Should the NHL adopt OHL’s new rules that target fighting leaders?

[Irishjim]

By Greg Wyshynski | Puck Daddy – 44 minutes ago

There were only two players in the National Hockey League last season that fought at least 20 times: Brandon Prust, then of the New York Rangers, and the Boston Bruins' Shawn Thornton.

In total, there were 18 players that fought more than 10 times last season, accounting for 265 fights. According to HockeyFights.com, there were 546 fights in the 2011-12 campaign. (Keep in mind some of the fights for the frequent pugilists were between each other.)

Point is, there's a group of NHL players that participate in a large percentage of the fights that occur each season, regularly dropping the gloves well into double digits.

For those would like to see the frequency of fights in the NHL — and especially the staged bouts between designated fighters — curtailed, the Ontario Hockey League and commissioner David Branch may have created a means to do so with a controversial new rule announced on Wednesday.

As Y! Sports' Buzzing The Net blogger Neate Sager reported on Wednesday morning, the OHL will suspend players that fight frequently, as 31 players had over 10 fighting majors last season.

The plan, according to Branch on a conference call today, allows players to have up to 10 fighting majors without league repercussions. But any player that has 11-15 fights will be suspended two games for each fight; and any player that goes from 16-20 fights will be suspended two games for each fight and his team will be fined $1,000 each time.

One important caveat, via Loose Pucks: If there's an instigator on the other guy in a fight, then it won't count toward the other player's total. Which is a really, really shrewd restriction that speaks directly to the "honor in fighting" crowd.

Branch didn't speak about what happens after 20 fights, which is a shame because one of the driving forces behind this rule chance was Ty Bilcke of the Windsor Spitfires, who had 37(!) brawls last season. Which means, under these rules, he would have been suspended 20 games and his team fined $5,000. Again, in theory.

In reality, these new rules are intended to curb fighting. Now, frequent fighters are going to have to be more selective or else face suspension. The OHL is going to have a bunch of bloodthirsty pugilists contemplating whether the guy they want to pummel is worthy of the sacrifice.

In other words, before they drop the gloves they'll have to wonder, "Do I really want this guy in my 10?"

It's like the hockey version of the "sponge-worthy" episode of "Seinfeld."

(Y! Sports Junior Hockey Editor Sunaya Sapurji brings up another fallout from this rule: "So if I'm at 10 fights and you have less and we're gonna go... all you'd have to do is instigate me and I'm safe.")

TSN's Darren Dreger indicated that the NHL will watch this rule's development closely, and why not? They've been vocal about limiting some forms of fighting — like the Devils/Rangers brawls off the faceoff and other staged events — so the idea of curtailing the frequency of their most recurrent fighters seems to fit in that philosophy.

In fact, Colin Campbell told ESPN.com on Wednesday:

"They talk to us when they make rule changes like this," Campbell told ESPN.com Wednesday. "We've discussed the aspect of fighting over the years. We had a couple of initial discussions about this last spring. They were thinking about implementing some sort of quota. I mentioned to him we had debated that internally in Hockey Operations at the NHL level."

Plus, let's face it: When the NFL is getting sued off its arse over concussions and the NY Times is writing about player safety in hockey on what seems like a weekly basis, it would behoove the NHL to appear as proactive as possible in limiting fighting.

One imagines the NHL would look at a similar range of punishments as the OHL, although it wouldn't surprise us to see that 10-15 games bracket turned into a 1-game suspension with a fine for the team. Then the penalties would escalate after 15 fights. (Again, in theory.) The number of players with 15 or more fighting majors has dropped from 18 to 11 to 9 in the last three seasons.

Question is, does the NHL really need OHL-like regulations on frequent fighters, or is a reduction in fighting already occurring?

From HockeyFights.com:

There were 32 players who fought more than 10 times in 2010-11, and that number dropped to 18 last season.

I've long said that the culture of the NHL will dictate fighting's place in that game. It's now declined for four straight seasons. The heavyweights aren't peppering every roster anymore because many of them have been skated out of the League, thanks to the NHL 2.0 rules' emphasis on speed. And the remaining behemoths, like John Scott, are finding a lighter dance card every season -- too many "gutless pukes" and not enough opponents.

Branch's endgame, as Sager put it, seems to be the "outright removing fighting from junior hockey."

The NHL has no desire to eradicate fighting; question is, does it have enough of a desire to curtail it to implement suspensions and fines for players who fight too often?

[Irishjim]

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[idahophilly]

simply put.......NO.

[jammer2]

@idahophilly DOBULE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Didn't see this thread and posted one in the CHL area. Like I said there, the younger stars will have all kinds of cheap shots thrown their way....and the vets will be forced to pummel eithe do nothing or face a suspension. I predict all teams will have goons brougt up from the Junior B ranks and save thier own goons for the divisional games. Sad they would have to resort to that, but the smaller 16 year old kids are really at risk here. The genius Branch just have parents one more reason to send their kids to the NCAA...what a tool!!

[hf101]

The NHL isn't going to need to curb the number of fights by setting a number of allowed fights prior to a suspension, mainly because they are extinguishing the goon from the youth and feeder leagues. For the most part the players from Europe and the NCAA rarely fight. Once fighting is limited in the Junior Leagues you will see less and less in the AHL and NHL.

Looking at last years numbers there was only 18 players that had more than 10 fights last year and only 6 that had more than 15 fights in an 82 game season. I think that number will continue to shrink without initiating any suspension type rules.

[jammer2]

@hf101 "The NHL isn't going to need to curb the number of fights by setting a number of allowed fights prior to a suspension, mainly because they are extinguishing the goon from the youth and feeder leagues"

Really, really solid point 101...if that type of player/action is taken out of the CHL, where 60% of the players come from, the result will be less fighting in the NHL....BUT the stick infractions will skyrocket.

[hf101]

BUT the stick infractions will skyrocket.

I dunno, I think the league has a handle on stick infractions. Holding, Slashing, and High Sticking can be called pretty tight. 5 minute majors without taking an opposing player to the penalty box can put your team at an easy disadvantage. On the other hand I think we will see more roughing.

[Podein25]

@jammer2

I'm with you on all this stuff buddy. Old school. The game has been able to police itself for decades, whether in formal league play, or outdoors on the proverbial pond. It's thru a good honest fight that honour and respect is earned and kept. The game does not need to be changed.

[jammer2]

@Podein25 " It's thru a good honest fight that honour and respect is earned and kept."

Well said bro, well said...