David Jiricek available for trade? ----> UPDATE: Jiricek sent to AHL

[RonJeremy]

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Good story about how Jiricek is being benched and has not played alot since being drafted three years ago. Maybe we can offer Drysdale or Risto plus a second rounder to get him. His value is low since he has been benched by several different coaches. He has only played 52 games in the NHL over three seasons and only 5 this season.  Maybe we can get him. Maybe we can unload Drysdale before everyone realizes he's a flop. 

Edited November 20 by pilldoc

[RonJeremy]

P.S. Drysdale is injured again..out for 2 weeks.

[yave1964]

5 hours ago, RonJeremy said:

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Good story about how Jiricek is being benched and has not played alot since being drafted three years ago. Maybe we can offer Drysdale or Risto plus a second rounder to get him. His value is low since he has been benched by several different coaches. He has only played 52 games in the NHL over three seasons and only 5 this season.  Maybe we can get him. Maybe we can unload Drysdale before everyone realizes he's a flop. 

Watch more bluejackets games than anyone who is not court ordered. Thoughts on jiricek 

 

  He is mindless. Seriously, I watch him pause every time the other team comes into the zone. He watches his defensive partner, has no instincts just mirrors his partner a half a second later. He is big but tries to play a skilled game, has no interest in boxing people out. Because he is slow as he is letting his partner set the tempo, he gets called for holding about every other game. 

 

  That said, he is fine moving the puck. Good first pass, accurate and strong. And he has very good vision while on offense. 

 

So some offense, upside of a second pair or second power play. His defense is putrid. Picked number six in the draft, wayyyyyy to high. I guess if he was partnered with a brilliant defender he could build his game but tons of defensive deficiency.

[RonJeremy]

49 minutes ago, yave1964 said:

Watch more bluejackets games than anyone who is not court ordered. Thoughts on jiricek 

 

  He is mindless. Seriously, I watch him pause every time the other team comes into the zone. He watches his defensive partner, has no instincts just mirrors his partner a half a second later. He is big but tries to play a skilled game, has no interest in boxing people out. Because he is slow as he is letting his partner set the tempo, he gets called for holding about every other game. 

 

  That said, he is fine moving the puck. Good first pass, accurate and strong. And he has very good vision while on offense. 

 

So some offense, upside of a second pair or second power play. His defense is putrid. Picked number six in the draft, wayyyyyy to high. I guess if he was partnered with a brilliant defender he could build his game but tons of defensive deficiency.

Wow, I believe he was rated as the top dman in that draft. How was this not noticed by the scouts? I wonder if he developed these habits since he turned pro or if he actually played this way in juniors? You would think the scouting reports would mention this. Do you think it's a coaching issue or is he just brain dead. Do you think Brad Shaw can coach him into a good player? Drysdale can't stay healthy and probably lost his spot to Andrae. Maybe Drysdale for Jiracek? 

[Math]

In case of a Drysdale-Jiricek trade, I just hope for the Jackets to use protection.

[yave1964]

16 minutes ago, RonJeremy said:

Wow, I believe he was rated as the top dman in that draft. How was this not noticed by the scouts? I wonder if he developed these habits since he turned pro or if he actually played this way in juniors? You would think the scouting reports would mention this. Do you think it's a coaching issue or is he just brain dead. Do you think Brad Shaw can coach him into a good player? Drysdale can't stay healthy and probably lost his spot to Andrae. Maybe Drysdale for Jiracek? 

I know the maturation of young defenders takes time, they say you really do not develop fully until around 300 games, but man this kid is tentative and afraid to make decisions on defense. If the Flyers aren't on watch a Jackets game and pay attention to him, he watches his partner rather than playing an instinctive game. He does have good confidence moving the puck though.   I dont think it is the coaches fault, i think he needs paired with someone like Tanev from Toronto who tells him to relax, knowing if he makes a mistake that a solid blueliner is back there to have his back.

