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2021-22 Stanley Cup Finals: Tampa Bay Lightning (Wales Champion) at Colorado Avalanche (Campbell Champion) - (COL WINS 4-2)


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  1. 1. Stanley Cup Champion: Beast of the East or Best of the West?

    • 1-- Bolts in 4. Defending Champs blow the hype right the hell up and disappoint many Western fans, and irritate odds makers!
    • 2-- Bolts in 5. Series doesn't quite live up to the hype as TB makes short work of the Avs, only giving up one game due to Bolts' team bus running late...
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    • 3-- Bolts in 6. Great series that sees a bit of everything, but the Lightning still show why they have been the best for the last three seasons...and why the Avs still need a bit more work.
    • 4-- Bolts in 7. Fantastic set that truly shows hockey can be a game of inches....and rulers and yardsticks favor the defending Champions who make it 3 in a row!
    • 5-- Avs in 4. Predators, Oilers....Lightning. Makes no difference to the powerful, hungry Avalanche. They sweep. New Champs.
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    • 6-- Avs in 5. TB tries but finally finds a team that matches and exceeds them at every turn. Vasy steals a game, but that's it.
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    • 7-- Avs in 6. Colorado grows by leaps n bounds even during this series, and dethrones the defending champions on their own ice!
    • 8-- Avs in 7. Epic set. New Champs crowned. Old Champs fall just shy of historical greatness. And all in front of the Denver home crowd!

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13 hours ago, Math said:

Does the split order matter? For example 1-1 after the two first games in Denver, no matter who won the first game?

Yes, it matters.  I don’t know if this type of wager is new to FanDuel, but they had a loooong list of every combination of W/L between the two squads across 4, 5, 6, or 7 games.  If it isn’t new, they probably only offer it for 7-game Finals in hockey, basketball, and baseball.  Fun bet esp since less the price of a silly lottery ticket.

 

14 hours ago, TropicalFruitGirl26 said:

I'm not a gamblin' gal, so most of that went over my head like a line drive off the bat of Kevin Kiermaier

Touché then as I don’t know the gentleman!  (Without googling I’ll ass|u|me he’s a local Devil Ray laddie.)

 

Me neivver, not really.  Over 10 years I have maintained, on average, a balance of $500 in a sports betting account.  I’ve gotten as low as 300 and as high as 700.   It’s just a little game, I try to be disciplined and not make overly priced crazy bets.  It is a game with some teeth as it is real not monopoly money.  (We all gamble insanely more with our 401K’s lately.)

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3 hours ago, FireDillabaugh said:

I agree.  And anyone who watches hockey should understand and realize that.

 

However, my point is that if you look at Markstrom's stats before the playoffs started, he rarely played well against the Oilers.  Maybe he was on his "A" game against them.  Maybe he wasn't.  But, the results were awful.  Didn't have anything to do with being playoffs or regular season.  There was very little about that matchup in these playoffs to believe Markstrom could suddenly turn this trend around and beat the Oilers in a best of 7.  Very little to believe he could have his "A" game.  The "different mindset" of the playoffs didn't mean a thing in this case.  So, completely discarding stat trends simply because they're regular season stats would just be foolish.  Add to that the poor play of Tkachuk, Gaudreau and Lindholm after Game 1, the Flames didn't have much of a chance.

I agree with a lot of what you are saying, but history has shown that in the playoffs a successful team that advances is the team that usually rides the hot goaltender. It happened in St. Louis with Binnington, it happened with Pittsburgh with Matt Murray. It happens often. 

 

Maybe the Oilers had Markstrom number, but surely the Lightning did not have the Panthers number in the regular season as the split the two game series with them, but they allowed 13 goals in 2 games losing 9 to 3 and winning 8-4. So it definitely was Vasilevskiy standing on his head in the playoffs as they swept the Panthers allowing just 3 goals in 4 games against the high powered offense of the Panthers. Now I am not saying it was just him as the rest of the Lightning shut them down as well, but Vasi was the back end of it. 

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ENOUGH with the talking heads on TV!

Ready to get this thing started TONIGHT!!
The big boys of the NHL are all gonna be on display, and hopefully, two full rosters, stars and lunch pail guys alike...all ready to go!

With any luck, Jon Cooper has had his guys practice in depressurized rinks :shifty: to help account for the thin air and have Game plans A, B, C, D and Q all ready for a formidable Avs' team.

As for the Avs themselves, hoping for them to have Kadri, Cogliano, Krupp, Forsberg, Lemieux, and whomever else they need on their roster and be at their best!
If they are at their best, they COULD be the next Champions..... if they are not at their best, then the Bolts will win their 3rd in a row and I want NO crying or excuses (again!) from Avs fans that it was because they were missing this guy, or that guy...

You play with what you have, next man up, all that good stuff. 

Bolts have had to do it like that, as have other past champions, so can the Avs if they are really good enough.

Ready to roll with this already...let's go boys!
T-minus 6 hours...

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There are going to be NO EXCUSES. This is the team we wanted in the finals. Why not want the champs to attempt to take them down off the top.  I have already heard that the Avs have rolled into this final because they have not had great competition in the previous rounds and I call B.S. on all of that. 

 

In the first round before it started many were saying that Nashville would give them a test because of their defense. That didn't happen and then what we heard, it was because they didn't have Saros. 

 

Then when St. Louis came around they were the team going to challenge us because they had experience and we took them down. Then we heard it was because Binnington was hurt.

 

Then the Oilers rolled in and all the McDavid talk and Draisaitl. Then they got swept and it was all the Draisaitl was hurt.

