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RALEIGH, N.C - Coach Peter Laviolette says the Flyers' early-season penchant for taking penalties is "unacceptable."

The Flyers entered Monday tied for last in the NHL by averaging 17.1 penalty minutes per game, and they had committed the most minor penalties (88) in the league.

"It's too many," Laviolette said before the Flyers faced his former team, Carolina, on Monday.

He said he mentions those statistics every day to his players.

"There's a couple of parts of our game - that's one of them - that we're in control of," he said. "We're making poor decisions, and our actions have to be cleaner in what we do. We have to stay out of the box."

In Sunday's 3-2 win over the Florida Panthers, the Flyers survived seven minors because their penalty-killing unit continued to play brilliantly. The Flyers not only killed all seven Florida power plays, but they scored a shorthanded goal, thanks to a penalty shot by Matt Read.

The penalties "take the rotation out of the bench," Laviolette said. "Guys end up sitting who should be on the ice, and then when you did kill it off and get back to five-on-five hockey, there are guys who are sitting who can't get back on the ice because [the lines] are out of whack."

The Flyers began Monday having killed 26 of opponents' last 27 power plays, during which they went 4-0-1.

The penalty-killing duos of Max Talbot and Claude Giroux, and rookies Sean Couturier and Read have been especially effective.

After a slow start, the Flyers' penalty kill had climbed to 12th in the NHL with an 85.9 percent success rate. Pittsburgh was No. 1, at 94 percent.

In Toronto for Hall of Fame ceremonies, Flyers chairman Ed Snider told CSN that his team and the Pittsburgh Penguins would remain in the same division regardless of how realignment plays out.

Breakaways

Talbot, who lost a tooth and suffered a split lip when hit by Jason Garrison's high stick on Sunday, was in Monday's lineup after undergoing dental work earlier in the day. . . . Goalie Sergei Bobrovsky made his fifth start of the season and first start since Nov. 3 as Laviolette continued alternating his goalies on games played on back-to-back nights. Ilya Bryzgalov will face his former team, Phoenix, on Thursday at the Wells Fargo Center. . . . Entering Monday, the line of Scott Hartnell, Claude Giroux, and Jaromir Jagr had produced 31 points (16 goals, 15 assists) in the last nine games. . . . There is a chance defenseman Erik Gustafsson, who has missed the last three games because of a wrist injury, will play Thursday.

- Sam Carchidi

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The game last night was another ham fest when it came to the penalties that were called. I really believe it would help the game if they start fining the divers of the league. They can start with Briere. I don't know how many times he tried to draw a penalty last night by flopping on the ice and looking to the ref for a call. What it does is throws the timing of everyone out of sync and usually leads to a scoring chance from the other team because he puts everyone out of position when he does it. Until the divers of this league ( Avery, Briere, Neal, Malkin, Carcillo, Kennedy, Conolly , Bergeron just to name a few) start getting fined regularly by the league, this Greg Louganis fest will continue. Make the fines increase with more infractions and use the fines for a charity fund. Everybody wins that way, especially the fans that are tired of the BS calls due to the diving.....

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The game last night was another ham fest when it came to the penalties that were called. I really believe it would help the game if they start fining the divers of the league. They can start with Briere. I don't know how many times he tried to draw a penalty last night by flopping on the ice and looking to the ref for a call. What it does is throws the timing of everyone out of sync and usually leads to a scoring chance from the other team because he puts everyone out of position when he does it. Until the divers of this league ( Avery, Briere, Neal, Malkin, Carcillo, Kennedy, Conolly , Bergeron just to name a few) start getting fined regularly by the league, this Greg Louganis fest will continue. Make the fines increase with more infractions and use the fines for a charity fund. Everybody wins that way, especially the fans that are tired of the BS calls due to the diving.....

fine them! maybe go a step further. As it is now, when they call diving, they usually call the other player too. Like high sticking for one guy and unsportsmanlike on the other. When a dive is involved, let the person doing the diving be the only one getting a penalty, even if the other guy deserves a penalty. And slap another 2 on top of it. 4 min unsportsmanlike. That would get their attention more than a $10k fine or something cause it effects more than just their wallet. $10k is a lot but not that much when you're bringing in millions a year.

