Brayden Schenn: MIA

[fanaticV3.0]

Dude, what the **** is your ****** problem?  Trying to have some fun, and your acting like a total ****** asshole calling me an idiot.

Go **** yourself...and go back to silly.com where you childish ass belongs.

 

I didn't call you an idiot. I said if you think that one game carries more than the previous 17 then you are an idiot. Do you think last night's game is more telling of his previous 17? If so,  then yes you're an idiot. If you don't, then I wouldn't worry about it.

[fanaticV3.0]

Yes. But not nearly the problem of the highly paid vets who have yet to carry the load this season. And kids are supposed to have ups and downs.

 

Schenn is more valuable to this team than Streit is. He's a core player and expected to be one for many years to come. When he doesn't perform that hurts the team more than a player who plays a smaller role.

 

All players have ups and downs, regardless of age. Stop with the bullsh!t excuses and favoritism.

[radoran]

Schenn is more valuable to this team than Streit is. He's a core player and expected to be one for many years to come. When he doesn't perform that hurts the team more than a player who plays a smaller role.

 

All players have ups and downs, regardless of age. Stop with the bullsh!t excuses and favoritism.

 

Streit is expected to be the QB for the #1 PP unit - and is signed for three more seasons after this one.

 

If you think the QB of the #1 PP unit who is signed for three more years on a 35+ contract isn't a core player then you're an idiot.

[murraycraven]

Ya, I wasn't alluding to that. Just putting Schenns up and down play into context...it's what most developing players do.

 

agreed... I would really love to see him play well no that he is back at center w/out VLC.   The kid just needs time... just like JvR did.

[PhilsFanDrew]

Richards was essentially the teams' first line center at that point in his career.

 

Schenn's playing second line wing.

 

Just a bit of apples and oranges there.

 

BSchenn is among the "least of our worries" at the moment, but if the Simmonds/BSchenn/Voracek/Couturier group doesn't step it up, the trades start looking less and less attractive in retrospect.

 

They traded established players for potential, and it's time that they live up to the potential.

 

The established guys that left have already won a Cup.

 

I agree that they need to start living up to potential but I don't buy into the whole "Well Richards and Carter won a cup so its a bad trade" argument either.   At least if Simmonds, Schenn, Voracek, Couts don't work out they can eventually move on relatively soon.   All of those players are tradeable and don't have albatross contracts.   If you kept Richards and Carter you are stuck with them for many years.   That can be a good or bad thing.   Although being made the cornerstones of the franchise it did not appear they were handling it well following the Stanley Cup appearance in 2010.   They did much better when they were brought on in supporting roles for LA. 

[fanaticV3.0]

Streit is expected to be the QB for the #1 PP unit - and is signed for three more seasons after this one.

 

If you think the QB of the #1 PP unit who is signed for three more years on a 35+ contract isn't a core player then you're an idiot.

 

There's a difference between what he's signed for and whether he actually is that anymore or not. If you think he was ever going to be capable of running the PP - at this point in his career - you're as dumb as Homer is for signing him. I don't think Streit is or ever will be an important piece to this team. I think that thinking he is the solution to anything is moronic. He's a washed up one-dimensional player. I think this was all obvioius before he was signed. I think we all know that. So to call him important because our GM was dumb enough to would be pretty stupid.

 

Streit might cost more money, but we all know he's done. He's got no place in the future of this team and will likely be bought out before his contract expires. Schenn not only has a future with the team, he's one of "the guys" expected to be the face of the organIzation for the next several years. If you don't think that's more important, you need a dose of reality.

Edited December 10, 2013 by fanaticV3.0

[radoran]

I agree that they need to start living up to potential but I don't buy into the whole "Well Richards and Carter won a cup so its a bad trade" argument either.   At least if Simmonds, Schenn, Voracek, Couts don't work out they can eventually move on relatively soon.   All of those players are tradeable and don't have albatross contracts.   If you kept Richards and Carter you are stuck with them for many years.   That can be a good or bad thing.   Although being made the cornerstones of the franchise it did not appear they were handling it well following the Stanley Cup appearance in 2010.   They did much better when they were brought on in supporting roles for LA. 

 

It's not a one to one situation, but the Flyers did trade the leadership core they had developed into a Cup Finalist in favor of four guys with "potential."

 

If those guys don't reach that "potential" then the fact that the guys they traded away did win is certainly not a point in favor of the trade.

 

In no way it is the only consideration, but, again, certainly a point against.

 

(and who was the guy that committed the team "for many years" to the two players in question? hmmmm)

[murraycraven]

Streit might cost more money, but we all know he's done. He's got no place in the future of this team and will likely be bought out before his contract expires

 

her cant be bought out... we already exercised our compliance buyouts.   He is here to stay...

