trevluk Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 I know the obvious answer of "lose most or all of the remaining games and hopefully over take Florida (most likely) for dead last and hope we dont get screwed on the lottery for the first pick. What I want to know if is we end up with say the 5th pick after the lottery and Flordia has the 1st pick, what else do you think it would take to trade Florida for the first pick?5th overall pick + ?? for the 1st overall pick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmdodgesrt4 Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Would you trade Seth jones? That's what your actually doing. I wouldn't. However if we can't get jones and we pick second I would be hard pressed not to take a top tier forward . Maybe get a center and trade coots or schenn for a young promising dman or a mid 1st rounder and maybe grab pulock or something around those lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doom88 Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Or trade down from 2 to 3-5 for prospects/picks and still draft the next best defenseman.To win #1, win the lottery. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevluk Posted March 28, 2013 Author Share Posted March 28, 2013 Would you trade Seth jones? That's what your actually doing. I wouldn't. However if we can't get jones and we pick second I would be hard pressed not to take a top tier forward . Maybe get a center and trade coots or schenn for a young promising dman or a mid 1st rounder and maybe grab pulock or something around those lines.No, I am trying to get Jones. If we have the 5th pick what would it take to trade for the 1st pick so we can get Jones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 @trevluk Too much, maybe Simmonds and Read....something along those lines....gotta remember, whoever has that pick is gonna ask for the moon, and get it, so if you are being cheap, and they are somehow crazy enough to deal it, they will just move on to the 10 other packages available (really, probably more than that). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmdodgesrt4 Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 I'm asking you as the gm of the team with the first pick. Would you trade away Seth jones ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HansonBros17 Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 Sure, if the right players/picks are offered. Somebody traded Eric Lindros away on draft day for the right trade package, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 @HansonBros17 Yeah, but it would have to be a knock your socks off offer.....AND take into account this type of d-man comes along once every decade or so.....AND....if he becomes a Larry Robinson or Chris Pronger clone, he could potentially block your way to the Cup should he be in your conference. Goals scorers are rare and hard to find, but a franchise d man?? That chance comes my once in your GM life, AND *if* he becomes a super star, you have every other GM snickering at you behind your back....which I believe comes into play more often than people think....being respected and even revered by your peers is a huge thing....in the end, you do what's best for the franchise...and 9 times out of 10 that's picking the dominant d-man. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B21 Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 I know the obvious answer of "lose most or all of the remaining games and hopefully over take Florida (most likely) for dead last and hope we dont get screwed on the lottery for the first pick. What I want to know if is we end up with say the 5th pick after the lottery and Flordia has the 1st pick, what else do you think it would take to trade Florida for the first pick?5th overall pick + ?? for the 1st overall pick?If you are looking for comparison, the last time the #1 overall pick was traded was 2003 when the Pens traded up from #3 overall. It cost the Pens their 2nd round pick and Mikael Samuelsson. The Pens also got back the Panthers 3rd round pick (ironically - they used that pick to take......Dan Carcillo).I'm guessing it would take a lot more to land #1 overall trading up from #5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HansonBros17 Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 @HansonBros17 Yeah, but it would have to be a knock your socks off offer.....AND take into account this type of d-man comes along once every decade or so.....AND....if he becomes a Larry Robinson or Chris Pronger clone, he could potentially block your way to the Cup should he be in your conference. Goals scorers are rare and hard to find, but a franchise d man?? That chance comes my once in your GM life, AND *if* he becomes a super star, you have every other GM snickering at you behind your back....which I believe comes into play more often than people think....being respected and even revered by your peers is a huge thing....in the end, you do what's best for the franchise...and 9 times out of 10 that's picking the dominant d-man.@jammer2 It doesn't seem like Paul Holmgren's too concerned with being respected by his peers when he does things like sign Shea Weber to a huge front-loaded offer sheet, knowing that it would be crippling to a small-market team like Nashville to match. Although he certainly was trying to do what was best for the Flyers. Even if the Flyers were to end up with the 1st overall pick those idiots would probably take a center or wing - the Flyers rarely take defenseman before the third round. This is a big reason the current defense is in such poor shape, like goaltending, defense is ignored - a barely serviceable corps is available because of the occasional Holmgren trade. And that leads to another big reason we can't draft a franchise defenseman - you must refrain from trading away your 1st and/or 2nd round pick every year for that "missing piece". Someone needs to tell the front office they're allowed to select a defenseman in the first couple rounds of the draft. This is a list of defensemen the Flyers have drafted before round three in the last ten years:2008 - Luca Sbisa (1st round)2007 - Kevin Marshall (2nd)2006 - Michael Ratchuk (2nd)2006 - Denis Bodrov (2nd) .......that's it....