Digityman Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Last night, news broke that the Montreal Canadiens may not yet be done making changes to their roster. All we know right now is that it most likely involves a major player, and he could either be traded or waived within the next few days.When I first heard the news, my immediate thought was that it's got to be Scott Gomez.He hasn't really been working out all that well for Montreal, and I'm sure they'd love to get him off the books to clear salary and potentially make a few more moves. After all, he hasn't really lived up to the $7,357,143 that he's making this year alone.However, Scott's contract will be hard to rid themselves of, unless they plan on just waiving him.It's hard not to believe the Philadelphia Flyers are at least kicking the tires with the Canadiens. As much as Paul Holmgren and Peter Laviolette say that they're "comfortable" with their team moving forward, I think they both know that they'll need to make a move at some point, even if it's not right away.Chris Pronger will be out until further notice, and we're still uncertain on Claude Giroux until he gets back on the ice.Knowing that the Flyers are certainly in the market for a defenseman, I began to wonder if maybe Montreal and Philadelphia have been talking a swap in order to obtain a much-needed blueliner. While I can't fully prove that these talks are even happening, I can assure you that the two teams have at least had discussions.So, who might the Flyers be interested in?Well, there's always the new addition, Tomas Kaberle. The Flyers have had an interest in Kaberle for some time now, but his salary is something that they would have a tough time fitting under the cap.If the Flyers were able to shed some salary, possibly Scott Hartnell's contract or another big contract, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Philadelphia go for Kaberle. I'm sure Philly fans everywhere would riot harder than Vancouver fans if that ever happened, but it's not out of the realm of possibility. So what about Hal Gill or Chris Campoli? Both have salaries that the Flyers could easily fit under the cap, both are unrestricted free agents at season's end and they probably wouldn't have to give up an arm or a leg to acquire them.Gill and Campoli will never fill Chris Pronger's shoes, but they would certainly help to stabilize the blue line, and their experience would only help the younger guys.Of the two, I think I'd rather have Hal Gill, but that's just me.Hal has the experience and knows what it takes to win a Stanley Cup. He's a competitor and he's got a big body. That would also give the Flyers three former Penguins. So, what do you think? Would you be interested in Hal Gill or Chris Campoli? Bleacher Report Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 NO on Kaberle. NO NO NO NO NO.And I don't think that Gill or Campoli bring anything to the table for the Flyers.Gill is -5 after 29 games. Campoli has played two games this season.Just don't see the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 (edited) I'd take Carey Price off their hands for Bryzgalov in a heartbeat. I honestly don't see much on the Habs that I'd want that they'd seriously be willing to trade. But Holmgren has a 2nd round pick burning a hole in his pocket. I swear if he trades for Gomez I quit being a Flyer fan until he's fired. Nobody could be stupid enough to trade for that contract. D'oh! Edited December 14, 2011 by flyercanuck 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xganarchy Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 I wouldn't mind Gill coming here, he's that big body that we've needed to clear the front of the net. Also a good vet presence. Plus he can be the #6 when Pronger gets back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 I guess I don't see how they fit Gill ($2.25) or Campoli ($1.75) if they can't fit walker ($1.7)I'd have had more interest in Spacek.Gomez is making $7.3M each for the next two seasons after this. ANYONE who picks that up is fundamentally insane and should be put in the Mike Milbury Home for Idiot GMs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irishjim Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 we are so up against the cap there is NO WAY we could get gomez. so maybe thats a good thing.. i don't put much into the +/- rating i'd at least kick the tires on gill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStraw Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 I like Hal Gill (he's a statue, but within his immediate sphere of influence he's not bad) but I can't see the Flyers giving up anything of value for him. Other than that, I don't think the Flyers and Habs make much sense as trading partners. No way on Gomez or Kaberle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idahophilly Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 God... I hope they don't do anything yet. Let's see what happens with what we have, get the real story on Pronger and find out about Giroux... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Why on earth would Montreal trade away Kaberle, who they just picked up?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 @brelic Maybe they've seen him play D? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 @brelicMaybe they've seen him play D?LOL, good point, but any GM worth his salt does not pick up Kaberle for his defensive prowess.Then again, Howson also thought Carter would be the much-needed center for Nash. Oops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 I agree with a consensus in this thread. Unless Montreal will offer Max Pacioretty and PK Subban, I really don't see anything exciting on their roster. And they are not trading either of those two. Plecanek? Ehmmm... Ok..... But why woudl we need a center unless Giroux is out for a long time?What I can't understand is why the Flyers are even looking to make a trade? They are playing well right now. Sure they have certain holes, like any team, but to address those holes, you would need to weaken your other spots. Bourdon seems getting more and more comfortable and confident with his game and when Gustavson comes back, they would be in a good shape, even WITHOUT Pronger. But we just won 7 in a raw, did we not? Where are these trade talks coming from? I don't get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 What I can't understand is why the Flyers are even looking to make a trade? They are playing well right now. Sure they have certain holes, like any