Irishjim Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Doc... I will never understand that trade. Talbot plays all out every shift, kills penalties and an chip in a goal. And the guy is a class act....Donnie is a turnover machine w mental issues. I hope Homer does not resign him. He is just not that good...murray it was a contract dump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pensuck Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 @IrishWhile The Flames Are Pretty Bad They Have Won The Last 6 Of 7 Before Today I Think. That's Pretty Good. I Understand What You Are Saying Though. Let's Hope He Gets It Together And starts Putting Up Numbers Like He Did For Tampa And Last Years Avs Team.Remember The Hate On Here Towards Jvr? How's He Doing In Toronto? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aziz Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Doc... I will never understand that trade. Talbot plays all out every shift, kills penalties and an chip in a goal. And the guy is a class act.... except he didn't play all out every shift, and that was in of itself not particularly classy. the guy got grumpy and dogged it out there all season, because he thought he deserved a bump up the depth chart. downie is what he is. a sloppy player who is going to hurt you as much as he helps, but does have decent hands and is at least ok offensively. he also takes dumb penalties and is more than prone to coughing the puck up. imo, even trade. a one-dimensional PK specialist who gets sullen when plugged into that role for a possession challenged hothead who can make the occasional nice play. really, kinda a crap for crap deal, just depends on which kind of crap your team is more in need of. with couturier and hall, talbot was redundant. a little extra offense was needed, especially early in the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ladyneat Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 I watched Downie during warmups. I don't think he is happy here. I think his lack of happiness is reflected in his play. I also think he may still have some lingering injury too but I truly do not think he fits with the rest of the team personality wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aziz Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 but I truly do not think he fits with the rest of the team personality wise. to be fair, he does not fit with the human race, personality wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted February 9, 2014 Author Share Posted February 9, 2014 except he didn't play all out every shift, and that was in of itself not particularly classy. the guy got grumpy and dogged it out there all season, because he thought he deserved a bump up the depth chart. downie is what he is. a sloppy player who is going to hurt you as much as he helps, but does have decent hands and is at least ok offensively. he also takes dumb penalties and is more than prone to coughing the puck up. imo, even trade. a one-dimensional PK specialist who gets sullen when plugged into that role for a possession challenged hothead who can make the occasional nice play. really, kinda a crap for crap deal, just depends on which kind of crap your team is more in need of. with couturier and hall, talbot was redundant. a little extra offense was needed, especially early in the season.I think this is a pretty accurate assessment. I really don't like Downie but I don't think losing Talbot was that big a deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hf101 Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 imo, even trade. a one-dimensional PK specialist who gets sullen when plugged into that role for a possession challenged hothead who can make the occasional nice play. really, kinda a crap for crap deal, just depends on which kind of crap your team is more in need of. with couturier and hall, talbot was redundant. a little extra offense was needed, especially early in the season. But.... we weren't in need of acquiring another crappy player. Homer would have been better off acquiring a top -end AHL player for Talbot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Homer would have been better off acquiring a top -end AHL player for Talbot. Yeah would have prefered Chris Bigras or Stefan Elliott... ...would have be a nicer swap, Flyers needed Defenseman not forwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aziz Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 ...would have be a nicer swap, Flyers needed Defenseman not forwards. dunno about that. drop talbot and don't add a forward, and who slides into that spot? as unimpressive as downie is, he's the better option than anything the phantoms have available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 @aziz Exactly, it's not as if the Phantoms are brimming with young stars waiting to be called up. People may call this a excuse, but I really think Downie is super tentative after the concussion, like he is playing to not get hurt. He is best when he is on the edge, throwing caution to the wind as it were....so this present version of Downie, basically going through the motions is the exact opposite of what he needs to be successful. When he first came back, he was very physical and involved, I don't see us getting that Downie back. His strong point, puck possession is lacking badly cause he does not want to adsorb hits....which makes him a non factor. But, like you said, there are no answers waiting in the wings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilsFanDrew Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 @aziz I think Akeson would fit in on the 3rd line with Read and Couturier. I