So you're the Flyers GM.....

[Jmdodgesrt4]

Your the gm of the flyers at draft day holding the third pick if the draft. Jones and drouin off the table. What do you do? Yotes offer you yandle and their 1st for that pick. If you keep it who do you select? Do you trade down ? You have offers of first round picks for coots/b schenn. Both are at pick 14 and 16 .

[TimKerrFan12]

Your the gm of the flyers at draft day holding the third pick if the draft. Jones and drouin off the table. What do you do? Yotes offer you yandle and their 1st for that pick. If you keep it who do you select? Do you trade down ? You have offers of first round picks for coots/b schenn. Both are at pick 14 and 16 .

The Flyers select from the Halifax Mooseheads...Nathan MacKinnon. Then u pick up free agent D or make a deal to get one.

Edited April 14, 2013 by TimKerrFan12

[off_the_post]

Yeah, you draft Nate and then eventually trade Couts (to a team that ignores his skating woes) for a decent roster dman.

[flyercanuck]

Take MacKinnon and run. Watch him light it up for the next dozen or so years. He'll be a better player than Yandle in 2 years.

[ctid]

in true Homer style the following is what would happen. Homer says no to the Yotes' offer and drafts......wait for it.....Sean Monahan...ignoring Mackinnon and Nurse, and at the same time every Flyers fan's heads will explode. Homer will then trade Coots, Laughton, our 1st round next year and a 2nd round pick (of course) for Yandle and a 3rd rounder. Bryz get's bought out along with Briere, but Mason signs a 6 year NMC deal.....oh yeah, and Leighton will back him up.

[pilldoc]

in true Homer style the following is what would happen. Homer says no to the Yotes' offer and drafts......wait for it.....Sean Monahan...ignoring Mackinnon and Nurse, and at the same time every Flyers fan's heads will explode. Homer will then trade Coots, Laughton, our 1st round next year and a 2nd round pick (of course) for Yandle and a 3rd rounder. Bryz get's bought out along with Briere, but Mason signs a 6 year NMC deal.....oh yeah, and Leighton will back him up.

BINGO!

[Philly29]

Could Mackinnon make the change to wing? Or strickly a natural center...

[RonJeremy]

We need defense, theres no FAs worth signing,they are all old, and Timmo is gone after next year, so then were in the same boat again. Sometimes you have to take a few steps back to make a big leap forward. Were always good enough to make the playoffs, but never good enough to win it all, mostly due to poor goaltending and not enough quality defensemen. So if we have to stink for a few years in order draft and groom some good defensemen, so be it.

To me, Jones is the prime target, if he is gone, then I try and down, fleece some over eager team out of a top prospect/ picks and still be in a position to draft Pulock or Nurse. So we would only want to trade down a few picks not all the way down. We HAVE TO DRAFT IMPACT DEFENSEMAN< NO MORE WAITING , If you try to trade for good defense you overpay, there is a real shortage, just like pitching in baseball.

I would even offer Coots for a top 2 pick if the other team was willing....

[ratskull]

Your the gm of the flyers at draft day holding the third pick if the draft. Jones and drouin off the table. What do you do? Yotes offer you yandle and their 1st for that pick. If you keep it who do you select? Do you trade down ? You have offers of first round picks for coots/b schenn. Both are at pick 14 and 16 .

In your scenario, I'd take Yandle and Coyotes 1st rounder. I wouldn't trade Couts or Schenn at least not for draft picks. If I could move Couts for another stud D-man, I would do that. So, if things worked out, we'd have Yandle and [other stud D-man], Coyotes 1st rounder and Schenn. Laughton fills in for Couts.

[Hexy27]

in true Homer style the following is what would happen. Homer says no to the Yotes' offer and drafts......wait for it.....Sean Monahan...ignoring Mackinnon and Nurse, and at the same time every Flyers fan's heads will explode. Homer will then trade Coots, Laughton, our 1st round next year and a 2nd round pick (of course) for Yandle and a 3rd rounder. Bryz get's bought out along with Briere, but Mason signs a 6 year NMC deal.....oh yeah, and Leighton will back him up.

This may be the scariest post I have read on this site because it reads like a classic Flyers move.

