OzFlyer Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 I doubt if we will be getting Parise or Suter this off season and with the loss of JVR, Jagr and Carle do you really think our Phantom Scrubs are going to replace them??Did you watch the last game of the finals against N?J? (It took me a few weeks) Lots of kids running around is what i saw.Are you willing to have a season like the Phillies in order to have the slim hope of landing Shea Weber??If Suter is going o get $8 mil how much would you pay for Weber??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Quigster Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Parise and Suter are good players,not superstar players. This year GMs are throwing a lot of money at far players far exceding their skill levels. I don't fault the players,its the GMs who are irresponsible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillygrump Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Yes I am willing to forego these UFAs so we can sign Weber. Whatever puts us closer to winning a cup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KjellShocked Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 I doubt if we will be getting Parise or Suter this off season and with the loss of JVR, Jagr and Carle do you really think our Phantom Scrubs are going to replace them??Did you watch the last game of the finals against N?J? (It took me a few weeks) Lots of kids running around is what i saw.Are you willing to have a season like the Phillies in order to have the slim hope of landing Shea Weber??If Suter is going o get $8 mil how much would you pay for Weber???I doubt we get Suter and or Parise but when the dust settles, we do resign Carle. Maybe at a higher number than we like but such is life when it's an offseason where supply does not equal demand. I'd reather have Carle and $1,000,000 more than expected than no Carle at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanflyer Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 @OzFlyerWho is offerring Suter 8m? The Flyers and Detroits offers are both 7m, with Detroits being a year longer (12y v 13 y). The part we don't know is how much SALARY is front loaded. I doubt either team cares all that much about that (well, perhaps the Flyers since Breezy will get half of his salary in his first 3 years). Valuation aside, both teams have very deep pockets.I always think it is funny how people bash Philly. Have you ever been to Detroit?? It is no paradise, bitter cold in the winter, etc. What they have is a great hockey organization. The Flyers have a great hockey organization as well. Nashville has a great hockey organization too.For players that have families, the locale is equally as important as the quality of the organization.Suter is not going to get 8m. He will get 6.5 - 7m depending on what he considers important.The thing with Weber is not only how much are you going to pay, but how much are you going to decimate your team (prospects included). I keep reading how everyone thinks they can throw money at Weber next year. I do not get that. He is a RFA NOW. If anyone thinks that Nashville is either not going to sign him mid to long term now or jettison him NOW, they are foolish. Poile WILL NOT sign him to a one year deal to leave him as a UFA next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doom88 Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Poile had to qualify Weber for RFA status. All Weber has to do is sign on the dotted line and he's UFA next summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 @ "Parise and Suter are good players,not superstar players." I dunno, when a guy puts up 94 pts, your pretty close to being a superstar. He did it 3 years ago, not consistant with it obviously, but the Devils do play a defense first system, which tends to stifle the offensive stats. Zach is a star in my books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzFlyer Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Suter is not going to get 8m. He will get 6.5 - 7mWould you believe 7.5 and 13 years? So how much does Weber get now? $8.5? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 @OzFlyer@OzFlyer Weber might be worth the max on the open market....14 mill....LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzFlyer Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Weber might be worth the max on the open market....14 mill....LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanflyer Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Would you believe 7.5 and 13 years? So how much does Weber get now? $8.5?There are two scenarios for Weber:1) Be the man in Nashville and let the brinks truck back up to his house2) Say FU, I want to play else where and get a ton of stuff back for trading meMy opinion is #1. Nashville has some really good young d-men (ie. Suter is somewhat replaceable).THIS summer is the summer for Weber. He will not sign a 1 year contract again. The Flyers have no more chips to play. As much as I like Weber, he is one player and I am not giving Voracek, Couturier / Schenn 1st round picks to get him.If he was THAT great, Nashville would have gone further in the playoffs. He is only ONE player.It will be fun to laugh at Minny this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilsFanDrew Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 I don't see how the Flyers compare to the 2012 Phillies at all. The Flyers are a young upstart team. They are more comparable to the 06/07 Phillies if anything. The Phillies are an older broken down team. The loss of JVR and Jagr is overblown IMO. JVR was out most of their year and our offense didn't miss a beat. Jagr got off to a nice start but then hit a wall midseason and his production went down. I think with more ice time and more prominent roles, guys like Schenn and Courterier can increase their offensive output to make up for those losses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doom88 Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 I don't see how the Flyers compare to the 2012 Phillies at all. The Flyers are a young upstart team. They are more comparable to the 06/07 Phillies if anything. The Phillies are an older broken down team. The loss of JVR and Jagr is overblown IMO. JVR was out most of their year and our offense didn't miss a beat. Jagr got off to a nice start but then hit a wall midseason and his production went down. I think with more ice time and more prominent roles, guys like Schenn and Courterier can increase their offensive output to make up for those losses.Agreed on Schenn and Couturier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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