agree the Phantoms aren't brimming with forward talent but he certainly is an offensive threat that would be paired with two very defensively responsible forwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 @PhilsFanDrew Pretty sure Akeson is a center for the Phantoms, I know he played that position in the OHL. I wonder how tough the transition would be for him at the NHL level? Having said that, I'd be willing to give this a shot and hope Jason can learn on the fly. He certainly has the offensive flair we are looking for. Finding a legit linemate for Cooter and Read is of the utmost importance, when that line is clicking the offense looks unstoppable, and Lord knows Downie is not getting the job done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Quigster Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 @PhilsFanDrew Pretty sure Akeson is a center for the Phantoms, I know he played that position in the OHL. I wonder how tough the transition would be for him at the NHL level? Having said that, I'd be willing to give this a shot and hope Jason can learn on the fly. He certainly has the offensive flair we are looking for. Finding a legit linemate for Cooter and Read is of the utmost importance, when that line is clicking the offense looks unstoppable, and Lord knows Downie is not getting the job done.I was thinking the same thing except for Downie! Maybe Rinaldo and Raffle would be a better fit? Cooter and Read are about as anti-physical contact as any two on the Flyers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Sorry rod but not buying that one bit. There were a number of reasons why the team started playing well. Scoring depth was one of them and the play of G was another. Since he jump started the team what has he done since that point? Serve popcorn to Homer, take dumped penalties and give the puck away... Yeah, what a catalyst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 (edited) dunno about that. drop talbot and don't add a forward, and who slides into that spot? as unimpressive as downie is, he's the better option than anything the phantoms have available.Well hell we'll never know...noone gets a call up besides slothy McGinn. I want to see what Akeson looks like playing with Read and Coots certainly I think Akeson deserves it 43 points in 46 games ain't to shabby especially while playing with the likes of Newbury and McGinn. Read and Coots would be an upgrade. He can't play worse than Downie he looked ok when he first got here but has looked like crap now for weeks yet still gets ice time...unreal. Thanks to Downie and he's not being able to look down at this feet and find the puck was the turnovr that they scored on and ruined the shutout for Razor. He is a clutz with the puck now does wn puck battles gives minimum effort on a nightly basis but oh no lets not give a you kid who is having success a chance God knows he mayhave success here then they would certainly have to move someone. It's not going to hurt anything hell he may even lit it up ho the hell knows. God forbid for them to see what a prospect looks like in real life playing with the big boys we all would just rather speculate till they trade Akeson and he goes somewhere else and lights it up, then the real whining would be non stop! Worst case he shows he's not ready now they know hey the answer isn't right under our nose now we can look else where!!! Why not? If he's a career AHLer who gives a damn about his confidence then??????? Edited February 9, 2014 by OccamsRazor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 But, like you said, there are no answers waiting in the wings. Jammer how do any of us know???? Akeson has like you said almost no talent down there to work with yet the kid with McGinn and Newbury has put up 43 points in 46 games. If that don't deserve a bone thrown his way for a call up then i don't know what the hell does. Go back and look at all the guys who have played for the Phantoms and they haven't score like him. There is nothing bad that can come of this. Downie has no hustle gets beat to the puck is sloppy and turns it over, just ruining all of Read and Coots work. Like last night the bum couldn't even skate a round the god*amn stationary net...no what does he do runs into the friggin net and turns the puck over with Coots and Read swarming the net that bum just killed it tired of watching that. Sit his ass or trade i don't care don't dress him till he shows he can play better i don't care what his problem is they need wins and points and he ain't helping!!!! Tampa Bay has 3 rookies in the top 30 in scoring this year??? Well how did they do that???? Yzerman gave them a chance! You can't succeed without the chance...so just give the guy a chance before you totally dismember this team...which scares me with mad doctor Homer!!!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 (edited) Well hell we'll never know...no one gets a call up besides slothy McGinn. God forbid for them to see what a prospect looks like in real life playing with the big boys we all would just rather speculate till they trade Akeson and he goes somewhere else and lights it up, then the real whining would be non stop! And this is my biggest complaint with the organization. I said the same thing about Lauridsen. IMO, he should have been on this team from the start. He showed himself pretty well at the end of last season that he can indeed play with the big boys. Hell he can't be any worse than Grossman or Gill. Edited February 9, 2014 by pilldoc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 And this is my biggest complaint with the organization. I said the same thing about Lauridsen. IMO, he should