[RonJeremy]

7 minutes ago, yave1964 said:

I know the maturation of young defenders takes time, they say you really do not develop fully until around 300 games, but man this kid is tentative and afraid to make decisions on defense. If the Flyers aren't on watch a Jackets game and pay attention to him, he watches his partner rather than playing an instinctive game. He does have good confidence moving the puck though.   I dont think it is the coaches fault, i think he needs paired with someone like Tanev from Toronto who tells him to relax, knowing if he makes a mistake that a solid blueliner is back there to have his back.

I guess that leaves the Flyers out,  we don't have any top veteran dman to pair him with so he can learn the right way. 

[OccamsRazor]

11 minutes ago, yave1964 said:

I know the maturation of young defenders takes time, they say you really do not develop fully until around 300 games, but man this kid is tentative and afraid to make decisions on defense. If the Flyers aren't on watch a Jackets game and pay attention to him, he watches his partner rather than playing an instinctive game. He does have good confidence moving the puck though.   I dont think it is the coaches fault, i think he needs paired with someone like Tanev from Toronto who tells him to relax, knowing if he makes a mistake that a solid blueliner is back there to have his back.

 

Could this be due to being rushed?

[yave1964]

2 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said:

 

Could this be due to being rushed?

it could be, like i said, he looks legit while carrying the puck just lost on defense. last year he partnered with Jake Bean the most of any Bluejacket who is a terrible defender which didnt help, and the coach last season did not do much with the ton of young players in the organization. I think a solid defenseman for a partner who takes sixty percent of the D zone and tells him to relax and take a deep breath would be the best thing for him. Columbus may trade him but they certainly wont give him away. he just looks like he is years away from being a fully productive complete player.

[RonJeremy]

16 hours ago, yave1964 said:

it could be, like i said, he looks legit while carrying the puck just lost on defense. last year he partnered with Jake Bean the most of any Bluejacket who is a terrible defender which didnt help, and the coach last season did not do much with the ton of young players in the organization. I think a solid defenseman for a partner who takes sixty percent of the D zone and tells him to relax and take a deep breath would be the best thing for him. Columbus may trade him but they certainly wont give him away. he just looks like he is years away from being a fully productive complete player.

He fits in perfectly with our twenty year aggressive retool/rebuild .

[flyer4ever]

He is far too young and healthy for the Flyers brain trust to have any interest. They will look at him in 10 years when he has a career ending core injury and a NMC contract.

[OccamsRazor]

2 hours ago, RonJeremy said:

He fits in perfectly with our twenty year aggressive retool/rebuild .

 

Flip them Frost for him...

[flyerdog]

18 hours ago, yave1964 said:

I know the maturation of young defenders takes time, they say you really do not develop fully until around 300 games, but man this kid is tentative and afraid to make decisions on defense. If the Flyers aren't on watch a Jackets game and pay attention to him, he watches his partner rather than playing an instinctive game. He does have good confidence moving the puck though.   I dont think it is the coaches fault, i think he needs paired with someone like Tanev from Toronto who tells him to relax, knowing if he makes a mistake that a solid blueliner is back there to have his back.

shades of Joni Pitkanen...he was fine when he played with DesJardins...but when he was expected to be the guy...it was clear that he needed the same type of dynamic

[radoran]

12 hours ago, flyerdog said:

shades of Joni Pitkanen...he was fine when he played with DesJardins...but when he was expected to be the guy...it was clear that he needed the same type of dynamic

 

Kind of the same thing with Provorov.

 

It's the difference between a 1A and a 1b.

 

Guys that can really control and take over a game are rare.

 

A Desjardins type is a terrific example of a guy who adds so much more to a defense than points.

[GratefulFlyers]

On 11/13/2024 at 1:17 PM, RonJeremy said:

P.S. Drysdale is injured again..out for 2 weeks.

