CoachX Posted December 29, 2013 Author Share Posted December 29, 2013 He is "good in the room", "hard to play against", he's the type of player you need to keep the team on an even keel.He's big, He goes to the net , he does hit and is a good guy to have around in a playoff series.That said, I think he may have found a home with Schenn and Simmonds... They look pretty decent, lots of sand paper with that group , once Downie comes back. I just don't see him displacing either Schenn or Simmer when VLC moves back to centering that line.I won't argue that his production has fallen off , or that some nights he looks like a square peg in a round hole. I blame Clarke.I don't see the "he's hard to play against" point. If Im the other team, I just go at him a bit and wait for one of the two inevitibles... he either falls down, or takes a penalty. In some cases he will fall down while taking a penalty. The things you are outlining are not exclusive to Hartnell. Lots of big players go to the net. Its not like he is the only guy who will do it. And when he gets to the net what does he do? He fans, falls down or takes a penalty. As for his character in the room, I seem to recall Jody Shelley was a good guy in the room. If that doesn't translate on the ice, what good is it? In Hartnell's defense, he did manage to get in the way of someone else's shot and got a goal last night. I guess for the money he's making he should do something productive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmdodgesrt4 Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Let's get rid of Hartnel . I mean we have a large team upfront who can stand in the crease and hacked and whacked . I mean without Hartnel we have a huge list of power forwards like simmonds and simmonds and simmonds. Simmonds can't be split Into thirds people. We would get steam rolled by Boston. Unless your getting a proven power forward back it's a stupid move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 @CoachX we have seen Hartnell play well, He has some things that can't be taught like size and good hands. I totally get that when he's not scoring it really stands out, more so than when say Matt Read is not scoring.Hartnell has been a 25/25 guy (roughly) for the Flyers and they don't grow on trees. He makes too much money to be scuffling along the way he is now and maybe he is a poor fit for Berube's skating style and i also understand your dislike of him. However there is no guarantee that he continues to play as poorly as he as so far this year. He started pretty poorly the year he potted 37 goals so I'm not ready to throw him under the bus and pray he gets traded for a bag of pucks. i don't think he's all that bad, clearly your mileage varies but that's all good. Happy New Year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 I like Hartnell I really do... and as JMDodgers stated he is willing to play tough minutes in front of the net. He is a calssy guy and does a lot for the community here in Philly and I think he really does enjoy Philly... it is not the player I dislike it is the contract. Of anyone on this Team I want Hartnell to succeed b/c he is such a good guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 @murraycraven I would love to get rid of Hartnells contract. That said, he's the first guy on that team I'd want to have a beer with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 @murraycraven I would love to get rid of Hartnells contract. That said, he's the first guy on that team I'd want to have a beer with. Absolutely... I think he is one of those rare professionals that actuall get "it"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 Absolutely... I think he is one of those rare professionals that actuall get "it"... So just give him 4th line duty a while till he picks it up or an injury...scratch Zac (40gms 1 wittle point -12) till he plays smarter and learns to be more effective. People give him a pass cause he's an enforcer but it's time to just roll four lines and try to climb in the standings and get away from goon hockey, besides that may mean less power plays for the other team he just isn't drawing penalties like he use to. Raffl-Giroux-JakeSchenn-VLC-SImmerRead-Coots-DownieHartnell-Hall-VandZac Rosehill Kimmo/CobyStreit/GrossSchenn/GusMezz Gill I'm not certain it's possible due to many bodies but it should they could just waive Gill and send him to the minors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poulin20 Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Bump! Look at what we were discussing at this time last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegionOfDoom Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 Then and now; What will it be next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegionOfDoom Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 Then and now. What will it be next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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