have been on this team from the start. He showed himself pretty well at the end of last season that he can indeed play with the big boys. Hell he can't be any worse than Grossman or Gill. Or at least been given the chance to showcase their talent if there is any. Give them a chance like everyone said it's not like there is a lot of talent down there. Like i said Akeson is skating with two 3rd liners basically with the hands of stone on both sides yet he is making due. I was just wondering what he would look like given a chance with Coots and Read. 43 points in 46 games i don't know what else the kid has to do???? He is a RFA after this season wouldn't you like to know what ya got before trying to resign him??? I'd like a look at the kids before the mad scientist starts his crazy wheeling and dealing!!!! I mean damn that is all you hear about people whinning blah blah blah Sharp wasn't given a chance to play and Hitch hates young guys and be god*amn if it ain't happening again right now, kids having success yet can't get a cup of coffee....we'll just wait till he is traded to complain. Sharp never put up the stats Akeson has put up till the year he had Richie and Carter on his team then he had his best year stats wise but guess what the year after his best AHL year he got a total of 22 games on the BIG club and then he was traded away......then oh my God then all the whinning starts and it hasn't stopped today we stil hear it..... NOTHING VENTURED NOTHING GAINED!!!! I'm done rant over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcor1313 Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 the fact there WAS a trade coaching chnge plus a likeable character guy being moved=anybody could be moved, so get your S*%$ together 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doom88 Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 And this is my biggest complaint with the organization. I said the same thing about Lauridsen. IMO, he should have been on this team from the start. He showed himself pretty well at the end of last season that he can indeed play with the big boys. Hell he can't be any worse than Grossman or Gill.Lauridsen looked promising, but not ready yet. This fall is his time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilsFanDrew Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 @jammer2Actually per the phantoms website he is listed as a RW. You could also move Raffl up to the 3rd line and call up Vandevelde to play on the 4th line with Rinaldo and Hall. Bottom line I believe there are better options than Downie within the organization to play that 3rd line role on the wing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 @jammer2Actually per the phantoms website he is listed as a RW. You could also move Raffl up to the 3rd line and call up Vandevelde to play on the 4th line with Rinaldo and Hall. Bottom line I believe there are better options than Downie within the organization to play that 3rd line role on the wing.Yes someone maybe can put forth a better effort he has shown...got to someone on the Phantoms hungry for a chance. Downie has had plenty of opportunity to display something anything besides killing his teammates efforts. Akeson was just the first choice because he has shown he can score and Flyers could use some more finishers I think. But hey maybe it doesn't translate maybe he is at his ceiling....lets stop speculating and guessing and find the phuck out! If he can't hack send him back and now look else where...I'm scared of what Homer may do in a desperation trade more damage than good....maybe another 35 old Dman for one of the young guys oh No!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted February 9, 2014 Author Share Posted February 9, 2014 coaching chnge plus a likeable character guy being moved=anybody could be moved, so get your S*%$ together Yeah, just like that. Kind of what I was thinking but you said it better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aziz Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 i think part of the point was to keep the team from being *too* young. as it stands, 10 of the 20 players on the roster are 25 or younger, including 7 of 12 forwards. it may very well be that someone like akeson would be a more effective add than downie, but getting above half of your roster, 3/4's of your forwards being that young, and you start running into edmonton-like problems. so holmgren grabbed a somewhat older guy with a league-average contract that is expiring this july to fill the space and maybe provide some personality that the team was lacking. that last bit didn't really work, but the concept makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted February 10, 2014 Author Share Posted February 10, 2014 i think part of the point was to keep the team from being *too* young. as it stands, 10 of the 20 players on the roster are 25 or younger, including 7 of 12 forwards. it may very well be that someone like akeson would be a more effective add than downie, but getting above half of your roster, 3/4's of your forwards being that young, and you start running into edmonton-like problems.so holmgren grabbed a somewhat older guy with a league-average contract that is expiring this july to fill the space and maybe provide some personality that the team was lacking. that last bit didn't really work, but the concept makes sense.Maybe. Oddly, the Flyers average age is 9th oldest in the league. I understand how "average" can work, though, so it doesn't necessarily address your point. Kind of shocked by that, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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