 

Sounds fairly minor he should be back in a week or so. But what then? His health was a concern now his game is too. 3pts in 15 games. He has to step it up in a big way when he gets back on the ice. He's playing 20+ a night he needs to start scoring.

[flyerdog]

Emil Andrae has given them a good problem to have,

 

and credit where credit is due, Risto has been playing well also

 

again, good problem to have. 

 

I'm guessing York has a concussion? 

Edited November 17 by flyerdog

[GratefulFlyers]

5 hours ago, flyerdog said:

I'm guessing York has a concussion? 

 

He was scheduled to be back in the lineup last night. I can't find any updates on York today why he didn't play. I did read he was in regular, full-contact jerseys the last 3 practices.

 

Andrae got hurt last night missed most of the 3rd no updates on him either.

 

Drysdale UBI is expected to miss another week he's skating in no-contact jerseys.

 

So unless York or Andrae is back by tomorrow the Flyers will need some help from Lehigh before the Avs game Monday night.

[RonJeremy]

Edmonton claimed Kapanen, wonder why the Flyers didn't pick him up, even just for the Phantoms. Jiricek was sent down,  I'd offer Drysdale for him. Drysdales days are numbered. 

[BobbyClarkeFan16]

On 11/13/2024 at 1:37 PM, yave1964 said:

Watch more bluejackets games than anyone who is not court ordered. Thoughts on jiricek 

 

  He is mindless. Seriously, I watch him pause every time the other team comes into the zone. He watches his defensive partner, has no instincts just mirrors his partner a half a second later. He is big but tries to play a skilled game, has no interest in boxing people out. Because he is slow as he is letting his partner set the tempo, he gets called for holding about every other game. 

 

  That said, he is fine moving the puck. Good first pass, accurate and strong. And he has very good vision while on offense. 

 

So some offense, upside of a second pair or second power play. His defense is putrid. Picked number six in the draft, wayyyyyy to high. I guess if he was partnered with a brilliant defender he could build his game but tons of defensive deficiency.

Slow to respond when players enter the defensive zone. Looking around for his defensive partner. Slow as he's letting his partner set the tempo. All at 20 years old. That doesn't sound like a bad defenseman. That sights like a guy that has received poor coaching and is in constant fear of making a mistake because he's going to get benched or sent to the AHL. 

 

The Columbus coaching staff has killed his confidence and he's playing afraid. This sounds 100% mental and that's a tough, tough thing to fix. However, what Jiricek has gone through can be fixed.

 

Honestly, I'd take a flyer (pardon the pun) on Jiricek because if Shaw can fix those issues, that's a potential franchise defenseman. I'm not sure I'd pay Columbus's asking price though because I'm being it's going to be stupid high. 

[RonJeremy]

2 hours ago, BobbyClarkeFan16 said:

Slow to respond when players enter the defensive zone. Looking around for his defensive partner. Slow as he's letting his partner set the tempo. All at 20 years old. That doesn't sound like a bad defenseman. That sights like a guy that has received poor coaching and is in constant fear of making a mistake because he's going to get benched or sent to the AHL. 

 

The Columbus coaching staff has killed his confidence and he's playing afraid. This sounds 100% mental and that's a tough, tough thing to fix. However, what Jiricek has gone through can be fixed.

 

Honestly, I'd take a flyer (pardon the pun) on Jiricek because if Shaw can fix those issues, that's a potential franchise defenseman. I'm not sure I'd pay Columbus's asking price though because I'm being it's going to be stupid high. 

I’ll gladly trade Drysdale and a second round pick for him.

[mojo1917]

18 hours ago, RonJeremy said:

I’ll gladly trade Drysdale and a second round pick for him.

I'd do this too.

 

[BobbyClarkeFan16]

1 hour ago, mojo1917 said:

I'd do this too.

 

I get that everyone is excited, but players that are broken mentally? That's a challenge for any franchise and this franchise does not have a good track record at all when it comes to player development. 