[fanaticV3.0]

her cant be bought out... we already exercised our compliance buyouts.   He is here to stay...

 

I don't think he's going to play all four years of his contract, is that more appropriate? I don't know if he gets hurt, retires, or whatever, but I'd be surprised if he finishes out that contract. He looks bad this year. Really bad. I don't think he's going to be capable of actually fulfilling the contract.

[radoran]

I don't think he's going to play all four years of his contract, is that more appropriate? I don't know if he gets hurt, retires, or whatever, but I'd be surprised if he finishes out that contract. He looks bad this year. Really bad. I don't think he's going to be capable of actually fulfilling the contract.

 

If you don't think that a 35+ deal stays on the cap regardless of whether the player plays or not, you're an idiot.

 

If you think buying a 35+ deal out takes his cap hit off the books, you're an idiot.

 

If you don't realize that the Flyers used both their compliance buyouts, you're an idiot.

 

On the bright side, that would only be $10M in cap space taken up by two 35+ defensemen who aren't playing any more.

[flyercanuck]

Schenn is more valuable to this team than Streit is. He's a core player and expected to be one for many years to come. When he doesn't perform that hurts the team more than a player who plays a smaller role.

 

All players have ups and downs, regardless of age. Stop with the bullsh!t excuses and favoritism.

 

It's my opinion that younger players should get more leeway than veterans should. It's not a bs excuse, it's my opinion. I've said this to you multiple times...if you don't like it,ignore it..I'm not changing my opinion cause you don't like it. Still.  

[flyercanuck]

If you don't think that a 35+ deal stays on the cap regardless of whether the player plays or not, you're an idiot.

 

If you think buying a 35+ deal out takes his cap hit off the books, you're an idiot.

 

If you don't realize that the Flyers used both their compliance buyouts, you're an idiot.

 

On the bright side, that would only be $10M in cap space taken up by two 35+ defensemen who aren't playing any more.

 

 

Remember when only idiots called idiots idiots?

[OccamsRazor]

Sure he's not great, but he sure as heck isn't whats dragging this team down. Brayden is 9th in caphit for forwards on Philly, but 2nd in points. Do you really think he's the problem?

 

 

I agree my whipping boy order goes as follows:

 

#1 Mark Streit.....paging the offensive Mark Streit!!!! Good lord he can't play defense...so the only the he has left to save himself from being Philly most hated is find the twine....or help someone else at least bare minimum.

 

#2 Voracek....he scored last night yet still looking completely lost....still. I hope last night was the damn bursting....

 

#3 Hartnell....just at loss for words to say about this guy....his contract makes me nauseous...

 

#4 Giroux....why isn't this guy playing well away from the puck does he remember guys are sitting on the bench watching his lead...right or wrong they are...he needs to improve in a lot of areas and what is the worst part is he is the captain who should know this, and the BIG deal hasn't even kick in yet.

 

#5 Kimmo...really maybe be almost #1 over Streit considering his pay check verse production but he make be banged up it seems he always is...but he is waaaay to experienced to dealing with his sporadic play as of late. Consistent play through out the lineup is needed.

 

honorable mention: Raffl........big deal he finally scored he still needs to pick it up, the only bright spot about him is his cost...cheap.

 

 

Edit: Almost forgot the topic....so no Schenn is the least of my worries of late....

Edited December 10, 2013 by OccamsRazor

[murraycraven]

I don't think he's going to play all four years of his contract, is that more appropriate? I don't know if he gets hurt, retires, or whatever, but I'd be surprised if he finishes out that contract. He looks bad this year. Really bad. I don't think he's going to be capable of actually fulfilling the contract.

 

 

Does not matter he will still count against the cap b/c of the >35 contract.   The only way he is going is if he is traded - and btw, Homer threw in a NMC/NTC in for good measure.   Ergo, his is likely to be a Flyer.

[radoran]

Remember when only idiots called idiots idiots?

 

I didn't call him an idiot. I said if he thinks that the team can just buy out Streit and get out from under the contract then he's an idiot. Does he think that the team can just buy out Streit? If so, then yes he's an idiot. If he doesn't, then I wouldn't worry about it.

[CoachX]

@flyercanuck

 

never argue with an idiot...they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience

[murraycraven]

I didn't call him an idiot. I said if he thinks that the team can just buy out Streit and get out from under the contract then he's an idiot. Does he think that the team can just buy out Streit? If so, then yes he's an idiot. If he doesn't, then I wouldn't worry about it.

 

 

LOL!  touche!

