Podein25 Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 @jammer2Totally agree on using a FF on the point on the PP. Until Coburn figures how to shoot consistently hard and accurate, without being blocked, he is not a PP1 guy. He's getting better but it's very incremental. He's not even PP2 IMO. I prefer Meszaros or Gus.I like Schenn back there, or Read, but I'd also give Cooter a look, certainly over the long-term at least.That kid can play. Period. So why could he not QB a PP, eventually? He's smart enough that's for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 @Podein25 I like having Coburn on the pp. Cause when his shot gets blocked, he has the speed to recover. Flyers pp101. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Even a roadrunner is slow when standing still. Ask Wile E.Coyote Let's actually follow that logic for a second though: the fastest/quickest guy to put on the PP under that logic is likely Giroux, or Read. Or Wellwood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Giroux and read are already taking up the other 2 spots on the blueline for the pp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 @flyercanuckAlways with the pesky details. Who are you, Joey Mullen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 "The last few times we played them, the power play worked for us. The power play wasn't that bad tonight, I thought. We moved it well. We had opportunities. Their goalie played extremely well. We definitely had a lot of chances tonight. Good chances. Quality chances." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStraw Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 (edited) Totally agree on using a FF on the point on the PP. Until Coburn figures how to shoot consistently hard and accurate, without being blocked, he is not a PP1 guy. He's getting better but it's very incremental. He's not even PP2 IMO. I prefer Meszaros or GusIt's not just Coburn's lack of a good shot, it's also that his offensive instincts seem limited to "dump it around the end boards". He doesn't move the puck well from the point. To put it another way, other than the lousy shot, he's no Matt Carle. Edited January 8, 2013 by JackStraw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davies Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 @radoranIn all seriousness, what a dismal group of UFA D-men out there: http://capgeek.com/f...-1&fa_type_id=2List includes a who's who of ex-Flyers: Ryan Parent, Jim Vandermeer, Mark Eaton, Oskars Bartulis and Sean O'DonnellOut of all those sad-sack names, Brett Clark might be the most interesting.paul ranger is playing for the marlies, would love to know if he's looking to return to the nhli'd be interested Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 @daviesYeah, on an AHL contract, so he's a Free Agent. I kind of assumed he'd end up at Leafs can in some capacity (PTO or whatever). I don't know much about him. Journeyman who left the game for personal reasons is all I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 (edited) It's not just Coburn's lack of a good shot, it's also that his offensive instincts seem limited to "dump it around the end boards". He doesn't move the puck well from the point. To put it another way, other than the lousy shot, he's no Matt Carle.Coburn has never met an offensive instinct that he could trust. I don't get it, but it's just not in the nature of his game. Poor vision would seem to be part of it. Edited January 8, 2013 by Podein25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Serious question here.... Has the NHL release schedule of operations?? When is the trade dealine?With a shorten schedule do you think any teams would be willing to trade since it is pretty much a sprint to the playoffs? Unless a team starts off absolutely putrid...I think more teams are gonna think they can make the playoffs with the players they have. Just my opionion.thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 What about: ???Colin White -- White was a solid defensive defenseman for 11 years in New Jersey, but played only 51 games with San Jose after signing a one-year deal. He's 35 and will be looking for a team that needs defensive depth.He certainly has to better than Gervais???thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 What about: ???Colin White -- White was a solid defensive defenseman for 11 years in New Jersey, but played only 51 games with San Jose after signing a one-year deal. He's 35 and will be looking for a team that needs defensive depth.He certainly has to better than Gervais???thoughts?My thoughts are that Gervais is a childhood friend of Talbot and unlikely to be shown the way to Glen Falls...I don't see the point of rearranging deck chairs. The question of whether a "top tier" Dman is available would be my only real question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 The question of whether a "top tier" Dman is available would be my only real question.And.... AND.... what the asking price would be, becuase even if a top tier d-man is available and they want something the Flyers would be stupid to give up, would it be even relevant that a top tier d-man is avialable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 And.... AND.... what the asking price would be, becuase even if a top tier d-man is available and they want something the Flyers would be stupid to give up, would it be even relevant that a top tier d-man is avialable?and..and...AND ...with such a short season...unless a team was tanking early..I just don't see anyone willing to part ways with what they got and if they did..the asking price would have to be outlandishly high...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 And.... AND.... what the asking price would be, becuase even if a top tier d-man is available and they want something the Flyers would be stupid to give up, would it be even relevant that a top tier d-man is avialable?Bringing us neatly back around to the top of the thread :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Bringing us neatly back around to the top of the thread :-)I love closure! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaris922 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 I don't know why everyone is writing Timo off as beat up, not as fast, this and that. He is still our best dman and with the lock out could be a blessing in disguise for Timo, much needed rest I am sure. Now I am not saying he isnt slowing down hes 38 not 28 but he is far from beat up or washed up.. Hell if Lidstrom can play into his early 40's so can Timo.Timo is nowhere near the defenseman Lidstrom was. He's also nowhere near the defenseman Timo was. He's soft, slowing down, and suffering injuries more now. I'm a Pens fan and I even like the guy, but as a competitor I love seeing him on the ice against our top lines. He's been a great positional D man through the years but his slowing down has made it harder for him to get into position. On top of that, though he's smart and skilled, his losing a step has hurt his offensive production as well. Take away his PP production and he's a shadow of his former self. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Podein25 Posted January 9, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted January 9, 2013 He's also nowhere near the defenseman Timo was. He's soft, slowing down, and suffering injuries more now.I take offense to the way you characterize this. He's just getting old, like the rest of us! To wit:Prove that he is "soft" What a ridiculous statement!He's slowing down - you don't say. The question is: is he effective or not, can he get the job doneGets more injuries. Again, age and punishment of the body. He simply needs to play less hard minutes, which is a coaching issue mainly.The question is: is he effective or not, can he get the job done. You'd kill for a guy like Timonen on your team if you wanted to make a run and win it all. The guy competes every shift and is easily one of the smarter veteran D-men out there. Maybe not Lidstom-elite quality, but close enough. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 ....crickets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Here's a question, do the Flyers save a spot for the Ghost , he played well for world jr champion team usa ... does Homer and co kick the tires there ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 (edited) he's so small, i dunno @mojo1917EDIT: but he clearly is progressing. Was great for the US in the WJC in my unhumble opinion. He needs to put on some pounds though. Skinny. Edited January 10, 2013 by Podein25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 @Podein25I saw limited minutes of the World Jr's ... (i was pretty far down coach Wife's bench after blowing the Christmas budget )but what I saw I liked, the young man looked really young and skinny. But....Brian Rafalski was small. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 @mojo1917I watched all the US games, and although there was one game in particular where he saw little TOI (not sure why), he was a steady performer. Clearly intelligent, clearly sees the ice, clearly makes great decisions (most of the time), clearly has offensive instincts. During the tournament some talking head, in passing, compared him to Timonen, which is a compliment, of course. Suggests that he can win battles, has positioning, is smart etc. I think he's a keeper for sure. "Get thee to the gymnasium" though.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 @mojo1917 He'd need to be paired with a really good BIG defenceman. He's got all the tools but size. I really don't see him making it at this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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