So, what would you do to the roster?

[brelic]

Summer is here (at least for the Flyers) and tough decisions will have to be made. We currently sit in 11th spot for the draft, but with Homer, who knows what will happen.

I looked at the numbers on Capgeek, and here's what our roster could look like with minimal tweaks.

Hartnell ($4.75M) / Giroux ($3.75M) / Voracek ($4.25M)

Gagne ($2M) / Schenn ($3.11M) / Simmonds ($3.975M)

Talbot ($1.75M) / Couturier ($1.375) / Read ($0.9M)

Rinaldo ($0.75M) / Laughton ($1.1375M) / McGinn ($0.775M)

Rosehill ($0.675M)

Timonen ($6M) / Schenn ($3.6M)

Grossman ($3.5M) / Gustafsson ($0.850M)

Lauridsen ($0.645M) / Coburn ($4.5M)

Gervais ($0.85M)

Pronger ($4.94M)

Bryz ($5.67M)

Mason ($1.5M)

Bought out: Briere

Traded: Meszaros for a 2nd. Someone is bound to be willing.

I don't want Gervais, so unless he's in the minors or traded, he's under contract with us.

If we get a guy like Ristolainen, I would put him on the 3rd pairing if he impresses in camp over Lauridsen.

Cap: $64.3M

Payroll: $62.079M

Bonuses: $3.012M

Cap space: $5.232M

That actually works for me. We have room for a veteran UFA like Clowe, and that payroll still includes Pronger's full salary.

What do you guys think?

I actually want no part of trading Couts or Schenn for Yandle. He can stick it out in Phoenix for all I care. Carchidi speculated Couts, Coburn, and a 1st for Yandle. Ouch. No effing thanks.

[doom88]

If leave Laughton down where he can get more minutes and replace with Hall. Huskins and Gervais for 6/7 defenders. Leave Lauridsen down for more minutes in the A. Whoever gets drafted stays in juniors for ice time as well, no reason I rush and blow a season on their contract - partially a cap reason three years down the road.

I'd like to buyout Bryz, depending on KHL and NHL UFAs and potential trade targets. Heck, I'm fine with Boosh backing up, as he's good in that role, and a solid teammate.

Stolartz to the AHL?

[aziz]

buyout briere and bryzgalov

trade for negotiating rights to bernier - read, mcginn, 2nd

resign gagne - 2yrs, $5mil

resign fedotenko - 2yrs, $3mil

resign hall - 1yr, $750k

resign gustafsson, manning, lauridsen - 3yrs, $3.75mil manning and lauridsen on two way deals

resign bernier - 3yrs, $7.5mil

hartnell - Giroux - voracek

gagne - schenn - Simmonds

fedotenko - couturier - Talbot

rosehill - rinaldo - hall

timonen - Coburn

schenn - grossmann

gustafsson - meszaros

mason

bernier

$60.92mil on the NHL roster

$62.45mil taking gervias' and bourdon's one way deals and bartulis buyouts into account.

$8.27mil in offseason cap space, including the 10% allowed overage.

if the flyers can get to the next-season salary cap and thus get full benefit of pronger's LTIR, they'd have $6.791mil in cap space once the season begins.

the flyers have fair depth at center and a couple bottom-pair defensive options, if couturier needs to be dangled, probably along with a pick and possibly a roster dman for a defensive upgrade, but don't really know who that would be. wouldn't move either schenn, though.

[flyerrod]

Hartnell ($4.75M) / Giroux ($3.75M) / Voracek ($4.25M)

Gagne ($2M) / Schenn ($3.11M) / Simmonds ($3.975M)

Talbot ($1.75M) / Couturier ($1.375) / Read ($0.9M)

Rinaldo ($0.75M) / Laughton ($1.1375M) / McGinn ($0.775M)

Rosehill ($0.675M)

Timonen ($6M) / Schenn ($3.6M)

Grossman ($3.5M) / Gustafsson ($0.850M)

Lauridsen ($0.645M) / Coburn ($4.5M)

Gervais ($0.85M)

Pronger ($4.94M)

Bryz ($5.67M)

Mason ($1.5M)

Gervais is waived and sent to the AHL or should have been as of yesterday. I would ink Huskins to a 1 year deal and I agree with moving Mez for the sole reason of his injury record. The return on him needs to be a 2nd or a 3rd and 4th. I am ready to roll with Mason next season. He has already in his short time with the Flyers won the respect of his team mates and it shows. Manning and Konan can spend the next season in the A playing top pair and log some serious minutes. The other kid from the A that I would love to see given a look is Slater. You could flip him for Talbot (if you were looking to move Talbot as it seemed they were shopping him before he was injured).

