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The Athletic Flyers Poll/Survey  

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  1. 1. Which under 25 player "currently" on the roster do you have the most faith could ultimately develop into a "Star-Level" player?

    • Joel Farabee
      6
    • Carter Hart
      14
    • Cam York
      5
    • Morgan Frost
      1
    • Owen Tippett
      0
    • Bobby Brink
      0
    • Noah Cates
      0
    • Ronnie Attard
      0
  2. 2. Do you believe the Flyers should actively pursue Claude Giroux in free agency this summer? (why or why not discuss below)

    • Yes
      4
    • No
      22
  3. 3. What should the Flyers do with James Van Riemsdyk (JVR) this offseason?

    • Trade him (likely with a sweetener to clear cap space)
      10
    • Buy him out and gain $2.66 million worth of cap room for 2022-23
      9
    • Keep him
      7
  4. 4. Should the Flyers trade Ivan Provorov this off season? (discuss why or why not below)

    • Yes
      4
    • No
      22
  5. 5. Should t he Flyers trade Travis Sanhaim this summer? (discuss why or why not below)

    • Yes
      2
    • No
      24


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The Athletic has a poll/survey running on the State of the Union for the Flyers.  I will be posting some of their questions. 

 

They listed a lot of questions.  Here is Part 6.

 

Comment below for these 5 questions only

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JVR has to. Whatever it takes. I could only choose one option, but I'd take any thay results in him being out. Then his named should be purged from Flyers history like he never existed

 

Giroux should be brought back and compensation worthy of his current play. This won't happen, I know. But if it did, it would show an unselfishness and dedication to the Flyers that would solidify him as one of my all time favs.  It's selfish, I know,  but so what

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Hart and Farabee seem to be the 2 players right now that have that star level potential.  I went with Farabee, but Hart is a close second. 

 

For reasons that have been discussed else where as much as I appreciated "G" for what he meant to this organization, his ship has now passed.  Time to move on and for the Flyers to begin LAG (life after Giroux).

 

JVR needs to go ....I don't care how.  He just can't be on the roster come the start of the 22-23 season.

 

I'm not willing to part with Provy or Sanheim just yet.  Let's see what new coach can do with them in terms of development.

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28 minutes ago, pilldoc said:

I'm not willing to part with Provy or Sanheim just yet.  Let's see what new coach can do with them in terms of development.

Only way I would do this, is if the player you brought in was legitimately better at his position, then either are at theirs. And you have to factor who has to fill the void left by their departure 

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On 6/12/2022 at 1:23 PM, pilldoc said:

JVR needs to go ....I don't care how.  He just can't be on the roster come the start of the 22-23 season.

Unfathomable that 5 people voted for him to stay.

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5 minutes ago, FireDillabaugh said:

Unfathomable that 5 people voted for him to stay.

 

I voted for him to stay....and no one hates JVR more or longer than I have. Tank for Bedard!

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38 minutes ago, flyercanuck said:

I voted for him to stay....and no one hates JVR more or longer than I have. Tank for Bedard!

Lol.  They don't need JVR in the lineup to do that.  Put youth into the lineup position and let it have an NHL season of development.

 

And, besides that fact above, this organization could finish last in the league, and their awful lottery luck will still not reward them with Bedard.

 

Whatever needs to happen for JVR to never wear a Flyers sweater has to happen.

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None of the listed players are going to be Star-Level players.

 

There is no definition of “Star-Level” provided, but for instance I don’t see a single one of those players making more than two ASGs in the next 8 years.

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5 minutes ago, SCFlyguy said:

There is no definition of “Star-Level” provided, but for instance I don’t see a single one of those players making more than two ASGs in the next 8 years.

Hart could be.  But, not with Dillabaugh as the one coaching him.  With a competent coach, Hart could probably already be that "Star-Level" caliber.  But instead, we've seen what he can be with the mediocrity that Kim brings to his game.  He's a better player than what he's shown so far.  And I truly believe the time has to be now for the coaching change to be made, giving both Hart and Sandstrom/Fedotov the proper coaching they deserve.

 

Also believe York could be a solid top pair dman, if given the proper coaching, instead of the incompetence he's been given from frauds like Yeo and Lappy.

 

I don't think Farabee is anything more than a middle 6 NHL player.  Unfortunately, on this roster, he's put on the top line, even with his consistency and lazy habits that showed themselves this season.

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It's interesting (and surprising to me) that only the JVR question got mixed results. I voted to buy him out and be done with it. I'd offer him to Buffalo first though. See if we can get that 2nd rounder back and help them reach the cap floor but I doubt they'd go for it. Just ditch him if nobody wants him.

The other one I'm not sure on is Provorov. Just not sure where his head's at. Torts needs to sit down with him, get inside that head, and find out if he really wants to be a Flyer and buy in. If there's doubt, trade him in a reverse Risto if not more. 

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1 hour ago, GrittyForever said:

It's interesting (and surprising to me) that only the JVR question got mixed results. I voted to buy him out and be done with it. I'd offer him to Buffalo first though. See if we can get that 2nd rounder back and help them reach the cap floor but I doubt they'd go for it. Just ditch him if nobody wants him.

