Trade Confirmed JVR traded for Luke Schenn

[Vanflyer]

As far as wings go, I was basing it off of the depth chart here

http://rotoworld.com...adelphia-flyers

I can't see the Flyers moving Danny B to wing, which creates a logjam.

Maybe you do

Hartnell-G-Simmonds

Wellwood-Briere-Voracek

Read-Couts-Schenn

Harry Z-Talbot-Sestito

I clicked on your link and all I see is a roster list.

Please explain why their is a log jam at RW?

Why do you insist on putting players on their off wings- on the same line no less (Read / Schenn)?

I have more to say, but let us start with those first questions.

[Spinorama]

Yet, I don't think he will be attached to the lofty expectations that JVR was.

which could very well work to his benefit

[DaGreatGazoo]

@Vanflyer

By the way, I know you are NOT from the Yukon. And are not currently in the Yukon. The thing Yukon-ish about you, is the bottle of Yukon Jack in your car's glove compartment.

[jkearse123]

I clicked on your link and all I see is a roster list.

Please explain why their is a log jam at RW?

Why do you insist on putting players on their off wings- on the same line no less (Read / Schenn)?

I have more to say, but let us start with those first questions.

http://rotoworld.com/teams/depth-charts/NHL.aspx

Go to Flyers. They have Read as a LW and Schenn as a RW. I'm basing it off that list

[flyercanuck]

Zolniercyk-Read-xxxx?

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Uh oh, somethings wrong. I can't read the last name....am I banned?

[Vanflyer]

@Vanflyer

By the way, I know you are NOT from the Yukon. And are not currently in the Yukon. The thing Yukon-ish about you, is the bottle of Yukon Jack in your car's glove compartment.

Damn those pigeons of yours spying on me!!!

[Vanflyer]

Go to Flyers. They have Read as a LW and Schenn as a RW. I'm basing it off that list

don't believe everything you read. Schenn plays Center / LW and Read plays Center / RW. :-)

[Podein25]

don't believe everything you read.

Now you tell me!

I think people put way too much into this Wing stuff.

It's no doubt true that some players are simply better at playing the offwing than others, probably because they are better hockey players, can take and give passes on the backhand etc. The solution is to have more of those (better) players. Versatile, smart, coachable hockey players who can learn to play either equally well.

We should be thrilled that it's guys like Read and Schenn we are talking about and not, say, Carcillo, who couldn't take or give a pass on his forehand never mind his back hand. In short, it's a nice problem to have.

[canoli]

The solution is to have more of those (better) players. Versatile, smart, coachable hockey players who can learn to play either equally well.

great post. If the Flyers would quit going for the big FA "name" every summer and concentrate on finding guys like this ... well we wouldn't be stuck with Ilya "I Wanna Be The Highest-Paid Goalie" Bryzgalov.

We've got a good crop of younger guys who fit your description. One we basically lucked into, the rest we got through good scouting and smart trading. Thankfully it sounds like Homer isn't willing to part with them - at least the obvious names in the bunch, ie. Schenn and Couturier...

I hope that thinking applies to all of the guys who saw significant ice time last season. All of them, from Harry and Zac and Wellwood to Gus and Manning, they look like "versatile, smart, coachable hockey players" to me. I know you have to give up something good to get something good but as far as I'm concerned the Flyers, once they re-sign Carle, will be every bit as solid as any team in the NHL - If the Goaltender Doesn't Suck Away the Season Again.

edit: (sorry "Bryz" I know it's not *all* on you...but you're most of it you Friggin' FLAKE)

Edited June 27, 2012 by canoli

[LegionOfDoom]

The Trade has all the potentail to succeed. We gained a necessity and lost a commodity.

In regards to the other topic at hand. Simmer and Hartnell play a similar game, when we had Hartnell, Briere and the other guy that walked away for more money(V.L), We lost that scoring line. Jake has V.L. skills but is physically stronger on the puck.

So if Hartsy stays on G's line, we can still role Simmer Briere and Jake.(Same In/tangibles as the past H.B.L line on paper)

Hartnell-G-Schenn

Simmonds-Briere-Voracek

Read-Couts-Rinaldo

Sestito-Talbot-Wellwood

EVERY LINE HAS GOTTA CHIME,(Schenn hits and can defend line, Simmer Hits and can defend line, Rinaldo hits and can defend line, Sesito hits and can defend line).

I wouldn't say this is my ideal situation, but you rotate all lines evenly, boom, boom, boom, boom; wave after wave after wave after wave of Lavy's system if played properly can tire out the opponent and with our D shored up with Heavy Hitters ala Grossmann and Luke Richards err I mean Hard Hitter Luke Schenn (Luke Richards hits like a mofo) and Mez's willingness to shoot the point shot and slippery Carle once in a while when he wants to.

Of course you know what we get in Timmo and Coby, brings us a solid Team.

Bryz can shake the Media cobbwebbs off and will know what to expect, and won't be blindsided like he was this year, "Hey I'm yusta Wild en Krazy GUY! "(He needs to work on Explosive positional movements this summer, along with flexibility/agility) and last but not Least, bring in our Defensive specialist Assistant Coach Terry M. and promote the "Chief" to Coach of our AHL team and we can be Cup Closer to win.

Of course FA signings can help. Parise would answer the question of Who's on First? (with G's line)

And keep Jagr?.... I would.

Parise-G-Jagr

Hartnell-Briere-Voracek

Read-Couts-Simmonds

Talbot-Schenn-Rinaldo/Wellwood

Walks off the stage.....

Edited June 29, 2012 by LegionOfDoom

[doom88]

I really like the first group of four lines, and the logic makes sense. Nicely done.

[Vanflyer]

I think people put way too much into this Wing stuff.

While I agree somewhat, I also think that players have preferences. Some guys like having their stick towards the (ie shooting off wing) and are willing to sacrifice some things for it. I guess if it was that interchangeable, why wouldn't it be more prevelant in the NHL??

[Podein25]

While I agree somewhat, I also think that players have preferences. Some guys like having their stick towards the (ie shooting off wing) and are willing to sacrifice some things for it. I guess if it was that interchangeable, why wouldn't it be more prevelant in the NHL??

I don't know too many players that don't like the idea of being on their off-wing coming in over the blue line. It's not like the game is played in perfectly straight lines anyway, so it happens all the time.

The question is can a player play the off-wing in all areas of the ice, especially coming out of our zone. It would be more prevalent if more players could do it successfully and reliably which means they've done it when they were younger I guess.

[Vanflyer]

The question is can a player play the off-wing in all areas of the ice, especially coming out of our zone. It would be more prevalent if more players could do it successfully and reliably which means they've done it when they were younger I guess.

Good point. For me personally, I hate coming out of my zone on the off wing. As you pointed out, there are also defensive things that are tougher (ie. clearing the puck out, etc.).

The only thing Leclair could do on his back hand is lift the puck in the net if he was 3 feet away- otherwise it was a dying quail.

[Podein25]

it was a dying quail.

Lol. true.

I hate coming out of my zone on the off wing.

I was fine with it. Interestingly, the other team would check you (over-aggressive) based on the assumption that you couldn't make an accurate cross ice pass from your backhand. It was often easy to trap one or more in the neutral zone that way.