pilldoc Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Never a dull moment in Flyers offseason! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimKerrFan12 Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Look we all would like to have Doan on the team. But enough to give him 4 years at a 7 mil cap hit? If we end up with nobody after all these offers, then I think we should overpay a bit to get a guy like Doan. He could be hugely important this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digityman Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Who the heck is scared of Minnesota? Because of Zach Praise? IMO, this was one of the most overhyped FA pools in a Long Time.Say, since..... Briere, Drury, Gomez? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Not exactly. They don't need to ship out anybody to be able to sign Doan, not right away. What I meant was that by Jake and MAB being unsigned, the Flyers won't exceed the cap if they were to sign Doan to 4.5/yr or so. Someone would have to go at that point if Weber actually comes to Philly, but it doesn't have to be those two.They do have to have room for the RFA tags they have put on the two players in addition to any others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Say, since..... Briere, Drury, Gomez?I think it's definitely up there with that one, yeah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Say, since..... Briere, Drury, Gomez?Ouch. Good call, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillygrump Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 @Onehipwonder87 Welcome to the board! This is probably the 10th time I've posted this....but why in the world do you think Getzlaf and Perry will become UFA's next year? In other words, you think the Ducks will commit fan base suicide like that? They will be moved....for outrageous assets.Yep. Why let your best players become FAs unless they just don't want to play there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Yep. Why let your best players become FAs unless they just don't want to play there.well, let's look at it...Suter said he wants to test the market. Nashville says they want to make a run to convince players that they really are committed to winning. They make a commitment to their goalie, make a deal for a depth character/faceoff guy and bring in a Russian star (who averages a point per game in the playoffs and is *still* a distraction) - adding to the signing/trades for the Kostitsyns, the Preds make the playoffs and get to the Conference Semis for the second year with arguably their best team yet..We don't know what they offered Suter. We don't know if Suter even came to them and said "here's what I'm getting offered."So Suter goes. To Minnesota. Who hasn't made the playoffs since 2007-2008. Because Nashville "isn't committed to winning."Does this pass your "smell test" because it stinks like high heaven to me. You know who doesn't seem "committed to winning" to me?Suter.Weber then decrees that Suter abandoning the team shows the team is not committed to winning and he wants to leave.Really? One guy leaves and that's it - furn out the lights on the franchise's hopes? Who's saying this? Some crazy-ass fan on a message board with some theory about whether Nashville is a viable place for hockey? No. Weber is. The guy who's wearing the C for the organization.We don't know what Weber was offered. We don't know a lot of what led up to the offer sheet being made.We do know he decided to run out on the organization on some flimsy excuse that he, in large part, created.And that - losing TWO players after losing ONE caused the CAPTAIN of the organization to lose faith - may, indeed, kill the franchise fanbase in Nashville.We'll see.It's just not as clear cut as we as Flyer fans might like it to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillygrump Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 @radoranA depth faceoff guy and Kostistyen (sorry for the spelling massacre) is Nashville's commitment to winning while Erat and Legwand are their top forwards? That doesn't sound like a true commitment to winning. Maybe you are right, it might not be that cut and dry, but don't you think its odd that 2 of Nashville's top 3 players couldn't wait to get out of town. So much so that they both signed contracts to leave within weeks of eachother after a season in which they publicly asked Nashville to show a commitment to winning. Also, its been documented that Nashville offered Weber 4.5 mil Jake Voracek might get that.I completely believe that Nashville is more to blame for losing these guys than anything else. By the way, Nashville had pleny of assets and cap room and all they add is Gaustad, Radulov, and Kostitsyen (I am butchering this)?I'm sorry rad, but I can't blame these two guys for being frustrated. By the way I missed the "smell test" reference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarsippius Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 If we end up with nobody after all these offers, then I think we should overpay a bit to get a guy like Doan. He could be hugely important this year.It's not the overpaying that scares me as much locking it in for 4 years, for a guy who will be 36 in a couple months. LTIR aside, there's