The other one I'm not sure on is Provorov. Just not sure where his head's at. Torts needs to sit down with him, get inside that head, and find out if he really wants to be a Flyer and buy in. If there's doubt, trade him in a reverse Risto if not more. 

You're not getting a 2nd back.  A pick would be going the opposite way as a sweetener.   Buffalo just did such a trade and they have a ton of people to sign. I doubt they do it again.  Never the less, getting a 2nd back probably isn't the way that would work.  

 

Just keep him.  It's only this year.  We're NOT going anywhere this year, so ride it out. Don't extend the pain by buying him out , and don't use what it would take to get rid of him just a year early for no particular benefit for that year.  This team will be closer to last than anything so might as well suck it up for the year.

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5 hours ago, ruxpin said:

Just keep him.  It's only this year.  We're NOT going anywhere this year, so ride it out. Don't extend the pain by buying him out , and don't use what it would take to get rid of him just a year early for no particular benefit for that year.  This team will be closer to last than anything so might as well suck it up for the year.

This is how I think about that guy.

 

If he has a "JvR type" year where he's got around 45 pts and 22 goals at the trade deadline,  maybe he gets a 2nd round pick in '23 for a contender that has some bad injury luck or a 3rd if that contender wants scoring depth.

Paying half his cap hit is the only "sweetener" I'd add to get rid of him.

No picks.

No buyout.

Don't keep adding to the mistake that has been the JvR experience. 

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7 minutes ago, mojo1917 said:

This is how I think about that guy.

 

If he has a "JvR type" year where he's got around 45 pts and 22 goals at the trade deadline,  maybe he gets a 2nd round pick in '23 for a contender that has some bad injury luck or a 3rd if that contender wants scoring depth.

Paying half his cap hit is the only "sweetener" I'd add to get rid of him.

No picks.

No buyout.

Don't keep adding to the mistake that has been the JvR experience. 

 

Yeah I'm not buying him out.

 

It is either a trade even picking up half his salary or just keep him I am not sweetening no deal to move JVR.

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All good points about JVR. I hate that guy. I don't want to waste anymore of time discussing what's going to happen, or should happen with him.  I dont care if he rides the pine, forcing his agent to find a way out for him

 

He will be gone, one way or another, I'll just wait til it happens.

 

Pretty sure he will hate playing for torts

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11 hours ago, ruxpin said:

You're not getting a 2nd back.  A pick would be going the opposite way as a sweetener.   Buffalo just did such a trade and they have a ton of people to sign. I doubt they do it again.  Never the less, getting a 2nd back probably isn't the way that would work.  

 

Just keep him.  It's only this year.  We're NOT going anywhere this year, so ride it out. Don't extend the pain by buying him out , and don't use what it would take to get rid of him just a year early for no particular benefit for that year.  This team will be closer to last than anything so might as well suck it up for the year.

Well yes, I agree a 2nd back is wish fulfillment. Just thinking Buffalo (and hence semi joking about that Risto related pick) since they need to reach the cap floor and their plan is to go with mostly entry level players. They could use a net front PP guy, even if only for a year while their kids develop. Good for us to get rid of him, good for them as they transition. 

 

I'm less pessimistic than you though so I'd ditch him sooner than later just to clean house and the locker room. I think Torts can make us better. How much and how quickly idk, but I don't think we are a tank team. At least not yet. 

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Interesting that so far it is a statically dead heat in what to do with JVR .....

 

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granted small sample size ...just proves what a conundrum JVR has created for this team and fanbase .....AND with no clear cut or easy solution in what to do with him ....

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4 hours ago, pilldoc said:

Interesting that so far it is a statically dead heat in what to do with JVR .....

 

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granted small sample size ...just proves what a conundrum JVR has created for this team and fanbase .....AND with no clear cut or easy solution in what to do with him ....

 

Ya but if they had a "cement shoes at the bottom of a canal" option I bet it would be unanimous.

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34 minutes ago, flyercanuck said:

Ya but if they had a "cement shoes at the bottom of a canal" option I bet it would be unanimous.

 

that can be arranged .... ;)

 

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5 hours ago, pilldoc said:

Interesting that so far it is a statically dead heat in what to do with JVR .....

 

image.thumb.png.a93b469d309f3239fa775c5c89fe906e.png

 

granted small sample size ...just proves what a conundrum JVR has created for this team and fanbase .....AND with no clear cut or easy solution in what to do with him ....

 

A clear example of not just signing the top free agents but more about signing the best free agent who fits.

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19 hours ago, pilldoc said:

AND with no clear cut or easy solution in what to do with him ....

 

All three are legitimately viable options.  We had to pick one.

 

I'd try to retain and trade and not give up a bunch with it.

 

If that didn't work, I'd consult the coach and then either buyout or bite the bullet and ride out next season.

 

Also kind of depends on what they need the $2.6M+ to do...

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