Btw am I the only one who does not want to trade Couts? NHL proven first round draft picks don't grow on trees. He's only 20 and isn't even done growing yet. I think he is going to be a heck of a player and we should hold onto him. I think the best move is to build on this youth and wait. We aren't winning a cup any time soon so why mortgage away the future? Give this group 2-3 seasons together and build around them.

[Dynamo 47]

Your the gm of the flyers at draft day holding the third pick if the draft. Jones and drouin off the table. What do you do? Yotes offer you yandle and their 1st for that pick. If you keep it who do you select? Do you trade down ? You have offers of first round picks for coots/b schenn. Both are at pick 14 and 16 .

I would be curious how many Flyer fans would be willing to trade Couts and the 3 for the number one overall to draft Jones. Jones to me has Norris potential written all over him and 10+ career as a Flyer. On the other hand we could stand pat and draft Nurse (who I also really like) but at 3 is a reach.

So what would you do? There are no guarantees in the draft. Do you go for the best player available in Jones and do what it takes to get him? Or do you play it safe and take the best defenseman available at 3, 4, or 5 depending on where we finish.

[flyercanuck]

@Dynamo 47

I'm not 100% positive on Jones being any better than Nurse in 5 years. Or vice versa. I think they'll both be very good 2 way defencemen. Throwing in Couturier on a 2 for 1 isn't the way you rebuild, it's what you do when you need ONE player.

[ctid]

I would be curious how many Flyer fans would be willing to trade Couts and the 3 for the number one overall to draft Jones. Jones to me has Norris potential written all over him and 10+ career as a Flyer. On the other hand we could stand pat and draft Nurse (who I also really like) but at 3 is a reach.

So what would you do? There are no guarantees in the draft. Do you go for the best player available in Jones and do what it takes to get him? Or do you play it safe and take the best defenseman available at 3, 4, or 5 depending on where we finish.

That's a tough one. I know alot of people will say it is overpaying. But if we held the 3rd overall pick and deal was made for the 1st overall to draft Jones (Coots plus 3rd) I think I'd pull the trigger. I know we could draft Drouin/MacK and use assets to trade for a youn top D-man. But seriously, the only ones I'd consider giving up those kinds of assets would be Erik Karlsson, Pietrangelo, OEL guys like that. And there is NO way those guys get traded. therefore, I'd pull the trigger with coots and our 3rd to draft Jones. Considering his size, physicality, reach, point production, skating, puck moving, shutdown defense, etc, etc....now way we find that package in player anywhere else. So yes, Coots and the 3rd overall. I'd do it. That still leaves us with Roo, Schenn, Laughton down the middle with Jones as the building block on D.

[flyercanuck]

@Jmdodgesrt4

Trading Couturier or Schenn for picks 14 and 16 is insanity.

[mojo1917]

@ctid

@Dynamo 47

i don't think i would trade the #3 and Couterier, that's 2 first round top ten picks for a #1 overall and i think that is too steep.

the #3 and Matt Read ? done.

the #3 and Scott Hartnell ? done

the #3 and Scott Laughton, with pieces parts from our trade partner ? again done.

but not Schenn or Couterier plus that # 3... too beaucoup to bang bang wit soul brova.

[ctid]

@mojo1917

Normally I'd agree with you. But in THIS case, when the number 1 is a franchise type D-man ala Pronger/Weber, then I'd do it. But only cause it is a Jones type player.

If it was a general discussion regarding a 3rd overall plus Coots for the 1st overall (where we have no idea who the players being drafter are) then no. But, again, in this case, this draft I do it.

[Jmdodgesrt4]

To be honest I'm torn on what I posted. Do I take the best available prospect ? Prolly would be mackinnon . Or do I take nurse? Two possibilities I play around with are these. Take mackinnon and trade away center for d help. Young d that is. Or trade down with a team that wants above mentioned centerman badly. Maybe the flames finish 5th and they are willing to swap picks and say a second ? Then select nurse at number 5 and have two high second round picks to trade for goalie ? Or another d? Or combine and trade with a team wiling to move their late first round pick ? Maybe if Haag or pulock is still available at 20 or 25.