only so much dead contract you can eat, in two years he could be sitting next to Pronger taking up a contract slot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHL95 Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 well, let's look at it...Suter said he wants to test the market. Nashville says they want to make a run to convince players that they really are committed to winning. They make a commitment to their goalie, make a deal for a depth character/faceoff guy and bring in a Russian star (who averages a point per game in the playoffs and is *still* a distraction) - adding to the signing/trades for the Kostitsyns, the Preds make the playoffs and get to the Conference Semis for the second year with arguably their best team yet..We don't know what they offered Suter. We don't know if Suter even came to them and said "here's what I'm getting offered."So Suter goes. To Minnesota. Who hasn't made the playoffs since 2007-2008. Because Nashville "isn't committed to winning."Does this pass your "smell test" because it stinks like high heaven to me. You know who doesn't seem "committed to winning" to me?Suter.Weber then decrees that Suter abandoning the team shows the team is not committed to winning and he wants to leave.Really? One guy leaves and that's it - furn out the lights on the franchise's hopes? Who's saying this? Some crazy-ass fan on a message board with some theory about whether Nashville is a viable place for hockey? No. Weber is. The guy who's wearing the C for the organization.We don't know what Weber was offered. We don't know a lot of what led up to the offer sheet being made.We do know he decided to run out on the organization on some flimsy excuse that he, in large part, created.And that - losing TWO players after losing ONE caused the CAPTAIN of the organization to lose faith - may, indeed, kill the franchise fanbase in Nashville.We'll see.It's just not as clear cut as we as Flyer fans might like it to be.I think it comes down to Nashville being an "unsexy" hockey market. That area is college football all the way. Even the Titans are second imo. Suter goes to Minnesota that is a big time hockey town, and Weber wants to go to Philly which is a hockey crazed city as well. So even though Nashville is on the rise and is doing better, it doesnt have that hockey city glamour to it. So i think more then money, that is why Suter and Weber opted to take their talents elsewhere. And since one of them came here...screw it i am happy. But i see what you mean with the prima donna references lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillygrump Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 I guess my entire point is that though this move is ruthless, that is business and that is pro sports. And though it may lose Holmgrein some friends or whatever you want to say, Nashville really has to shoulder half of the blame for losing these guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStraw Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 The hot rumour is that the Flyers have Shane Doan in town for a visit. Do any of you agree that they are pursuing him just incase they have to trade one of their Forwards to Nashville and sweeten the pot for Weber to get here?I think there is a very good chance that is the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Well, for what it's worth, Doan said he enjoyed his stay in Philadelphia... Here is the blog for those who are interested.http://philadelphiaflyersnation.wordpress.com/2012/07/21/doan-very-much-enjoyed-his-visit-in-philly/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hf101 Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 tweets by Lisa Hillary:"Doan's agent Terry Bross went on to say "first class organization" referring to the Flyers." Doan's agent "Shane very much enjoyed the visit, we are still waiting to see if ownership gets resolved in AZ but wanted to visit" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 I guess my entire point is that though this move is ruthless, that is business and that is pro sports. And though it may lose Holmgrein some friends or whatever you want to say, Nashville really has to shoulder half of the blame for losing these guys.I am IN NO WAY criticizing the move as being "outside the rules" - although it certainly bends them and IMO is a clear attempt at "circumvention" but I see how rational minds may differ.I am IN NO WAY absolving Nashville ownership and management.I am saying that this has to stop.Period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillygrump Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 I am IN NO WAY criticizing the move as being "outside the rules" - although it certainly bends them and IMO is a clear attempt at "circumvention" but I see how rational minds may differ.I am IN NO WAY absolving Nashville ownership and management.I am saying that this has to stop.Period.Ok. I do follow you. I agree that its a ruthless move. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AbelMorpheus Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 (edited) I was wondering how u guys did that lol. Thanks.Me too Edited July 22, 2012 by AbelMorpheus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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