ruxpin Posted September 1 Share Posted September 1 (edited) As some of us already know, the cavalry is not coming. Our front office continues to delude what it considers (in many cases correctly) its stupid fan base. Corey Pronman Aug 28, 2024 A massive part of Philadelphia’s future is tied into the often debated Matvei Michkov. If he hits, they have a potential star winger they can build around. If he doesn’t, their system has some good pieces, especially after the positive season Oliver Bonk had, but high upside isn’t abundant in this group of players. https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5632727/2024/08/28/philadelphia-flyers-nhl-prospect-pipeline-rankings-2024/ Ranks the prospects with thoughts on the top 7. Other than Michkov, literally no one is projected either top line or top pairing. And after Michkov, Drysdale, Bonk, and Foerster, not bullish on any being top 6. When you insist on drafting middle of the pack with no game plan, you guarantee a middle of the pack team with no hope. Edited September 1 by pilldoc 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted September 1 Share Posted September 1 (edited) I’m actually surprised the Athletic had them this highly ranked….. Remove Michkov and the pickings are slim ….. This is what you get when you are a middling team …… (sarcasm font) But hey we were competing and just missed the playoffs where anything can happen…. (Sarcasm font) Edited September 1 by pilldoc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted September 1 Share Posted September 1 It really is a dumb way to try and build a team...unless you just don't care about championships. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyer4ever Posted September 1 Share Posted September 1 5 hours ago, ruxpin said: As some of us already know, the cavalry is not coming. Our front office continues to delude what it considers (in many cases correctly) its stupid fan base. Corey Pronman Aug 28, 2024 A massive part of Philadelphia’s future is tied into the often debated Matvei Michkov. If he hits, they have a potential star winger they can build around. If he doesn’t, their system has some good pieces, especially after the positive season Oliver Bonk had, but high upside isn’t abundant in this group of players. https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5632727/2024/08/28/philadelphia-flyers-nhl-prospect-pipeline-rankings-2024/ Ranks the prospects with thoughts on the top 7. Other than Michkov, literally no one is projected either top line or top pairing. And after Michkov, Drysdale, Bonk, and Foerster, not bullish on any being top 6. When you insist on drafting middle of the pack with no game plan, you guarantee a middle of the pack team with no hope. The fan base is stupid. They continue to show up at the rink and pay for tickets. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SCFlyguy Posted September 2 Popular Post Share Posted September 2 Lol, that #13 ranking is based nearly entirely on a player who won't be considered a prospect as soon as the season starts and he makes the club. Without him they have a bottom third prospect pool at best. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegx.ca Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 18 hours ago, pilldoc said: I’m actually surprised the Athletic had them this highly ranked….. Remove Michkov and the pickings are slim ….. This is what you get when you are a middling team …… (sarcasm font) But hey we were competing and just missed the playoffs where anything can happen…. (Sarcasm font) Haha yeah I definitely thought the guys at The Athletic were better than this...13th out of 14 more like it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 16 hours ago, flyercanuck said: It really is a dumb way to try and build a team...unless you just don't care about championships. Article this morning had a take on "wings who won without a top center" and they used Kucherov and Tkachuk as examples as if Tampa and Florida didn't also have Stamkos, Hedman, Barkov, and Ekblad... I'd be FINE with Michkov as the second line RW on one of THOSE teams... This is not those. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted September 2 Author Share Posted September 2 7 minutes ago, radoran said: Article this morning had a take on "wings who won without a top center" and they used Kucherov and Tkachuk as examples as if Tampa and Florida didn't also have Stamkos, Hedman, Barkov, and Ekblad... I'd be FINE with Michkov as the second line RW on one of THOSE teams... This is not those. What knucklehead wrote that those wingers won without a top center? Were they from Tucson? I mean, not only did Kuch have Stamkos, Braydon Point is a day's train ride better than anything the Flyers have had at center since Richards. And Tampa surrounded Hedman with pretty good players on the back end every single year. And don't forget for several years they had the best goalie in the game (apologies to Hellebuyck fans). And yes, Barkov for Tkachuk. Again, goalie. And a strong cast around them, though (in my opinion) not quite as strong an argument as in the case of the Tampa cup teams. The Kucherov and Tkachuk argument is stupid on its face. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzz Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 18 hours ago, flyercanuck said: It really is a great way to try and build a team if you just care about ticket sales...and don't care about championships. FIXED! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted September 2 Author Share Posted September 2 21 hours ago, pilldoc said: I’m actually surprised the Athletic had them this highly ranked….. Yeah, i didn't look at the rankings below them, but i have to imagine it's a cluster of teams that have been at or near the top and have been using picks in deadline trades to "get them home " And some other teams doing the same just to win a playoff round (here's looking at you, Toronto). And like you alluded to, the day Michkov is not considered a prospect (not sure why Drysdale still is), they drop to upper 20s. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 16 hours ago, flyer4ever said: The fan base is stupid. They continue to show up at the rink and pay for tickets... (to watch Gritty the mascot) 18 hours ago, flyercanuck said: It really is a dumb way to try and build a team...unless you just don't care about championships.... (and only care about your mascot known as Gritty) There FIXED both of them for you ...... If this team only put the effort into actually FIXING this mess instead of seeing Gritty plastered all over the internet ..... but hey the Flyers finally won something! .....Mascot of the year!...... start the parade! (Sarcasm font) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 11 minutes ago, ruxpin said: And like you alluded to, the day Michkov is not considered a prospect (not sure why Drysdale still is), they drop to upper 20s. yeah seriously ...... he has been in the NHL now for 2 years + ..... should not even be listed ...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 So in no particular order here is what we have: "He looks like a potential third-line center or second-line winger." "he looks like a legit middle-six winger." "gives hope he can become a bottom-six forward given he has a bit of a sluggish skating stride." "Despite his plus athletic tools, his defending is just average." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyClarkeFan16 Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 These reviews need to be taken with a grain of salt, especially because there have been teams in the past that have had ridiculous prospect depth that ended up producing nothing while there have been clubs that have had middling prospect depth that have produced players. For me, where a player plays in their development is so important. For instance, when a player comes out of a good junior program or NCAA program, they're coming in with good habits in terms of two-way play, playing compressed schedules and just playing a lot of hockey. Most important, a lot of them come with good habits already established in terms of practice, physical fitness and nutrition (especially the college kids). When a player comes from a poor program, the work required to get them to develop good habits is what takes a lot of time. Of course, having a good farm system and development coach in place is paramount for these kids to succeed. And that's a glaring red flag that the Flyers have. Laperriere might be a good guy and is well liked throughout the organization. But his development coaching skills leaves A LOT to be desired. And if the Flyers are serious about building through the draft, them they need to find their Benoit Groulx (look at the job he did in Tampa Bay when he was their minor affiliate coach). That's what scares me most about the Flyers. The draft seems to be ok, but the development leaves tons to be desired. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 1 minute ago, BobbyClarkeFan16 said: Of course, having a good farm system and development coach in place is paramount for these kids to succeed. And that's a glaring red flag that the Flyers have. Laperriere might be a good guy and is well liked throughout the organization. But his development coaching skills leaves A LOT to be desired. And if the Flyers are serious about building through the draft, them they need to find their Benoit Groulx (look at the job he did in Tampa Bay when he was their minor affiliate coach). That's what scares me most about the Flyers. The draft seems to be ok, but the development leaves tons to be desired. This x1000 I can't add any more ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 3 hours ago, ruxpin said: Yeah, i didn't look at the rankings below them, but i have to imagine it's a cluster of teams that have been at or near the top and have been using picks in deadline trades to "get them home " And some other teams doing the same just to win a playoff round (here's looking at you, Toronto). And like you alluded to, the day Michkov is not considered a prospect (not sure why Drysdale still is), they drop to upper 20s. They consider Drysdale a prospect?!? He's played in FOUR seasons! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted September 2 Author Share Posted September 2 2 hours ago, BobbyClarkeFan16 said: Of course, having a good farm system and development coach in place is paramount for these kids to succeed. And that's a glaring red flag that the Flyers have. Laperriere might be a good guy and is well liked throughout the organization. But his development coaching skills leaves A LOT to be desired. And if the Flyers are serious about building through the draft, them they need to find their Benoit Groulx (look at the job he did in Tampa Bay when he was their minor affiliate coach). That's what scares me most about the Flyers. The draft seems to be ok, but the development leaves tons to be desired. This. All day this. And when you draft in such a that depends upon development and have a crap development system, you end up exactly where the flyers have been. I wish we were in Tucson and could just pilfer other's development efforts like pre-cap (not that it won us any cups). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 5 hours ago, ruxpin said: What knucklehead wrote that those wingers won without a top center? Were they from Tucson? It was The Hockey Writers (I don't feel like linking), who are marginally worse than The Hockey News these days... AI would be better... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted September 2 Author Share Posted September 2 (edited) The Philadelphia Flyers: A Beacon of Hope in Hockey! Wow, where do I even start? The Philadelphia Flyers have once again proven that they are the absolute best at... well, being persistent! Year after year, this team bravely takes to the ice, showing the world that winning isn’t everything. After all, consistency is key, and the Flyers have mastered the art of consistently rebuilding. Their strategy is nothing short of genius—why win games when you can build character? The Flyers understand that it's not about how many games you win, but how many life lessons you can squeeze out of a season. Who needs a Stanley Cup when you can have the joy of watching your favorite team just *try their hardest*? And let’s talk about their defense. The Flyers’ defense is like a fine sieve, gracefully allowing pucks to pass through with an elegance that most teams only dream of. It takes real talent to make every game a nail-biter, and the Flyers deliver in spades. Their goalies, bless them, really get to work on their reflexes with all the practice they get. The Flyers’ fan base is also a shining example of loyalty. These fans show up, year after year, proving that true love means sticking around no matter how many times you get your hopes up, only for them to be dashed in spectacular fashion. It's almost poetic. So, if you’re looking for a team that never fails to surprise (mostly in how they lose) and provides endless opportunities for personal growth (through the power of disappointment), then the Philadelphia Flyers are the team for you. Here's to another season of "maybe 3 years from now!" Brought to you by ChatGPT Prompt: write a realistic review of the Philadelphia Flyers Edited September 2 by ruxpin 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyClarkeFan16 Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 39 minutes ago, ruxpin said: This. All day this. And when you draft in such a that depends upon development and have a crap development system, you end up exactly where the flyers have been. I wish we were in Tucson and could just pilfer other's development efforts like pre-cap (not that it won us any cups). See, part of me is thinking that once Laperriere loses the run, that Jason Smith will step in and be the head coach. And I didn't have a problem with that per se, in that he's been a head coach in junior hockey and he's been an assistant at the NHL level. There's experience there. What I'm disappointed in is that the Flyers haven't tried adding a junior or NCAA coach to the ranks to groom them as potential NHL head coaches. It's just the same old recycled garbage. And speaking of coaches, I know this sounds insane, but you know who was a good junior and AHL coach and has a good track record of developing prospects? Rocky Thompson. He can't coach a power play if his life depended on it, but he certainly knows how to develop prospects. This is a franchise that is stuck because as much as they talk about player development, it isn't a priority for them. And that kills. I'm thinking of how many players have come through here in the last 20 years that could have been something if they had proper coaching and development, not "checking" and "play the system" type coaching. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 (edited) @ruxpin I'm sure there were many in Tucson who just thought that throwing huge amounts of $$$$$$ at FA, that the desert would just suddenly open up to the NHL's version of purgatory. Surely the mantra of just pay them and they would come was just a delusional idea to some and in fact not a viable solution when presented with facts ....... Edited September 2 by pilldoc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 22 hours ago, BobbyClarkeFan16 said: These reviews need to be taken with a grain of salt, especially because there have been teams in the past that have had ridiculous prospect depth that ended up producing nothing while there have been clubs that have had middling prospect depth that have produced players. Including the Flyers during the Hextall years. That prospect group was top 5 for a few years. True Story. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 22 hours ago, BobbyClarkeFan16 said: For instance, when a player comes out of a good junior program or NCAA program, they're coming in with good habits in terms of two-way play, playing compressed schedules and just playing a lot of hockey. Most important, a lot of them come with good habits already established in terms of practice, physical fitness and nutrition (especially the college kids). Probably why they are leaving Bonk and Barkey in London and were happy when Bill Gauthier was committed to BC. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 1 hour ago, mojo1917 said: Probably why they are leaving Bonk and Barkey in London and were happy when Bill Gauthier was committed to BC. I'd trust the Knights to develop ALL our prospects more than LHV. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyer4ever Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 2 hours ago, flyercanuck said: I'd trust the Knights to develop ALL our prospects more than LHV. I trust a single A minor atom coach to better develop prospects than the Flyers currently do. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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