[aziz]

<br />Gervais is waived and sent to the AHL or should have been as of yesterday.<br />

as I understand it, all one way contracts count against the cap with the new CBA. no more hiding them in the A.

[flyerrod]

as I understand it, all one way contracts count against the cap with the new CBA. no more hiding them in the A.

His contract is pennies as far as "hiding" goes....I just want him gone because he sucks pucks.........I would be more worried about number of contracts than his salary cap hit....

[Jmdodgesrt4]

What would I do? Anybody on my roster is untouchable except coby/mezz/breezy/briere. Buy out briere and breezy. Sign another Ufa goalie or trade for a known back up. Trade coby/mezz and our 1st to whatever team wants it even if its only to move up two spots. Select best d prospect. Send to juniors. Sign streit and clowe and gagne

Harts/g/vor

Clowe/Schenn/reed

Gagne/coots/ simmonds

Mcginn/talbot or hall/ rinaldo

Big Dane /Schenn

Kimmo/grossman

Streit/mezz or coby

Mason

Back up goalie

Edited April 28, 2013 by Jmdodgesrt4

[doom88]

Actually, would it be crazy to buyout Bryz and offer sheet Bob? He's RFA (and IN DIVISION NEXT SEASON). Markstrom, Bernier, and Enroth are RFAs as well.

http://stats.nhlnumbers.com/free_agents?team=&position=Goaltender&status=&order=&year=2014

There are several alright UFA choices for backup as well.

[Hexy27]

Actually, would it be crazy to buyout Bryz and offer sheet Bob? He's RFA (and IN DIVISION NEXT SEASON). Markstrom, Bernier, and Enroth are RFAs as well.

http://stats.nhlnumb...rder=&year=2014

There are several alright UFA choices for backup as well.

I think doing that would solidfy this team as the laughing stock of the league. I would love to see Bob in net for the Flyers but unfortunately that ship has sailed.

[JackStraw]

@brelic - in general I think along similar lines as you do. Nothing really dramatic. One thing I would try to do is to sign Marc Streit. Rumor has it he wants $5.5M for three years. A lot, but could be doable and the team will need someone like him when Timonen retires.

[Digityman]

buyout briere and bryzgalov

trade for negotiating rights to bernier - read, mcginn, 2nd

resign gagne - 2yrs, $5mil

resign fedotenko - 2yrs, $3mil

resign hall - 1yr, $750k

resign gustafsson, manning, lauridsen - 3yrs, $3.75mil manning and lauridsen on two way deals

resign bernier - 3yrs, $7.5mil

hartnell - Giroux - voracek

gagne - schenn - Simmonds

fedotenko - couturier - Talbot

rosehill - rinaldo - hall

timonen - Coburn

schenn - grossmann

gustafsson - meszaros

mason

bernier

$60.92mil on the NHL roster

$62.45mil taking gervias' and bourdon's one way deals and bartulis buyouts into account.

$8.27mil in offseason cap space, including the 10% allowed overage.

I agree with almost all of this but...

See if Mez + Flyers 1st moves you up 2-4 spots in the draft. Pick goes to AHL probably.

I think Laughton is more expendable then Read at this point. Read can turn into into a poor man's Gagne I think. He holds the puck well, fast, has a great shot and decent hands. And the Flyers are very strong/young down the middle as it is. So maybe Laughton & 2nd gets Bernier. Bernier and Mason fight each other for a contract and are the best tandem in the NHL next year.

I agree with all the resigns except Fedotenko. With Talbot coming back they have enough PK Read can do everything Feds can do with more of an upside.

I would keep Gagne on the top line Hartnell gives the puck away to much and is usually pretty bad in his own end. Putting him with B Schenn & Simmonds would be bad. Talbot and Couturier can make up for Hartnell.

So my lines would be:

Gagne/Giroux/Jake

Read/Schenn/Simmonds

Hartnell/Couturier/Talbot

Rosehill/Rinaldo/Hall

Timonen/Coburn

Schenn/Grossman

Lauridsen/Gustafsson

Mason

Bernier

[doom88]

I think doing that would solidfy this team as the laughing stock of the league. I would love to see Bob in net for the Flyers but unfortunately that ship has sailed.

Ignoring the fact we had the player, why not? RFA Vezina winner.

I don't care if other teams are laughing as long as the Flyers beat them. I mean, the Flyers already have Bryz signed to an abomination of a contract, so I highly doubt embarassment is a factor anyway.

[Hexy27]

Ignoring the fact we had the player, why not? RFA Vezina winner.

I don't care if other teams are laughing as long as the Flyers beat them. I mean, the Flyers already have Bryz signed to an abomination of a contract, so I highly doubt embarassment is a factor anyway.