[Jmdodgesrt4]

And to clarify...... No way I'm looking to trade for number 1 pick. Way to many holes to fill to trade away assets leaving other holes and question marks. Besides if say the panthers decide to shop that pick can you imagine the offers they would be getting? I doubt our 1 st and coots comes even close to the higher bidders for that pick. Especially when nurse is flying up the draft charts lately.

[brelic]

@ctid

@Dynamo 47

i don't think i would trade the #3 and Couterier, that's 2 first round top ten picks for a #1 overall and i think that is too steep.

the #3 and Matt Read ? done.

the #3 and Scott Hartnell ? done

the #3 and Scott Laughton, with pieces parts from our trade partner ? again done.

but not Schenn or Couterier plus that # 3... too beaucoup to bang bang wit soul brova.

I agree about the #3 overall. Drouin/MacKinnon plus Couturier for Jones seems too high.

But realistically, we won't draft 3rd overall. We'll probably draft around #6. So would you trade the #6 and Couturier for Jones?

Put another way (and totally unscientific and cherry picking), in 2008, that would have gotten you Stamkos for Filatov (#6) and Peter Mueller (#8 in 2006).

In 2009, you would have gotten Tavares for Zach Hamill (#8 in 2007) and Oliver Ekman-Larsson (#6 that year).

In 2010, you would have gotten Taylor Hall for Mikkel Bodeker (#8 in 2008) and Brett Connolly (#6 that year).

In 2011, you would have gotten Ryan Nugent-Hopkins for Scott Glennie (#8 in 2009) and Mika Zibanejad (#6 that year).

[ctid]

@Jmdodgesrt4

"I doubt our 1st and coots comes even close to the highest bidders for that pick"

I think it does. Obviously depending on where we end up drafting. But if we end up with 3-5th pick, add in coots. That's a heck of a lot. We are basically adding coots to make them move down 2-4 spots in the draft. In my book, coots is worth more than 2-4 spots.

But again, if we could get the 1st overall for Coots and our 1st rounder, I'd do it. And I like Coots, I really do. But, wow, that type of d-man (Jones), they don't come along very often. These are the type of guys you break the bank for.

[ctid]

@brelic

Nice research, that puts things in perspective. Now I'm even more convince. I'd Definitely trade Coots and our 1st for the number one pick.

[Jmdodgesrt4]

Yes I agree jones is a top d prospect. But so is nurse.

[brelic]

And to clarify...... No way I'm looking to trade for number 1 pick. Way to many holes to fill to trade away assets leaving other holes and question marks. Besides if say the panthers decide to shop that pick can you imagine the offers they would be getting? I doubt our 1 st and coots comes even close to the higher bidders for that pick. Especially when nurse is flying up the draft charts lately.

It all depends on how far down the draft the Panthers are willing to drop. So, if we can offer the #5 or #6 overall, there are really only 4 teams that can offer a better 1st round pick than us. I'm not sure they would want to drop further than that and miss out on top tier prospects.

[ctid]

Yes I agree jones is a top d prospect. But so is nurse.

Agreed. I'd be more than happy to end up with Nurse. But I prefer Jones, and if there was a deal to be made to get Jones I'd do everything possible (within sanity) to make that deal. If that fails, I go hunting for Nurse. Those are my prioirites:

1. Seth Jones

2. Darnell Nurse

Drouin/Mack will be great players, most likely, but I want Jones/Nurse out of this draft.

[JackStraw]

I would be curious how many Flyer fans would be willing to trade Couts and the 3 for the number one overall to draft Jones. Jones to me has Norris potential written all over him and 10+ career as a Flyer. On the other hand we could stand pat and draft Nurse (who I also really like) but at 3 is a reach.

So what would you do? There are no guarantees in the draft. Do you go for the best player available in Jones and do what it takes to get him? Or do you play it safe and take the best defenseman available at 3, 4, or 5 depending on where we finish.

I would be very tempted to do something like this. If the Flyers end up with the third pick I would also explore the possibility of trading down to say, 5, and taking Nurse. It wouldn't hurt if the team could pick up another asset, a pick or a prospect, in a deal like that. As for trading Couts + #3, I agree with FC that the difference between Nurse and Jones might not be as great as it appears now, although I think Jones is more of a sure thing. Again, maybe a package sending something worthwhile back to the Flyers in a deal like that.