News Article Sam Carchidi- Who do the Flyers draft

[pilldoc]

http://www.philly.co...draft_pick.html

Take it for what it is worth here is Homer's answer on the draft.......

General manager Paul Holmgren says the Flyers will choose the best player available, regardless of position. Pressed on the issue, Holmgren conceded that if a forward and defenseman were equal, he'd probably pick the latter.

Edited April 14, 2013 by pilldoc

[brelic]

http://www.philly.co...draft_pick.html

Take it for what it is worth here is Homer's answer on the draft.......

General manager Paul Holmgren says the Flyers will choose the best player available, regardless of position. Pressed on the issue, Holmgren conceded that if a forward and defenseman were equal, he'd probably pick the latter.

"Probably?" "PROBABLY?"

In other words, we shouldn't get our hopes up for Nurse or Zadorov or Ristolainen.

When the GM of a team which has serious defensive issues, nothing on the farm, and no prospects currently in place says if a forward and defenseman were equal that he would PROBABLY pick the defenseman, it's time for that GM to go. Man, this completely utterly p*sses me off.

[Lunatic]

At this point I would reserve judgement on Carchidi's article. I'd be interested hearing from people who cover Canadian Junior Hockey. I do not have an idea as to how good the top three in this draft are, as compared to the rest. If there is a marked difference, I still might go for defence, but might trade down a couple picks and possibly pick up a first round pick next year. At this point it is all speculation, though.

[flyercanuck]

I think you have to take Jones first. But Drouin and MacKinnon (in no particular order) you'd think go 2 and 3. After that Barkov, Nuchushkin, Nurse, Ristolainen, Monahan and Lindholm are all kind of interchangeable, depending on who's drafting.

[TimKerrFan12]

At this point I would reserve judgement on Carchidi's article. I'd be interested hearing from people who cover Canadian Junior Hockey. I do not have an idea as to how good the top three in this draft are, as compared to the rest. If there is a marked difference, I still might go for defence, but might trade down a couple picks and possibly pick up a first round pick next year. At this point it is all speculation, though.

Oh God.....trade down? I thought I only had to endure that with the Eagles. IMHO you take Jones, Drouin MacKinnon if u are in the top 3, after that I would be very happy with one of the top projected guys. Hilarious if we draft McNabb's nephew Nurse, but no booing this time folks.

[flyercanuck]

@TimKerrFan12

Theres no bloodline, so he's got that going for him.

[doom88]

"Probably?" "PROBABLY?"

In other words, we shouldn't get our hopes up for Nurse or Zadorov or Ristolainen.

When the GM of a team which has serious defensive issues, nothing on the farm, and no prospects currently in place says if a forward and defenseman were equal that he would PROBABLY pick the defenseman, it's time for that GM to go. Man, this completely utterly p*sses me off.

Why scream to the world your draft strategy? Seems fine to me. Plus it's Homer, so the opposite of his news quotes are just as likely.

[RonJeremy]

If Jones or Mckinnon are available, you go defense first, if Jones is gone, you take McKinnon, and that makes Coots totally expendable in a trade for defense. If Jones and McKinnon are both gone, I would not pick Drouin ,we dont need another small undersized forward ,we need defense . I try and trade down a few spots, pick up a top prospect from the other team, and make sure Im still in a position to draft Nurse or Pulock.

[jammer2]

@RonJeremy OR, you could trade a top 3 pick for literally almost any d-man you wanted. Could probably fix goaltending and add a stud d-man in one fell swoop if you wanted to go that route. I know you don't trade away young franchise d-men if at all possible, but if we finish in the bottom 3, Homer would be a fool to not listen, see if somebody wants to literally sell the farm to get the pick. Being in the bottom 3 would put them in a wicked trade position. I'm betting a top 3 might net you Bernier and Doughty if we threw in a bit.

[Lunatic]

@RonJeremy OR, you could trade a top 3 pick for literally almost any d-man you wanted. Could probably fix goaltending and add a stud d-man in one fell swoop if you wanted to go that route. I know you don't trade away young franchise d-men if at all possible, but if we finish in the bottom 3, Homer would be a fool to not listen, see if somebody wants to literally sell the farm to get the pick. Being in the bottom 3 would put them in a wicked trade position. I'm betting a top 3 might net you Bernier and Doughty if we threw in a bit.

Jammer, How would you rate the top 3? What do you thik their potential is? Yu must think they are pretty good for LA to give that much up.

[brelic]

Why scream to the world your draft strategy? Seems fine to me. Plus it's Homer, so the opposite of his news quotes are just as likely.

LOL, good point.

Carter: "I hear rumors that you're going to trade me"

Homer: "I promise I will not trade you, Jeff."

... pause ...

Homer: "Jeff, you've been traded to Columbus. Have fun."

[flyercanuck]

@jammer2

Doughty? C'mon.

[jammer2]

@flyercanuck Drew is still quite young, having broke in at 18 years old. But, his points have dropped steadily since his 2nd year 59 point output. After that, 46,40, 36 and is on pace for around 36 again averaged out. Still respectable, but his extension is paying him long term to be a 60-70 point guy, and that has not happened since he signed the deal. His plus minus went from -17 in his rookie year, to +20, then steady declines bottoming out at -3 last year. He should come in around 0 this year, so a strong case can be made is overall play and pts production have steadily declined. I believe LA would get rid of him if the package was right.

