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So...more what if questions... Pronger is on LTIR for the remainder of the regular season. We get the "credit" for his cap hit. Suppose the Flyers trade for someone..someone pretty decent. If Pronger is cleared for the playoffs and comes of LTIR for the playoffs, there would be NO cap issue, correct, since the cap is calculated for the regular season only? Am I reading that correctly? Or does a player have to be off LTIR before the playoffs begin?

Doubtful Pronger comes back, IMO, but just wondering.

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I believe you are correct. There is no cap in the playoffs, therefore Pronger would (theoretically) be able to play. I don't think he would need to come off LTIR before the playoffs to be elligible. Aziz should be able to confirm that, or let you know if I'm talking out of my rear again...

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i don't....think so. i'm not sure, the damn CBA is such a confusing mess...but pronger's salary wouldn't be a new aquisition. his cap hit applies regardless of the LTIR, the LTIR just allows replacement cushion. when he comes back, that cushion goes away and any salary in excess of the cap ceiling has to go with it. contrary to popular belief, the cap is still in effect in the playoffs. the cap is calculated 365 days per year, with a 10% bump from july 1 through the end of training camp. the rest of the time, it is in full effect.

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i don't....think so. i'm not sure, the damn CBA is such a confusing mess...but pronger's salary wouldn't be a new aquisition. his cap hit applies regardless of the LTIR, the LTIR just allows replacement cushion. when he comes back, that cushion goes away and any salary in excess of the cap ceiling has to go with it. contrary to popular belief, the cap is still in effect in the playoffs. the cap is calculated 365 days per year, with a 10% bump from july 1 through the end of training camp. the rest of the time, it is in full effect.

Ok, but that's *only* if he comes back. If he is on LTIR for the rest of the season - which is what we are being told - then his salary does not count against the cap. Meaning the Flyers can use the void created to sign whoever they feel like. Correct?

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Ok, but that's *only* if he comes back. If he is on LTIR for the rest of the season - which is what we are being told - then his salary does not count against the cap. Meaning the Flyers can use the void created to sign whoever they feel like. Correct?

Correct. The Flyers will have *some* of his salary available as a credit, depending on when he was placed on LTIR. Remember, just because a player goes on LTIR, doesn't mean the team gets his cap number in available salary. It's prorated, and based on how far under the cap they are when the player goes on LTIR. They get a credit equal to the player's cap salary minus any available space under the cap at the time of assignment. Right now, I believe Pronger is already on LTIR, so they won't get any additional credits with the new announcement.

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right. long and short, the team is allowed to replace the IR'd player's salary. if that takes them above the cap, then fine, but if it doesn't, then it doesn't. i.e., if the flyers were $4.921mil under the cap when pronger was LTIR'd, then they would not be able to go above the cap ceiling at all. if they were $2mil under the cap, then they'd be allowed to go $2.921mil over to replace him. and it's a one-time thing, depending on the exact cap situation at the moment the player was placed on LTIR.

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This is what Capgeek.com had. I posted this in another thread also before I saw this thread...

How does long-term injured reserve (LTIR) work?

Teams receive cap relief when a player is considered to have a "bona-fide long-term injury" — injuries that cause a player to miss at least 10 games or 24 days. This is one of the most commonly misunderstood aspects of the CBA.

Just because a player is on LTIR does not automatically grant the team extra cap space. In the event a player is placed on LTIR, his cap hit still counts toward the team's overall cap payroll. Relief only comes if replacing the player's salary pushes the team's cap payroll to date over the cap. The amount of relief is limited to the amount the team has gone over the cap (less the amount of payroll room the team had at the time the LTIR transaction took place), not the entire amount of the injured player's salary.

There is no formal designation of "replacement players."

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There is no formal designation of "replacement players."

right, the team is allowed to go over the cap by the amount it takes to exactly replace the injured player's salary, and when that player comes back, the team has to pull itself back into "normal" cap compliance in anyway it can, no specific player is tagged as the replacement.

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read this today...

When Tom Sestito is sent back to the Phantoms, the Flyers will have $3.4 million of cap space. Pronger had already been on the LTIR list, so his cap hit was not counting.

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