I agree in that as long as the Flyers are winning I could care less what other teams think. I do think these "embarrassments" add up over time in the minds of players and may make it difficult to lure talent to the team.

I don't think they will try another offer sheet so soon after what happened with Weber. Even if they did I am sure Columbus would match. I think they know what they have in Bob and I doubt they will give up on him as easily as the Flyers did.

[radoran]

as I understand it, all one way contracts count against the cap with the new CBA. no more hiding them in the A.

You can "hide" contracts under $900K in the A. Anything above $900K counts against the cap (Boucher, for example, was a $50K cap hit with a $950K salary).

[aziz]

@radoran

ah, good info. thanks.

[Bakanekimiwa]

buyout briere and bryzgalov

trade for negotiating rights to bernier - read, mcginn, 2nd

resign gagne - 2yrs, $5mil

resign fedotenko - 2yrs, $3mil

resign hall - 1yr, $750k

resign gustafsson, manning, lauridsen - 3yrs, $3.75mil manning and lauridsen on two way deals

resign bernier - 3yrs, $7.5mil

hartnell - Giroux - voracek

gagne - schenn - Simmonds

fedotenko - couturier - Talbot

rosehill - rinaldo - hall

timonen - Coburn

schenn - grossmann

gustafsson - meszaros

mason

bernier

$60.92mil on the NHL roster

$62.45mil taking gervias' and bourdon's one way deals and bartulis buyouts into account.

$8.27mil in offseason cap space, including the 10% allowed overage.

if the flyers can get to the next-season salary cap and thus get full benefit of pronger's LTIR, they'd have $6.791mil in cap space once the season begins.

the flyers have fair depth at center and a couple bottom-pair defensive options, if couturier needs to be dangled, probably along with a pick and possibly a roster dman for a defensive upgrade, but don't really know who that would be. wouldn't move either schenn, though.

good stuff... i like it. except, they just won't buy out bryz this summer. that, and apparently Rusty was unhappy with his role and seems to think he's got more offensive upside that anyone else in the league thinks he does.. i don't think he re-signs.

[aziz]

good stuff... i like it. except, they just won't buy out bryz this summer. that, and apparently Rusty was unhappy with his role and seems to think he's got more offensive upside that anyone else in the league thinks he does.. i don't think he re-signs.

rusty is infinitely replaceable...but, really, he thinks he has game? well, whatever. 60 more of those where he came from.

and I just hope beyond hope that you are wrong on bryzgalov. I have the same feeling, really, but...I keep thinking of the several oh-no-he-didn't moves Holmgren has made from out of nowhere, trades that a day before they happened we all would have said there was no way in hell...I hope he goes all precipitous and rash on us at least one more time.

[Dynamo 47]

buyout briere and bryzgalov

trade for negotiating rights to bernier - read, mcginn, 2nd

resign gagne - 2yrs, $5mil

resign fedotenko - 2yrs, $3mil

resign hall - 1yr, $750k

resign gustafsson, manning, lauridsen - 3yrs, $3.75mil manning and lauridsen on two way deals

resign bernier - 3yrs, $7.5mil

hartnell - Giroux - voracek

gagne - schenn - Simmonds

fedotenko - couturier - Talbot

rosehill - rinaldo - hall

timonen - Coburn

schenn - grossmann

gustafsson - meszaros

mason

bernier

$60.92mil on the NHL roster

$62.45mil taking gervias' and bourdon's one way deals and bartulis buyouts into account.

$8.27mil in offseason cap space, including the 10% allowed overage.

if the flyers can get to the next-season salary cap and thus get full benefit of pronger's LTIR, they'd have $6.791mil in cap space once the season begins.

the flyers have fair depth at center and a couple bottom-pair defensive options, if couturier needs to be dangled, probably along with a pick and possibly a roster dman for a defensive upgrade, but don't really know who that would be. wouldn't move either schenn, though.

Ii like a lot of that but I would not really want Gags and Ruslan back. I would prefer to try to sign Nathan Horton who would add more size and some skill up front. I think you put him on a wing with Giroux and he can easily score 30 goals again.

[radoran]

Ii like a lot of that but I would not really want Gags and Ruslan back. I would prefer to try to sign Nathan Horton who would add more size and some skill up front. I think you put him on a wing with Giroux and he can easily score 30 goals again.

A problem there is that Horton will likely cost more than Gags and Rusty combined. He's on for $4M now and in a bidding war will likely get more.

aziz's roster has Gags at $2.5M and Rusty at $1.5M.

That said, if you move Hartnell off Giroux's line, where do you put that $4.75M contract for the next six years?