 

If you can get Jiricek for cheap, sure. A former sixth overall choice that is on a club that doesn't know what to do with him seems like a good choice, but it's going to take A LOT of work to get him back to being viable and the head coach here isn't the most patient guy. 

 

I wouldn't give up anything substantial for him. And I also want that surgically repaired knee to be given a thorough look over as well. And I'm not talking typical Flyers medical either. It would require a renowned orthopedic surgeon to look over the medical files before I'd consider. Nobody from the Flyers medical staff would look at those files. 

 

And no to any prospect like Bonk or Gill. Those two are potential cornerstone guys on the right side.

[mojo1917]

On 11/22/2024 at 4:35 PM, BobbyClarkeFan16 said:

I get that everyone is excited, but players that are broken mentally? That's a challenge for any franchise and this franchise does not have a good track record at all when it comes to player development. 

 

If you can get Jiricek for cheap, sure. A former sixth overall choice that is on a club that doesn't know what to do with him seems like a good choice, but it's going to take A LOT of work to get him back to being viable and the head coach here isn't the most patient guy. 

 

I wouldn't give up anything substantial for him. And I also want that surgically repaired knee to be given a thorough look over as well. And I'm not talking typical Flyers medical either. It would require a renowned orthopedic surgeon to look over the medical files before I'd consider. Nobody from the Flyers medical staff would look at those files. 

 

And no to any prospect like Bonk or Gill. Those two are potential cornerstone guys on the right side.

oh absolutely I agree with you here.

a project for a project though, I'd do it.

I think Drysdale is looking like a project with a long road ahead to reach his potential.

I wouldn't trade Bonk or any of the blue chippers; but a #6 for a #6 change of scenery situation?  with Jiricek in the minors, I don't think the Flyers would need to add a pick. 

In Brad Shaw I trust.

 

[GratefulFlyers]

1 hour ago, mojo1917 said:

I think Drysdale is looking like a project with a long road ahead to reach his potential.

 

But why does that make him trade bait? We have our RHD project. I haven't seen Jiricek skate but we know the Dry-man can skate.

 

What we don't know about Drysdale are 2 things: 1) if he can stay healthy and imho it's too early to tell, and 2) if he's any good, again too early to know. Why jettison a guy who's already here for a known trouble-case? Is Jiricek's projected ceiling so much higher than Drysdale's?

 

From what I read Waddell is looking for scoring help anyway; he won't want Drysdale.

[RonJeremy]

33 minutes ago, GratefulFlyers said:

 

But why does that make him trade bait? We have our RHD project. I haven't seen Jiricek skate but we know the Dry-man can skate.

 

What we don't know about Drysdale are 2 things: 1) if he can stay healthy and imho it's too early to tell, and 2) if he's any good, again too early to know. Why jettison a guy who's already here for a known trouble-case? Is Jiricek's projected ceiling so much higher than Drysdale's?

 

From what I read Waddell is looking for scoring help anyway; he won't want Drysdale.

Drysdale has been injured 4 or 5 separate times in 4 years with several major long term injuries. He can skate and that's about it, he is terrible defensively and is not a good shooter. It's safe to say he's one of those guys that just keeps getting hurt, just like Wade Allison. Allison got hurt from playing physical,  Drysdale is just a 98lb weakling, who doesn't play physical and doesn't have the on ice awareness and elusiveness to avoid being hit. If he was creating offense and it offset his defensive deficiency than OK, but he's close to losing his job to Andrae and we have Bonk coming. To me, he's on his way out. If we can get Jiricek id do it, he has size and a big shot, his weaknesses is skating. Drysdale lost too much early development time and is always hurt. Jiracek is younger and can be developed. We can move out Risto and Drysdale and replace them with Bonk and Jiricek for next season.  If Columbus wants offense ,I'd offer Farabee. 

Edited November 25 by RonJeremy