids look like it is the first day of learning Chinese. Why would you teach different systems??? Are you kidding me i thought a no brainer. I just don't know anymore if they get the talent with no clear plan it is just wasting another season. The plus side is i have saved money.......... Should they really be teaching either team this system? It's terrible. From the 5 on 5 to the PP to the PK. Not being negative, being real. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CoachX 2,986 Posted May 15 Author Share Posted May 15 16 hours ago, flyercanuck said: Should they really be teaching either team this system? It's terrible. From the 5 on 5 to the PP to the PK. Not being negative, being real. What is the system? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OccamsRazor 13,192 Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 17 hours ago, flyercanuck said: Should they really be teaching either team this system? It's terrible. From the 5 on 5 to the PP to the PK. Not being negative, being real. I can't tell anymore is it the system or the lack of execution from the players - do they even know? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CoachX 2,986 Posted May 15 Author Share Posted May 15 4 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said: I can't tell anymore is it the system or the lack of execution from the players - do they even know? Let's think outside the box..... can it be both? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flyercanuck 10,744 Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 2 hours ago, OccamsRazor said: I can't tell anymore is it the system or the lack of execution from the players - do they even know? Well let's just take for example, Konecny, Provorov and Farabee. All really good players for most of their careers...until the last couple of years... or until the present management I loved all 3 of those draft picks. They've all 3 looked like nucleus players on a contender. Fletcher came, took him a year to instill his system...I know, I'm so negative against Fletcher. I just don't see the positive in a bottom 4 team who's management is actually "going for it". If they said "Ok, we're going to rebuild" then a bottom 4 would be acceptable. But with his signings, trades, etc, he's not rebuilding. And he's taken his farm team as low as his NHL team. He's actually near elite at being a lousy manager. If I actually thought he was tanking on purpose, I could understand his genius. He's not. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SCFlyguy 369 Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 On 5/14/2022 at 10:01 AM, OccamsRazor said: Well Hextall is the one who gave Jake his contract. So they should have just moved them both?? YES! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SCFlyguy 369 Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 To expand on this more: had Hextall/Holmgren in say 2017-18 accurately diagnosed that group wasn't going to win anything and traded Giroux, Voracek and Simmonds, they would have a boatload of more talent and assets in the cupboard right now (and likely no Fletcher, no JVR, and no Hayes). But then we would have missed out on a first round exit in 2018 and that magical second round exit in the bubble. We will always have those memories. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CoachX 2,986 Posted May 16 Author Share Posted May 16 1 hour ago, SCFlyguy said: To expand on this more: had Hextall/Holmgren in say 2017-18 accurately diagnosed that group wasn't going to win anything and traded Giroux, Voracek and Simmonds, they would have a boatload of more talent and assets in the cupboard right now (and likely no Fletcher, no JVR, and no Hayes). But then we would have missed out on a first round exit in 2018 and that magical second round exit in the bubble. We will always have those memories. People can speculate all day long on what, "would've been", but there's no real accuracy in that. I dont like the decisions they've made anymore than the next guy, but I dont see any point in using the 20/20 microscope to add to my misery. I hope there will be good changes moving forward. And past moves have nothing to do with whether or not hiring Tocchet TODAY, will have a real positive impact It's weird, I have family members who are life long fans of all Philly sports. They are convinced that every team will suck and fail every year. And their last name isn't Goldberg. I just don't see the point 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NHL HHOF 28 Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 Want butts back in seats? This Flyers coaching candidate would elicit real buzz https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/flyers/candidates-be-flyers-coach-rick-tocchet Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CoachX 2,986 Posted May 16 Author Share Posted May 16 30 minutes ago, NHL HHOF said: Want butts back in seats? This Flyers coaching candidate would elicit real buzz https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/flyers/candidates-be-flyers-coach-rick-tocchet You just proved my point.... thanks 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GratefulFlyers 527 Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 It's strange how the writer never discusses Tocchet's coaching style, what his vision might be for this roster - or anything along those lines. It's all "he was beloved" and "been thru the battles in Philly." The closest he comes is "the players can relate to him." But I have nothing against bringing in Toc. The under-talented veterans leading the team make the choice of HC almost irrelevant. But it's more than Hayes as 2C (or even 3C) and Ristolainen playing 20+ minutes a night. What's worse is how the younger guys who came in looking good maybe great have turned into "WTF is going on with him?" types. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OccamsRazor 13,192 Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 3 hours ago, GratefulFlyers said: It's strange how the writer never discusses Tocchet's coaching style, what his vision might be for this roster - or anything along those lines. It's all "he was beloved" and "been thru the battles in Philly." The closest he comes is "the players can relate to him." But I have nothing against bringing in Toc. The under-talented veterans leading the team make the choice of HC almost irrelevant. But it's more than Hayes as 2C (or even 3C) and Ristolainen playing 20+ minutes a night. What's worse is how the younger guys who came in looking good maybe great have turned into "WTF is going on with him?" types. Well if that is a criteria then what is Sandy McCarthy doing these days he might want to throw his name into the coaches hat... ...or better yet where is Jody Shelley when you need him. I feel I'm never good to be able to watch good skilled Flyer hockey again... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RonJeremy 1,505 Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 1 hour ago, OccamsRazor said: Well if that is a criteria then what is Sandy McCarthy doing these days he might want to throw his name into the coaches hat... ...or better yet where is Jody Shelley when you need him. I feel I'm never good to be able to watch good skilled Flyer hockey again... Flyers just promoted two former players to coaching positions. Dave Hoyda was just named the skills coach and Brad Marsh is the new power skating instructor. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CoachX 2,986 Posted May 18 Author Share Posted May 18 12 minutes ago, RonJeremy said: Flyers just promoted two former players to coaching positions. Dave Hoyda was just named the skills coach and Brad Marsh is the new power skating instructor. Wasn't Marsh a little turtle-esque in his skating? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RonJeremy 1,505 Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 1 hour ago, CoachX said: Wasn't Marsh a little turtle-esque in his skating? He moved like Sherman Klump in quicksand. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flyercanuck 10,744 Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 8 hours ago, OccamsRazor said: Well if that is a criteria then what is Sandy McCarthy doing these days he might want to throw his name into the coaches hat... Living just outside of town here...where he grew up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OccamsRazor 13,192 Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 45 minutes ago, flyercanuck said: Living just outside of town here...where he grew up. Well why are you still standing there get him on the next flight to Philly they have a coach to hire!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FD19372 2,798 Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 5 hours ago, RonJeremy said: He moved like Sherman Klump in quicksand. Brad Marsh skated slower than Continental Drift moves. He makes Hal Gill look like Pavel Bure. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TropicalFruitGirl26 5,420 Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 14 minutes ago, FD19372 said: Hal Gill REPORTED!! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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