[flyercanuck]

I didn't call him an idiot. I said if he thinks that the team can just buy out Streit and get out from under the contract then he's an idiot. Does he think that the team can just buy out Streit? If so, then yes he's an idiot. If he doesn't, then I wouldn't worry about it.

 

lol...Oh I'm not worried about it.

[OccamsRazor]

I didn't call him an idiot. I said if he thinks that the team can just buy out Streit and get out from under the contract then he's an idiot. Does he think that the team can just buy out Streit? If so, then yes he's an idiot. If he doesn't, then I wouldn't worry about it

 

 

I see what you did there you think you're slick.....

 

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34ag4nkSh7Q

 

 

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Edited December 10, 2013 by OccamsRazor

[fanaticV3.0]

If you don't think that a 35+ deal stays on the cap regardless of whether the player plays or not, you're an idiot.

 

If you think buying a 35+ deal out takes his cap hit off the books, you're an idiot.

 

If you don't realize that the Flyers used both their compliance buyouts, you're an idiot.

 

On the bright side, that would only be $10M in cap space taken up by two 35+ defensemen who aren't playing any more.

 

I call bullshit on that one bub. Just because you've got nothing better to do with your life than memorize the Flyers cap situation over the next decade doesn't make somebody a bad fan for not doing the same thing.

[fanaticV3.0]

I agree that they need to start living up to potential but I don't buy into the whole "Well Richards and Carter won a cup so its a bad trade" argument either.   At least if Simmonds, Schenn, Voracek, Couts don't work out they can eventually move on relatively soon.   All of those players are tradeable and don't have albatross contracts.   If you kept Richards and Carter you are stuck with them for many years.   That can be a good or bad thing.   Although being made the cornerstones of the franchise it did not appear they were handling it well following the Stanley Cup appearance in 2010.   They did much better when they were brought on in supporting roles for LA. 

 

Anyone still adhering to that line of thinking is a bitter fool. It's crap logic. To assume you win a cup with players who won it somewhere else is completely ignoring the larger situation. Like you said, supporting roles in LA. Much different situation than here.

[fanaticV3.0]

It's my opinion that younger players should get more leeway than veterans should. It's not a bs excuse, it's my opinion. I've said this to you multiple times...if you don't like it,ignore it..I'm not changing my opinion cause you don't like it. Still.  

 

And everybody knows opinions can't be wrong, right?

[fanaticV3.0]

Does not matter he will still count against the cap b/c of the >35 contract.   The only way he is going is if he is traded - and btw, Homer threw in a NMC/NTC in for good measure.   Ergo, his is likely to be a Flyer.

 

Yeah that blows. The deal is a bad one for sure.

 

I still say he doesn't play out the contract though, even if he's getting paid for it. The guy just looks like he's done. Since he's already signed, if he can't play his last year or two, while that is a blow to the cap, I'd actually prefer that than to have him on the ice hurting the team's play. It's not an ideal situation, but I'd prefer that to what's going on now. He's actually a detriment to the on-ice product now.

[mojo1917]

To me the title of this thread reeks of hypocrisy,  Everyone says lets rebuild , let's have a youth movement, let the kids play, and then when management does the very thing everyone has pined for... and the kids play like... young players, everyone says they suck, they're MIA , they're overrated.

 

what is it that people want ?  I mean really.  B Schenn is 21, Couturier is 21, L Schenn is 23,  they are getting OJT in the best hockey league in the world, I haven't met one person my whole life that stepped into a situation at the highest level and clocked it.  Even Sidney Crosby had some learning to do...

Okay Brayden Schenn has not been great every game he's played, but he does, play hard, play physically ,while playing more than one position with rotating linemates and ultimately he does produce albeit in an uneven fashion.  Lighten up  people, the youth movement is what you wanted, the play we're seeing from our youth is what you get. 

[fanaticV3.0]

To me the title of this thread reeks of hypocrisy,  Everyone says lets rebuild , let's have a youth movement, let the kids play, and then when management does the very thing everyone has pined for... and the kids play like... young players, everyone says they suck, they're MIA , they're overrated.

 

what is it that people want ?  I mean really.  B Schenn is 21, Couturier is 21, L Schenn is 23,  they are getting OJT in the best hockey league in the world, I haven't met one person my whole life that stepped into a situation at the highest level and clocked it.  Even Sidney Crosby had some learning to do...

Okay Brayden Schenn has not been great every game he's played, but he does, play hard, play physically ,while playing more than one position with rotating linemates and ultimately he does produce albeit in an uneven fashion.  Lighten up  people, the youth movement is what you wanted, the play we're seeing from our youth is what you get. 

 

Pointing out that a player is struggling doesn't mean somebody is calling for their head. Unless I missed something and the OP actually said we should give up on Schenn?