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 "what would it take to get the first overall pick this year?"Bettman has a price. Flyers can either bid or they could just call Pittsburgh to find out exactly how much it costs. If they call now, they'll get the free book: "How to Get the State's Tax Payers to Pay for Your Building in Three Easy Steps: The Kansas City Bluff." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevluk Posted March 28, 2013 Author Share Posted March 28, 2013 If you are looking for comparison, the last time the #1 overall pick was traded was 2003 when the Pens traded up from #3 overall. It cost the Pens their 2nd round pick and Mikael Samuelsson. The Pens also got back the Panthers 3rd round pick (ironically - they used that pick to take......Dan Carcillo).I'm guessing it would take a lot more to land #1 overall trading up from #5.Hey, the way we are playing we may not have to trade up at all! But thanks, that was the comparison that I was looking for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevluk Posted March 28, 2013 Author Share Posted March 28, 2013 I'm asking you as the gm of the team with the first pick. Would you trade away Seth jones ?Ah, sorry I see what you are saying. I guess the answer would be yes if I needed a top forward a lot more than I needed a top d man. Obviously they could just take the top forward with the first pick, but if they traded the first pick, they could probably still get their top forward plus at least one more player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 @HansonBros17 "@jammer2 It doesn't seem like Paul Holmgren's too concerned with being respected by his peers when he does things like sign Shea Weber to a huge front-loaded offer sheet, knowing that it would be crippling to a small-market team like Nashville to match." Homer is an alcoholic, trust me...it matters what his peers think of him. I've met literally 1000's of alcoholics in my day, and every single one of them had one thing in common, they all had an inferiority complex coupled with a ego problem. It's kind of a universal thing with alcoholics. Even minus the alcoholic slant, most people care what their peers think about them...being known as shrewd, a predator GM....(Like people think about Holland and Shero), that kinda stuff is worn like a badge of honour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 @trevluk If we picked 5th I'm hoping Darnell Nurse is there. Jones is ranked #1 but it's not written in stone he'll end up the best player out of the draft. This isn't a generational talent type draft, but a 5 or 6 really good player deep one. As long as we pick top 5 we'll come away with a heck of a player. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaris922 Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 "what would it take to get the first overall pick this year?"Bettman has a price. Flyers can either bid or they could just call Pittsburgh to find out exactly how much it costs. If they call now, they'll get the free book: "How to Get the State's Tax Payers to Pay for Your Building in Three Easy Steps: The Kansas City Bluff."Unless you're counting the casinos as the state tax payers... You would be incorrect sir. The money the state gave towards construction was all casino license money paid during the gaming commission issues. And the Pens had an agreement to have it paid for 100% privately but the state decided to award the gaming license elsewhere... So thank your Philadelphia/Rendell influences for that brilliant move. And once again on Bettman giving us the #1... We've been over it and shown the Pens had the lowest chance of success a last place team had of getting the #1 pick in the history of the draft. So as I've laid the challenge out to others... Put up or shut up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 Consider your chain pulled, @Polaris922I knew it was casino moneys but yes, I do still consider that tax payer money. It's admittedly a stretch to call it "tax money" but it's tax payers money in the sense that it was public money that could have been spent elsewhere and the tax payers (i.e., residents--not necessarily the same so poor choice of terms) statewide didn't really get a say.For the business it has both kept and created in the Pittsburgh area (and Philly considering the business that rivalry games generate and would not have existed in a Philly vs. KC scenario) it was money well spent.Sorry, you can have your chain back now.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaris922 Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 Consider your chain pulled, @Polaris922I knew it was casino moneys but yes, I do still consider that tax payer money. It's admittedly a stretch to call it "tax money" but it's tax payers money in the sense that it was public money that could have been spent elsewhere and the tax payers (i.e., residents--not necessarily the same so poor choice of terms) statewide didn't really get a say.For the business it has both kept and created in the Pittsburgh area (and Philly considering the business that rivalry games generate and would not have existed in a Philly vs. KC scenario) it was money well spent.Sorry, you can have your chain back now..I'll always be easily drawn into a fight over my Pens. I'm just a confrontational fella. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeZel25 Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 I know the obvious answer of "lose most or all of the remaining games and hopefully over take Florida (most likely) for dead last and hope we dont get screwed on the lottery for the first pick. What I want to know if is we end up with say the 5th pick after the lottery and Flordia has the 1st pick, what else do you think it would take to trade Florida for the first pick?5th overall pick + ?? for the 1st overall pick?Getting very friendly with the people that are operating the ping pong ball machine! Fill all other teams ping pong balls with water 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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