team, but to address those holes, you would need to weaken your other spots. Bourdon seems getting more and more comfortable and confident with his game and when Gustavson comes back, they would be in a good shape, even WITHOUT Pronger. But we just won 7 in a raw, did we not? Where are these trade talks coming from? I don't get it.They're coming from the Bleacher Report - which I wouldn't necessarily take without a salt lick.it's statements like this:If the Flyers were able to shed some salary, possibly Scott Hartnell's contract or another big contract,That reveal the gaps in the "analysis." The Flyers' top five contracts all have NTC/NMCs on them. That makes the "IF" in that sentence the operative word.That, and the fealty to Kaberle - who IIRC the Flyers were considering trading LINDROS for backinnaday (to give some perspective on the last time Kaberle was worth squat) and who today is chopped liver who was a hanger on in Boston and a complete bust in Carolina - displays the utter lack of seriousness in this "trade proposal."Scott Hartnell is not taking a trade to Montreal. Book. It. Neither is Briere, Timonen, Bryzgalov or Pronger.I *might* ship Carle out for Gill - save some cap space this year and both are UFA - but with Carle taking up minutes and elevating play - why bother? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phlfly Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Gill is a good idea, but would Habs give him up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamflyers Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 No one from MTL will give the Flyers what they need. HELL NO to Gomez or Kaberle! Both will just put this team deeper into cap hell, all while taking a valuable piece from the team. I really don't want Gill. Yes, he is a big man, but the last thing they need is a big slow d-man to serve as a scarecrow out there. It is freakin December and the team is playing well with some very big players out of the line up. This is the perfect opportunity to groom the young kids and give them the extra minutes that they normally would not get. Lets keep giving Bourdon and Marshall the opportunity to prove themselves. I don't anticipate that this team will play at this high a level all year long (I have a short memory from last year) but it is hard to tinker with a line up that is playing this well. It is hard to really determine the problem areas until they shine through. Hopefully that never happens and we just fill in the gaps when our injured players return.Id like to see this team be able to go through the deadline without feeling they have to add any pieces. We remember how well it turned out when we picked up Versteeg! New players in the system don't always help, though that team was going to free fall with our without Versteeg anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent05 Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 I hope they don't make a trade anytime soon, the team has look great so far. I don't like any of the dman from Montreal, Gill is another big and slow guy which we don't need atm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilsFanDrew Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 No need for a trade. I enjoyed watching the young depth last night. These guys are hungry and want to prove themselves. I'd much rather watch them than trade for some overpaid unwanteds from some other team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Scott Hartnell is not taking a trade to Montreal. Book. It. Neither is Briere, Timonen, Bryzgalov or Pronger.Not to mention the very absurdity of even trading Hartnell right now. He's been playing well on the first line, finally got the chemistry down with Briere and Giroux. This would be totally illogical, contractual issues notwithstanding. And no way I am moving Carle for Gill. What would this trade gain exactly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 And no way I am moving Carle for Gill. What would this trade gain exactly? $1M in cap space immediately and both are UFAs at the end of the year. That's about it.I think I was pretty clear I wouldn't want Gill prior to that post, but I was searching in the dark for some sort of rationale.So "IF" they "had" to move someone to get Gill... Which they don't.Thus - "but with Carle taking up minutes and elevating play - why bother? " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 ....no way I am moving Carle for Gill. What would this trade gain exactly? Well it would please the Carle haters! That's something. They won't ever again have to wake up to see his name on the boxscore read 2A, 2P, +3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinorama Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 no need for a trade at this point. There's plenty of time left in the season to figure out where those that are injured will play into the overall equation. The young guys filling in have been doing very well. The team is finally developing it's youth and it's working so why rock the boat. And like everyone else has said, there really isn't much worth going after on that lineup, especially if you factor in age and or cap hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStraw Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Well it would please the Carle haters! That's something. They won't ever again have to wake up to see his name on the boxscore read 2A, 2P, +3+/- is a statistically inaccurate statistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 +/- is a statistically inaccurate statistic.So truly true Jack. You know it reminds me of how a face-off specialist (let's call him a "centre") is very much like a long snapper in football. You know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStraw Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 So truly true Jack. You know it reminds me of how a face-off specialist (let's call him a "centre") is very much like a long snapper in football. You know?I never thought of that, but now that you mention it, it makes a LOT of sense. And in fact the long snapper is also officially called a "centre" (or "center" as we say in America) if I'm not mistaken. They're almost the same thing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyguys03 Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Holy f**k. How is this person allowed to publish things he writes??? Hartnell for Kaberle? Homer would be shot instantly for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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