Cap goes up to 72?

[doom88]

Thought you wre talking about Timonen. My bad.

No problem, just wanted to make sure we were on the same subject.

[Jmdodgesrt4]

Why would they raise the cap then lower it? Makes no sense...

[Jmdodgesrt4]

Yep. That worked. Anyways, the cba doesn't expire till the end of September. So that means it's business as usual. Cap must be presented before ufa period July 1st. New cba goes into effect oct 1st( if agreed on and ratified) and the cap would be adjusted depending on the triggers, ie revenue to player percentage

[AJgoal]

It's a function of the current CBA. The big jump is probably at least partially related to the loss of Atlanta in favor of Winnipeg. However, the prevailing conventional wisdom is that the owners will want to cut back on the percantage that the players get, and decrease the cap in the new CBA.

[doom88]

It's a function of the current CBA. The big jump is probably at least partially related to the loss of Atlanta in favor of Winnipeg. However, the prevailing conventional wisdom is that the owners will want to cut back on the percantage that the players get, and decrease the cap in the new CBA.

I'm okay with that as long as they drop ticket prices. Want to grow the sport? Get more people in the building.

[orange_crush]

Next year as it stands now the cap is expected to rise to 72 mil from 64 right now. Then expected to fall close to 20 percent once the new cba is signed. Questions or comments.

Good news for us, Snider likes to spend money..

[AJgoal]

Good news for us, Snider likes to spend money..

Not really. Say Holmgren spends to the 72 million dollar offseason cap. If the cap then falls to 58 million, the Flyers would be forced to shed a ton of salary, and not necesarily in players they want to get rid of.

This is problematic since the CBA expires with only a couple weeks to go until the season starts. Teams may put off signing free agents until the new cap is in place, but those players will miss training camp and most of the offseason, unless they come in on "tryout" contracts. The best solution may be to keep the cap for the season, then lower it next offseason, allowing teams to buy out players at that time. Small market teams may not like it very much, but I can see the way the cap is anticipated to behave this summer playing hell with just about everyone.

[orange_crush]

Not really. Say Holmgren spends to the 72 million dollar offseason cap. If the cap then falls to 58 million, the Flyers would be forced to shed a ton of salary, and not necesarily in players they want to get rid of.

This is problematic since the CBA expires with only a couple weeks to go until the season starts. Teams may put off signing free agents until the new cap is in place, but those players will miss training camp and most of the offseason, unless they come in on "tryout" contracts. The best solution may be to keep the cap for the season, then lower it next offseason, allowing teams to buy out players at that time. Small market teams may not like it very much, but I can see the way the cap is anticipated to behave this summer playing hell with just about everyone.

why would the cap drop the following year to $58 million?

[AJgoal]

The CBA expires on September 15. It's expected that as a part of the new CBA, the owners will want to roll back players' salary percentages.

Jmdodgesrt4, on Mar 11, 2012 - 04:27 PM, said:

Next year as it stands now the cap is expected to rise to 72 mil from 64 right now. Then expected to fall close to 20 percent once the new cba is signed. Questions or comments.

20 percent of 72 million is roughly 14 million, or a drop to 58 million. Since the new CBA would have to be signed this offseason, it creates a cap rollercoaster. Spending to the cap this offseason is not advisable.

Edit: To clarify, the drop from 72 to 58 is expected to be THIS summer. That is, it's expected to go up to 72 until the CBA expires on September 15, then drop to whatever the new number is once the new CBA goes into effect.

Edited March 14, 2012 by AJgoal

[idahophilly]

Still doesn't make sense. Players are NOT going to take a voluntarry pay cut. If not then the owners/gm's have to make huge roster cuts. Either way the players loose and I can't see that happening. And if revenues are up why is this an issue??? I think there are ways to decrease the % the players get while mantaining the current cap with modest increases graduated over time....

[aziz]

And if revenues are up why is this an issue???

the small market teams, i would assume. the current salary floor is above the original cap ceiling. there are those that want that dealt with. at the very least, they want a bigger allowable spread between ceiling and floor, but that means the players end up with a smaller percentage overall.

