merrex Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Sorry to beat a dead horse everyone, but I'm a little confused as to what the Weber situation is. I read back in the summer that Weber and the Preds have not finalized their deal due to Poile not wanting to give him his requested no movement clause. My opinion on this is probably the same as most of you that Weber doesn't want to be there, and that Nash wants to trade him. Nash doesn't want to limit their trade partners in giving him his no trade, and Weber wants to choose where he gets dealt.So, apparently if they don't agree by December 1st, then Weber has to sit out the entire season and therefore becomes unrestricted July 1, 2013. So then ,if the lockout wipes out the entire season and Weber/Preds haven't finalized their deal, he automatically is unrestricted July 1st as well. I read all this the one time and can't find any updated info on it. I still feel that Weber will be a Flyer. I don't think Homer will let it go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idahophilly Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Sorry to beat a dead horse everyone, but I'm a little confused as to what the Weber situation is. I read back in the summer that Weber and the Preds have not finalized their deal due to Poile not wanting to give him his requested no movement clause. My opinion on this is probably the same as most of you that Weber doesn't want to be there, and that Nash wants to trade him. Nash doesn't want to limit their trade partners in giving him his no trade, and Weber wants to choose where he gets dealt.So, apparently if they don't agree by December 1st, then Weber has to sit out the entire season and therefore becomes unrestricted July 1, 2013. So then ,if the lockout wipes out the entire season and Weber/Preds haven't finalized their deal, he automatically is unrestricted July 1st as well. I read all this the one time and can't find any updated info on it. I still feel that Weber will be a Flyer. I don't think Homer will let it go.Interesting if true. I simply don't know how the lockout affecrs things... I still can't figure out if everyones contract length is affected either... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irishjim Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 i would feel by matching the flyers deal, there on the hook for the first year of that salary offered by the flyers regardless. he signed an offer sheet they matched it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Shea Weber is a Nashville Predator for the next 14 years, unless the Preds decide to trade him or something like a mass defection to the KHL occurs. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyerrod Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Shea Weber is a Nashville Predator for the next 14 years, unless the Preds decide to trade him or something like a mass defection to the KHL occurs.Did he ever officially sign his contract? If not, can the Preds get out of paying the Bonus until he does? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 there was a thread about it in September, but:http://www.ontheforecheck.com/2012/9/5/3294985/shea-weber-contract-finalized-does-not-contain-no-trade-clause Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 here we go again... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaris922 Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 This horse is not just dead, you're kicking a frikkin skeleton here. Whether he signs or not, the Preds own Weber for 14 years. He has no leg to stand on arguing the contract. HE signed the contract already accepting the terms when he signed the paper Holmgren gave him. Nashville matched it, and that's the risk he took. I still say Holmgren screwed this up. He could've had Weber a year later and blew it jumping the gun. Now you'll never see him in black and orange unless you trade the farm to get him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 @Polaris922 Perhaps Nashville is haggling in an attempt to stall and not pay out this year? Or maybe some new provision comes out of the new CBA which frees them from fianancial commitment....just grasping at straws here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarsippius Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Weber had a valid contract the second that Nashville matched the Flyers' offer. Any court would find a valid contract between Weber and Nashville, whether he took pen to paper or not, because the CBA declares the terms of the Flyers' contract offer binding on them when Nashville matched. There is no sign, not sign, it doesn't matter. They can modify certain terms, like adding a NTC/NMC clause, but there's no sitting out a year and magically becoming an UFA. Weber either plays for Nashville or he goes to Russia, unless the Preds decide to trade him. And he has no leverage to force a trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyerrod Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 @sarsippiusMy question was along the lines of Nashville trying to get out of paying the bonuses due (13 million) if he had not officially penned a contract. For instance, if he had not signed before the new CBA comes into effect and the new CBA limits the number of years a contract can be for, would they still be held responsible for a now illegal contract?Because it was signed under the old CBA, I am guessing they are stuck with it (radoran's favorite word) irregardless...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Weber got $13M for signing his name and will get another $13M next July 1. Even if the NHL doesn't play another game, ever. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 @radoran Is it fair to speculate that the Flyers did not include a NMC/NTC in the contract to screw Nashville if they decided to pony up and sign him to the terms? These things are a stanard throw in with the Flyers, they must have had some reason to obstain from one now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 @radoran Is it fair to speculate that the Flyers did not include a NMC/NTC in the contract to screw Nashville if they decided to pony up and sign him to the terms? These things are a stanard throw in with the Flyers, they must have had some reason to obstain from one now.There were indications that the Great and Wise Hockey Minds running the Flyers were "unclear" as to whether such a clause could be included in the offer sheet.These are the same Great and Wise Hockey Minds who didn't figure out Pronger's contract would be counted as a 35+ and then decided not to get out of it when they figured it out and also, too, signed Bryzgalov to a nine-year, iron-clad contract.I'm sure they'll fix it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TedZep Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Weber got $13M for signing his name and will get another $13M next July 1. Even if the NHL doesn't play another game, ever.That's a tough pill to swallow for a barely solvent team that stands to lose even more the longer the lockout remains in effect. They should have just let the Flyers keep him.C'est la frickin' vie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 That's a tough pill to swallow for a barely solvent team that stands to lose even more the longer the lockout remains in effect. They should have just let the Flyers keep him.C'est la frickin' vie.If it wasn't viewed as an amortized cost over a decade for billionaires...Coulda shoulda woulda.Now ed snider is locking the players out and demanding that they not allow him to offer these sorts of contracts... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStraw Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 This horse is not just dead, you're kicking a frikkin skeleton here.It's not even a skeleton at this point. This horse is already glue. Weber is not going to the Flyers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 This horse is already glue.Mmmmm....glue. Yum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStraw Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Mmmmm....glue. Yum.Reported. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 @Podein25 Huff, huff....pass... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Knut Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Weber had a valid contract the second that Nashville matched the Flyers' offer.Well I think the question really being asked here is if by "Matching" the Flyers offer the Predators included a No Movement Clause.Then the debate would become whether a deal without a NMC is in fact "matching."Not that I don't think there is any actual debate. I've heard no such thing. I always assumed that they included the NMC when they matched and I assume it still. Perhaps there's some small print in the old CBA (or the new one since it apparently travels through time to legally bind people to rules that were not in place when they signed contracts 5 years ago) that excludes NMC's from the "matching" qualifiers. That would be lame of the NHL CBA, but there are a lot of things that are incredibly lame about the NHL CBA.So in short, does anyone know if the Preds included the NMC? If they did then the questions are answered and the conversation is over. If they didn't we need to ask if it matters before we can worry about it.Right now, quite honestly, I don't want the offer sheet we signed with him to have to be honored. THe new CBA is a killer on this sort of thing. We'd be doomed even worse than we already are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStraw Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Well I think the question really being asked here is if by "Matching" the Flyers offer the Predators included a No Movement Clause.Then the debate would become whether a deal without a NMC is in fact "matching."Not that I don't think there is any actual debate. I've heard no such thing. I always assumed that they included the NMC when they matched and I assume it still. Perhaps there's some small print in the old CBA (or the new one since it apparently travels through time to legally bind people to rules that were not in place when they signed contracts 5 years ago) that excludes NMC's from the "matching" qualifiers. That would be lame of the NHL CBA, but there are a lot of things that are incredibly lame about the NHL CBA.So in short, does anyone know if the Preds included the NMC? If they did then the questions are answered and the conversation is over. If they didn't we need to ask if it matters before we can worry about it.Right now, quite honestly, I don't want the offer sheet we signed with him to have to be honored. THe new CBA is a killer on this sort of thing. We'd be doomed even worse than we already are.Offer sheets only address term and dollars, not trade clauses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 we know the contract is signed and we know it does not include a no movement clause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Knut Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 we know the contract is signed and we know it does not include a no movement clause.when then the good news is that under the new CBA, we can trade for him and when he gets concussed and can't play again we don't have to pretend like he might come back because it'll be the Predators on the hook for his cap hit.Make it so! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 when then the good news is that under the new CBA, we can trade for him and when he gets concussed and can't play again we don't have to pretend like he might come back because it'll be the Predators on the hook for his cap hit.Make it so!really depends on how they handle existing contracts in terms of who gets the cap hit.I don't expect Weber to be in Nashville for 14 years, but he's not going anywhere anytime soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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