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This team has the knack for taking stupid penalties since Stevens was coach. We've been hearing Lavy said this since he took over and they still are the same. He needs to DO Something about it. Make the team skate laps if there's over 4 penalties a game, bench some1 if they take 2 penalties.

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Penalties and faceoffs will keep this team from being elite. And mediocre defensemen.

I think we have two excellent defenseman, three very good ones, and a hole plug. That's way better than mediocre. The problem is that we play a style that is not defensively tight. Other teams do much better defensively with much less talent.

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I am sure the NHLPA would have something to say about it but what about some type of "team penalty" for taking an undsiciplined, lazy penalties or multiple penalties in one game? Management would review the penalties after each game and vote. Offenders could "pay a penalty" by making a monitary donation to a flyers charity or buy the team meal on the next road trip.

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I think we have two excellent defenseman, three very good ones, and a hole plug. That's way better than mediocre. The problem is that we play a style that is not defensively tight. Other teams do much better defensively with much less talent.

They have two excellent defensemen that are old and one of them gets injured often. They have 3 inconsistent ones that are prone to big mistakes, but can be good on occasion. I have said before that the forwards aren't the most helpful, but there are tons of bonehead plays by those guys that end up in the net. And those plays have nothing to do with the forwards.

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I think quite often you see refs calling games "tight" at the start of the season and then the calls tend to ease off down the stretch.

There are, of course, exceptions to every rule.

But I think the refs feel they can teach guys to stop some of the more routine stuff and then they can really call the egregious things when it counts.

That said, the Flyers have been taking far too many routine penalties and they need to adapt to how the game's being called.

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The Flyers get called for a lot of penalties that other teams are not called for. For example Talbot's non-call in Miami,in last nights Penguins/Avalanche a lot of hard checks went uncalled,something Rinaldo gets nailed for every time he is on the ice.Excessive penalties for the Flyers have been around since the cup years. Lavi needs to talk to the league if he is really serious,the number one thing he needs to worry about is "PUCKS IN THE NET"! Instead of his chronic nagging,consider its his coaching style that creates these situations,not the guys.

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His coaching style convinces guys to take lazy stick penalties? Lazy holding penalties?

What's he giving them? Sleeping pills?

There is no league-wide vendetta against the Flyers. Virtually ever referee has entered the league in the last 20 years, so why would they have any vendetta against the Flyers - I'll wager some of them don't even know who the Broad Street Bullies are. Devorski is the longest-tenured ref, and he's only been on since 1987.

You know what people who watch their team play believe? That the refs are out to get them. In every city I have watched hockey, the vast majority of fans feel that there is some league-wide conspiracy against their team. No, really.

Stop making lazy plays and you'll stop taking lazy penaties. It's really that simple.

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If the league really wanted totally objective,consistent penalty calls,it could use instant replay,overhead moving camera,offer the coaches the option of a red flag to contest the call. The primary opposition would be the officials,just as in major league baseball the UMPS are the ones that sing "Mammy" the loudest. For example the collision between Lucic&Ryan Miller, Shanahan says no foul,Kerry Fraser says yes foul. This is the type of consistency/inconsistency that exist in the NHL. The NHL is twenty years behind the other major league sports in protecting the players!

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Simply put, the Flyers need to keep their sticks on the ice. Also, Lavy should mention to the refs the next time the Flyers are called for a hook, that technically speaking, the chicken-wing move some players do to draw a hook is in fact a holding the stick penalty.

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Simply put, the Flyers need to keep their sticks on the ice. Also, Lavy should mention to the refs the next time the Flyers are called for a hook, that technically speaking, the chicken-wing move some players do to draw a hook is in fact a holding the stick penalty.

At best that would make it offsetting minors.

In order for the "chicken wing" move to work, one's stick has to be already jabbed into the midsection of the opposing player...

This gets back to your "sticks on the ice" comment.

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