I think there are ways to decrease the % the players get while mantaining the current cap with modest increases graduated over time....

well, the cap is determined by a percentage of revenue...can't really decrease the percentage without decreasing the cap.

[Vanflyer]

@doom88-

"I'm okay with that as long as they drop ticket prices. Want to grow the sport? Get more people in the building."

Kind of hard to do that when 2/3 of the league are at or near capacity for EVERY game. The ones that are struggling are either crappy teams or crappy markets (and sometimes BOTH).

2011-12 Attendance Home Road Overall

RK TEAM GMS TOTAL AVG PCT GMS AVG PCT GMS AVG PCT

1 Philadelphia 34 699,124 20,562 108.6 38 17,111 94.4 72 18,741 101.3

2 Chicago 37 796,461 21,525 105.0 36 17,628 96.7 73 19,603 101.1

3 Toronto 35 683,350 19,524 103.7 37 17,748 96.6 72 18,611 100.1

4 Pittsburgh 34 631,065 18,560 102.6 37 17,988 98.1 71 18,262 100.2

5 Vancouver 35 660,910 18,883 102.5 36 17,565 95.8 71 18,214 99.1

6 Washington 36 666,216 18,506 101.3 36 17,376 95.2 72 17,941 98.3

7 Detroit 34 684,244 20,124 100.7 38 17,748 97.2 72 18,870 98.9

Ottawa 37 713,718 19,289 100.7 36 17,292 94.0 73 18,304 97.5

9 Boston 36 632,320 17,564 100.0 35 18,592 99.8 71 18,071 99.9

Calgary 36 694,404 19,289 100.0 37 17,048 93.3 73 18,153 96.7

Edmonton 38 639,882 16,839 100.0 34 17,335 94.2 72 17,073 97.1

Los Angeles 36 643,742 17,881 100.0 36 15,962 87.9 72 16,921 93.9

Montreal 37 787,101 21,273 100.0 36 17,560 97.0 73 19,442 98.7

San Jose 35 614,704 17,562 100.0 36 17,180 94.5 71 17,368 97.2

Winnipeg 38 570,152 15,004 100.0 34 17,893 95.6 72 16,368 97.7

16 Buffalo 37 685,798 18,535 99.9 35 17,725 96.8 72 18,141 98.4

NY Rangers 35 636,652 18,190 99.9 36 18,579 105.5 71 18,387 102.7

18 Minnesota 34 603,945 17,763 98.3 37 16,800 92.0 71 17,261 95.0

19 St. Louis 37 695,002 18,783 98.1 36 17,349 94.5 73 18,076 96.4

20 Nashville 36 598,759 16,632 97.2 36 16,847 91.8 72 16,739 94.4

21 Tampa Bay 36 664,475 18,457 96.1 35 17,090 93.8 71 17,783 95.0

22 New Jersey 36 551,675 15,324 86.9 36 17,318 94.9 72 16,321 91.0

23 Florida 37 611,918 16,538 86.1 34 17,427 95.9 71 16,964 90.7

24 Anaheim 37 541,236 14,628 85.6 36 16,828 92.7 73 15,712 89.2

25 Colorado 37 569,593 15,394 85.5 37 17,544 95.9 74 16,469 90.8

26 Carolina 37 583,871 15,780 84.5 36 17,310 95.3 73 16,535 89.7

27 NY Islanders 37 485,312 13,116 80.8 35 17,591 95.3 72 15,291 88.3

28 Columbus 35 510,292 14,579 80.4 37 17,648 95.5 72 16,156 88.2

29 Dallas 36 497,294 13,813 74.5 36 16,529 91.0 72 15,171 82.7

30 Phoenix 36 438,153 12,170 71.1 37 16,937 92.7 73 14,586 82.4

http://espn.go.com/nhl/attendance/_/sort/homePct

[idahophilly]

why would the cap drop the following year to $58 million?

This is what I have been trying to figure out. The Players Union ISN'T gonna let that happen, even if means a lockout scenerio! Besides , why would it drop to 58 mil...? I think this is just unfounded rumor...

[doom88]

I think those numbers are ticket sales, not gate numbers. I'm not talking about corporate sales, or buybacks to have a "sellout", but normal people that actually show up to the games.