 

I don't want to hear any of this from this series. The Tampa Bay series is definitely going to go down as the toughest series for both of the teams by far and I want both of the teams at 100%. Will they be at 100%, I don't know but I want Point to come back for Tampa Bay because if the Avs raise that cup , I want it to come against the best team the Lightning can put on the ice. 

 

This is going to be loads of fun and at this moment I am feeling the excitement already building. 

 

 

 

 

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25 minutes ago, Captain Lando said:

Will they be at 100%, I don't know but I want Point to come back for Tampa Bay because if the Avs raise that cup , I want it to come against the best team the Lightning can put on the ice. 

Apparently, he's back.  He's a playoff performer.  And players like this can be huge boosts for their teams.

 

https://www.tsn.ca/tampa-bay-lightning-brayden-point-colorado-avalanche-game-1-stanley-cup-final-1.1813398

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55 minutes ago, FireDillabaugh said:

Apparently, he's back.  He's a playoff performer.  And players like this can be huge boosts for their teams.

 

https://www.tsn.ca/tampa-bay-lightning-brayden-point-colorado-avalanche-game-1-stanley-cup-final-1.1813398

 

Glad to see this, although I really do hope the Bolts aren't rushing him back, or more likely, Point rushing himself, convincing the medical and training staff he is fit to play, but could be borderline.

I understand almost all players are beat up to a degree, but it would be foolish for anyone to "hope" Point is ok, throw him in there, and then, not only are the Bolts without his services for the deciding games later on, but might be without him to start next season.

I will trust the TB process here and their judgement to do right by the player and not let Point be his own "physician".
From a pure fan point of view, I certainly am looking forward to seeing him play!

Should slot everyone else accordingly, however, I do hope they keep Stamkos as a Center (whether 1C or 2C, doesn't matter), as despite what many may think, Stamkos is more effective and engaged in games when he is in the center position as opposed to wing.

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1 hour ago, TropicalFruitGirl26 said:

Should slot everyone else accordingly, however, I do hope they keep Stamkos as a Center (whether 1C or 2C, doesn't matter), as despite what many may think, Stamkos is more effective and engaged in games when he is in the center position as opposed to wing.

Probably won't happen.  I think Cooper really likes Point at that center position.  But, I agree.  Especially with how well Stamkos has played in most of these playoff games.  With the way he's worked and produced, I would think Cooper would want to keep that in the center position of their system.  Add to that, Point being out for a month and now playing in Colorado at that altitude, I would think Cooper would want to limit Point's ice time a bit, at least for the 2 games in Colorado, from what he was playing before his injury.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, FireDillabaugh said:

Probably won't happen.  I think Cooper really likes Point at that center position.  But, I agree.  Especially with how well he's played in most of these playoff games.  With the way he's worked and produced, I would think Cooper would want to keep that in the center position of their system.  Add to that, Point being out for a month and now playing in Colorado at that altitude, I would think Cooper would want to limit Point's ice time a bit, at least for the 2 games in Colorado, from what he was playing before his injury.

 

Both Stamkos and Point can play the center positions (one is 1C, other 2C)....it would mean moving Cirelli down to 3C, which is fine because he and his line have been playing the roles of 'shut down', which is traditionally a 3rd line duty anyways.

Nick Paul can slide over to wing, keep the 4th line the same with Bellemare-Maroon-and probably Perry, since Nash won't suit up if Point does.

Obviously Coach Cooper is gonna do what he is gonna do, and yea, he might move Stammer back to wing, but I have seen lineups throughout the year where both Stamkos and Point are in the C positions in the top six.

As for limiting Point's minutes, that sounds like both a good idea and bad at the same time.... good because, yes, long layoff, thin air, fast opponent, etc... but bad because the guy IS a driver on the team and one of the few on the Bolts that can keep up with the likes of a MacKinnon or Makar with raw speed.

But again, Cooper knows his guys, and he has the track record to back him up....plus, what Coach Cooper starts with, usually isn't what he ends up with, so shows he isn't afraid to change things and admit, via actions, that what he was doing wasn't working.

Many of these Lightning players have been together so long, that they are almost interchangeable on lines and defense pairings making it easier for the head coach to mix guys up without reworking the chemistry too much.
Reason #67 why the Lightning are tough to game plan against.

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2 hours ago, FireDillabaugh said:

Probably won't happen.  I think Cooper really likes Point at that center position.  But, I agree.  Especially with how well Stamkos has played in most of these playoff games.  With the way he's worked and produced, I would think Cooper would want to keep that in the center position of their system.  Add to that, Point being out for a month and now playing in Colorado at that altitude, I would think Cooper would want to limit Point's ice time a bit, at least for the 2 games in Colorado, from what he was playing before his injury.

 

 

I think you'll see Point, predominantly on the power play. I think the five on five, in the high altitude will slightly limit his minutes in that capacity. Do I think his minutes will be DRASTICALLY reduced? No.

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Ten minutes until puck drop. As I said before, dead even series, in so many ways. Both power plays and offenses are spectacular, I think Makar continues his hot play, and wins the Conn Smythe... but it wouldn't surprise me a little bit, if Vasilevskiy wins it and becomes the first player on a losing team since J.S. Giguere of the Mighty Ducks in 2003, to win it for a losing team...that wouldn't surprise me, either. I like the Avs D a bit more, but I like the Lightning's penalty kill unit a bit more, also. The Lightning have the best goalie in the world, so they have an edge there. This should be the best SC final series since 2001, IMHO.

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3 minutes ago, TropicalFruitGirl26 said:

 

Would that be because BOTH are even MORE 'loaded' than the St. Louis Blues? :rolleyes: 

No they aren’t and remember, the Blues took Colorado to the brink if not for that goal with 4 seconds left.  Binnington injur  tv did not help.  Blues are a damn good team.  And what is Cooper thinking?  Pat Maroon is a liability out there

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