The emergence of Voyonov and Muzzin give them a lot of depth on defense. Not to mention #2 prosect in the org, Derek Forbort, although he does not graduate until 2014 from the North Dakota program. Anyways, a top 3 pick would be a good place to start. Why would LA do this, becasue despite the SC victory, they need scoring from young forwards with a minimal cap hit. Obviously Druoin would be their target, since they are set up the middle. Imagine a line of Druoin and Kopitar, does it matter who the 3rd guy is? lol. LA's cupboard is basically bare when it comes to prospects, so a trading is the only way they will upgrade it. All the stars are gone by the time they draft.

[jammer2]

@Lunatic I honestly belive Druoin or McK. will be 50+ goal guys, and challenge or take over Stamkos's spot at the top of the goal scoring heap. They are that good. Jones should be a elite franchise d-man, maybe a Chris Pronger lite, with a tad less mean streak but much better skating than Chris ever had, although he was no slouch in his prime.

[doom88]

@RonJeremy OR, you could trade a top 3 pick for literally almost any d-man you wanted. Could probably fix goaltending and add a stud d-man in one fell swoop if you wanted to go that route. I know you don't trade away young franchise d-men if at all possible, but if we finish in the bottom 3, Homer would be a fool to not listen, see if somebody wants to literally sell the farm to get the pick. Being in the bottom 3 would put them in a wicked trade position. I'm betting a top 3 might net you Bernier and Doughty if we threw in a bit.

Sounds like a reach to me.

[flyercanuck]

@jammer2

And as a rebuilding team the best way to go about this is to take on yet another high paid longterm deal? I'm done with those contracts. I was done with them when they signed Briere. Not one has worked out for us. Not one. Make the guys earn their paycheck.

[CoachX]

"Probably?" "PROBABLY?"

In other words, we shouldn't get our hopes up for Nurse or Zadorov or Ristolainen.

When the GM of a team which has serious defensive issues, nothing on the farm, and no prospects currently in place says if a forward and defenseman were equal that he would PROBABLY pick the defenseman, it's time for that GM to go. Man, this completely utterly p*sses me off.

Don't get so worked up... Homer isn't going to say squat that will reveal what this team is going to do. This is all media gobble-de-gook.

[brelic]

Don't get so worked up... Homer isn't going to say squat that will reveal what this team is going to do. This is all media gobble-de-gook.

It's all I've got left to get worked up about Our season is in the crapper and the draft is all we have!! But yes, I agree. I've come back off the ledge now.

The only thing that could make this post-season exciting is to see the Pens knocked out in the 1st round.

[Lindbergh31]

@jammer2

And as a rebuilding team the best way to go about this is to take on yet another high paid longterm deal? I'm done with those contracts. I was done with them when they signed Briere. Not one has worked out for us. Not one. Make the guys earn their paycheck.

I agree with you FC, these long-term contracts especially with NMC will kill the Flyers from doing anything in future years. The max contract length I'd like to see on Flyers players going forward is 5 years. Buyout Bryzgalov and Briere would be a good start to the rebuild, I'll be happy if they end up with Jones or Nurse as their 1st round pick. On a side note, good luck to your Colts against the Bulls in the Eastern finals, should be a good series. Edited April 15, 2013 by Lindbergh31

[flyercanuck]

@Lindbergh31

Looking forward to it. Hopefully we get Hall and Theoret back at the beginning of the series, and O'Connor back in game 5.

[CoachX]

@brelic

A few years ago the ledge was full of faithfuls who were extremely unhappy with homer and the lack of youth on this team. as i recall he was up against the cap and the team was screwed. now the team has a young core and that cap issue didn't stop them. now the issue is the cap, the defense and NMC. I faith that the cap will be managed just fine, and they can cut a lot of fat and make cap room without hurting the core. as for the NMC issue, they can guy out two of them. I think the only one left to be concerend with is Hartnell. Kimmo has one but he has already stated next year is his last.

So they sucked this year....there are greater tragedies in life. I'm excited about the draft and off seaon

[trevluk]

It's all I've got left to get worked up about Our season is in the crapper and the draft is all we have!!

Look at it this way - this is the best year to have crapper season. This season is a joke and should never have been played in the first place. I couldnt give squirt of piss about this season and think it is an insult to the greatest trophy in sports to hand out the Cup this year. So in my eyes, we sacrifice a meaningless season but still have one of the best drafts in recent memory and I think this team has a nice bounce back next year (not necessarily due to the draft) and have great young core to build with. If we can draft well and keep the core in tact, I think our beloved Flyers could be REALLY strong in a couple of years.

[Dynamo 47]

I think you have to take Jones first. But Drouin and MacKinnon (in no particular order) you'd think go 2 and 3. After that Barkov, Nuchushkin, Nurse, Ristolainen, Monahan and Lindholm are all kind of interchangeable, depending on who's drafting.

Honestly I do no want to the Flyers to go for a forward again this draft. I want either Jones, Nurse or Nikita Zadorov. What do you think of Zadorov? He already has NHL size and has a mean streak and is a good hitter. If we lose out on Nurse or Jones would you take him for need over another forward?

[flyercanuck]

@Dynamo 47

It would depend where we draft. There's no way I'm leaving Barkov or Nichuskin (let alone a Mackinnon or Drouin) on the table for a Luke Schenn type player. I'd take Ristoleinen before him also. If we're picking closer to 10th than 5th then I'm in.

[Dynamo 47]

@Dynamo 47

It would depend where we draft. There's no way I'm leaving Barkov or Nichuskin (let alone a Mackinnon or Drouin) on the table for a Luke Schenn type player. I'd take Ristoleinen before him also. If we're picking closer to 10th than 5th then I'm in.

I am of a similar mindset. I dont want to take a defenseman higher than he is rated unless the team is totally in love with him. I know the Couts pick was kind of a catch 22 as no one expected him to fall to 8 but damn I really was hoping Hamilton was the guy.