[brelic]

A problem there is that Horton will likely cost more than Gags and Rusty combined. He's on for $4M now and in a bidding war will likely get more.

aziz's roster has Gags at $2.5M and Rusty at $1.5M.

That said, if you move Hartnell off Giroux's line, where do you put that $4.75M contract for the next six years?

The other problem is that Bernier will cost more than Read/McGinn/2nd. Quantity doesn't make up for lack of quality.

Put another way, would you give up a first round potential franchise goalie for Dustin Penner, Jordan Nolan, and a 2nd?

I know it looks like LA probably chose the wrong goalie to give a 10-year contrat, so there's that. But they don't *have* to move Bernier, and I really don't think they'll move him for peanuts.

[radoran]

The other problem is that Bernier will cost more than Read/McGinn/2nd. Quantity doesn't make up for lack of quality.

Put another way, would you give up a first round potential franchise goalie for Dustin Penner, Jordan Nolan, and a 2nd?

I know it looks like LA probably chose the wrong goalie to give a 10-year contrat, so there's that. But they don't *have* to move Bernier, and I really don't think they'll move him for peanuts.

I think a valid question is does anyone offer sheet Bernier? A $3M offer gives LA a second rounder in compensation.

Does LA deal for McGinn/Read/2nd rather than potentially losing Bernier for just a 2nd?

I don't see them matching a $3M offer given what they have invested in Quick.

[brelic]

I think a valid question is does anyone offer sheet Bernier? A $3M offer gives LA a second rounder in compensation.

Does LA deal for McGinn/Read/2nd rather than potentially losing Bernier for just a 2nd?

I don't see them matching a $3M offer given what they have invested in Quick.

I can't see how they let him go. You match, and then a signed Bernier becomes much more valuable in a trade. Ok, so they have to wait an extra year.. but really, not the end of the world as he gains more NHL experience in the meantime.

EDIT: To me, the exception would be an offer sheet of $3.3M or more, where the Kings would get a 1st and 3rd. If there's a 1st rounder involved, maybe you let him go, take the picks, and sign a cheap backup. Win-win for the Kings in that scenario.

[radoran]

I can't see how they let him go. You match, and then a signed Bernier becomes much more valuable in a trade. Ok, so they have to wait an extra year.. but really, not the end of the world as he gains more NHL experience in the meantime.

Well, they have 10 forwards, three defensemen and a goalie signed for next year with $50M on the cap right now. Penner's a UFA.

Take that to $53M and you have $10M to sign 2 forwards, 3 defensemen and an extra roster player.

It's possible, no doubt. But if you could get two players and a pick now - I think it gets considered. Might need to be more than McGinn but I think Read at $900K as a two-year vet at his age actually does have some significant value.

Last year's 2nd round compensation top was $3,364,391.

[aziz]

The other problem is that Bernier will cost more than Read/McGinn/2nd. Quantity doesn't make up for lack of quality.

I based that on other goalies in similar situations and what they brought in trade. the similar situation being an expiring FA, and the trading team being in a spot where they really just can't keep the guy. I don't think bernier signs another deal in LA, with quick locked in contract-wise as the number 1 guy. bernier has a ton of talent and is ready, I think, to try his hand at taking the number 1 job somewhere. 66 total NHL games at age 25 (will be 26 by the time next season starts), I have to think he's done being in a spot where he can't move forward.

my specific comparison was halak. he was coming off his 45 start, .924sv% season in montreal, age 25. montreal had to choose between him and price, and both wanted the starting job. knowing only one could be the guy, and montreal chose price. traded halak for lars eller and ian schultz. which, imo, is less than read, mcginn and a 2nd.

bryzgalov is another example. as crappy as he is, he had a couple statistically great seasons in phoenix. his negotiating rights were traded to philly for matt clackson, a 3rd, and futures.

the reality is that goalies don't bring a ton in trade. especially ones that are promising but not proven. obviously, lundqvist would require a lot, but bernier's career is not lundqvist's. where ever he goes, LA is not getting a king's (lulz) ranson for him.

[flyercanuck]

A problem there is that Horton will likely cost more than Gags and Rusty combined. He's on for $4M now and in a bidding war will likely get more.

aziz's roster has Gags at $2.5M and Rusty at $1.5M.

That said, if you move Hartnell off Giroux's line, where do you put that $4.75M contract for the next six years?

I don't get the love for Horton. I find him to be one of the biggest floaters around. When he's on he's a great player who can score and knock you on your arse. But so many games he just goes out for a skate. I think a lot of people would hate this guy in Philly after watching him for a full season.

Holmgren should be shot for the contracts he gives out.