jackhole Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Per CSN PHILLY. As someone who is also a center, I share his sentiment exactly. Its far different than most think. Perhaps easier to adjust from wing to center, I don't know. What say you wingers out there? I guess I don't understand berube, who says he wants Vinnie to 'shoot more, and 'be a shooter.' If we're going to force Vinnie to play left wing, and him being a natural 'shooter,' why not put him with Jake and G - whom most agree need a pure goalscorer on that line. Especially since Hartnell had good chemistry with Schenn and Simmer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Per CSN PHILLY. As someone who is also a center, I share his sentiment exactly. Its far different than most think. Perhaps easier to adjust from wing to center, I don't know. What say you wingers out there? I guess I don't understand berube, who says he wants Vinnie to 'shoot more, and 'be a shooter.' If we're going to force Vinnie to play left wing, and him being a natural 'shooter,' why not put him with Jake and G - whom most agree need a pure goalscorer on that line. Especially since Hartnell had good chemistry with Schenn and Simmer? In 2006, Vinny scored 52 goals that season. That's 9 fewer than Berube scored in his ENTIRE CAREER. So pardon me if I defer to Vinny in this case and not the head coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doom88 Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 In 2006, Vinny scored 52 goals that season. That's 9 fewer than Berube scored in his ENTIRE CAREER.So pardon me if I defer to Vinny in this case and not the head coach.Irrelevant. Gretzky was a terrible coach, and Bylsma has a ring. Stats have no bearing on ones' ability to coach whatsoever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Irrelevant. Gretzky was a terrible coach, and Bylsma has a ring. Stats have no bearing on ones' ability to coach whatsoever. I'm saying it's probably more to do with the bad *coaching* decision to play him out of position than Vinny-400-career-NHL-goals not shooting enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Per CSN PHILLY. As someone who is also a center, I share his sentiment exactly. Its far different than most think. Perhaps easier to adjust from wing to center, I don't know. What say you wingers out there? I guess I don't understand berube, who says he wants Vinnie to 'shoot more, and 'be a shooter.' If we're going to force Vinnie to play left wing, and him being a natural 'shooter,' why not put him with Jake and G - whom most agree need a pure goalscorer on that line. Especially since Hartnell had good chemistry with Schenn and Simmer? Jackhole... as someone who played wing my entire playing career I agree. I think it is easier to move a Wing to C than a C to wing. This has been daebated to no end on this site so I a not opening those can of worms again. I think people that never played the game have a tough time realizing how difficult it can be for a player. With that said I am putting the crosshairs on Homer for this debacle. There was no reason to sign **ANOTHER** center - none. You buy out Danny B's contract and pretty much get yourself into another bad contract w/ another freaking Center. Vinny, IMO, needs to be a Center for him to succeed here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 I read the article and love this quote from the chief: "“I’m not saying it’s easy [to transition at his age]. Is it tough? Well, it might be. You have to ask him. Whether it is or not, he has to find a way.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 I'm saying it's probably more to do with the bad *coaching* decision to play him out of position than Vinny-400-career-NHL-goals not shooting enough. I read the article and love this quote from the chief: "“I’m not saying it’s easy [to transition at his age]. Is it tough? Well, it might be. You have to ask him. Whether it is or not, he has to find a way.” Shorter(?) Berube: "We bought this gold plated square peg and, dammit, it's fitting in this round hole!" So they have a 400-goal-scoring center they are forcing to play wing and a drafted wing who they're playing at center. And this isn't working out as they had hoped? Shocked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Shorter(?) Berube: "We bought this gold plated square peg and, dammit, it's fitting in this round hole!" So they have a 400-goal-scoring center they are forcing to play wing and a drafted wing who they're playing at center. And this isn't working out as they had hoped? Shocked. It is amazing Rad when one stops and actually **thinks** about it, huh?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStraw Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 It is amazing Rad when one stops and actually **thinks** about it, huh?! "Amazing" is not exactly the word I would have used. "Inconceivable" comes close. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 What say you wingers out there? TRADE HIS ASS FOR A DEFENSEMAN THEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 TRADE HIS ASS FOR A DEFENSEMAN THEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Vincent's "No Movement Clause" says "hello" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 "Amazing" is not exactly the word I would have used. "Inconceivable" comes close. Unconscionable even? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Vincent's "No Movement Clause" says "hello" Well that doesn't cover moving his ass to the press box then!!!!!!!!!!! Braydon looks better at center to me...talk him into waiving it and try to move him for defensive help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStraw Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Unconscionable even? Yes, even that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Well that doesn't cover moving his ass to the press box then!!!!!!!!!!! Braydon looks better at center to me...talk him into waiving it and try to move him for defensive help. I'd love to do that. Just don't see the Flyers accomplishing it this year. There's no way, IMO, they are putting VLC into the press box. Brayden Schenn should have been the guy that they were putting into VLC's slot (2nd line center). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Brayden Schenn should have been the guy that they were putting into VLC's slot (2nd line center). yeah but that would take actual planning Rad... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 yeah but that would take actual planning Rad... you mean like trading your established top two centers for a bunch of young 20-something guys to grow the team around in the future doesn't involve signing the 33-year-old to fill one of their slots? why would you think that's a plan? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 (edited) you mean like trading your established top two centers for a bunch of young 20-something guys to grow the team around in the future doesn't involve signing the 33-year-old to fill one of their slots? why would you think that's a plan? i think it may take a fresh perspective :blink: Edited February 3, 2014 by murraycraven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackhole Posted February 3, 2014 Author Share Posted February 3, 2014 Murraycraven Agreed on the signing I'd think we would've seen him on the top line at this point, I mean, just to see if it sticks to the wall? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Murraycraven Agreed on the signing I'd think we would've seen him on the top line at this point, I mean, just to see if it sticks to the wall? Indeed.... it is an odd situation and I am not sure how they are going to reslove this. It is almost like they need to keep juggling lines to fit him in the lineup. Hopefully he can figure out the transition and time will tell... I dont think they plug him at center w/ G, Schenn and Coots either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 I'd love to do that. Just don't see the Flyers accomplishing it this year. There's no way, IMO, they are putting VLC into the press box. Brayden Schenn should have been the guy that they were putting into VLC's slot (2nd line center). Wait... are you suggesting that signing Vinny was not mandatory? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Wait... are you suggesting that signing Vinny was not mandatory? I swear honestly to me it seems like Homer got wind the Rangers were going to get him and just to keep him out of the enemy's hands...he signed him... ...it's all i got yes it still doesn't make since but it's like i forget who said it on here but to sign him when CENTER is their deepest position throughout the whole g*d*amn organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Yes. This is a jerk move posting something from months ago, but there were some on THIS thread who knew exactly how this would turn out on July 2, 2013. Posted Jul 02, 2013 - 09:41 PM'trevluk', on 02 Jul 2013 - 9:34 PM, said:As an objective observer, you dont think the flyers could benefit from LeCavalier?No. I don't. It's going to cost us one of the kids, first of all.Second of all, even with him we are NOT a cup contender. So we waste the one or two moderately productive years Lecavalier has PLUS the future of one of the kids we'll flush because of it only so in two years when Vinny starts truly showing his age and misses portions of seasons due to injury we'll be then flushing the kid du jour only to sign "the best available free agent on the market" to do the whole damn thing all over again.Why do I know this? Because I have posted this exact same post (change Vinny to Nedved or Pronger or Hatcher or Forsberg or whomever) at least 5-7 times over the last 12 years I've been on philly.com and its off-shoots.Each time, someone wants to write "you don't think this will help?" NO I DON'T. BECAUSE REPEATING THE SAME DAMN MISTAKES OVER AND OVER AGAIN GUARANTEES YET MORE MISTAKES.We had the opportunity of a reset. A do-over. A roster full of kids and a decent draft and finally maybe some workable cap space. Simply plug holes while the kids progress in front of hopefully a competent goalie or two. But no. Even the people defending this deal are idiotically -- yes, idiotically: there is no other term for it--suggesting it is now okay to trade a 20 or 22 year old with tremendous upside because we just signed our soon-to-be 34 year old wunderkind.It's utterly ridiculous. Is this board full of people who have followed the Flyers for less than 18 months??? THREAD LINK 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 I swear honestly to me it seems like Homer got wind the Rangers were going to get him and just to keep him out of the enemy's hands...he signed him... ...it's all i got yes it still doesn't make since but it's like i forget who said it on here but to sign him when CENTER is their deepest position throughout the whole g*d*amn organization. I think that's the worst part of Homer's approach: the short-sightedness. We could use a guy like Vanek but he wasn't available in the offseason. So instead of showing some patience, and waiting until the *right* players are available for positions of need, he signs the biggest, shiniest name available, regardless of need. Homer is the kind of guy that would sell his bed in the morning to make some money, and then panic at night because he has no place to sleep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aziz Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 @ruxpin what kid is he costing the flyers, though? i really still don't see the downside here. was the upside over estimated by some? sure. but i don't see the problem being caused. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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