doom88 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 So last year it would have done the team better, going forward, to lose in 5 games of playoff hockey than drafting one of MacKinnon, Barkov, Drouin, Jones, Lindholm, Monohan or Nurse? IF we had all the pieces I'd say the experience would be more important....but when you're missing a top line winger and a couple defencemen, including a #1, GETTING those is way more important to me.Winning is addictive, and so is losing. You'd rather lose that year of playoff development for a crap shot draft pick?I will NEVER support the idea of tanking. For every team that succeeds, there seem to be ten that fail miserably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 @aziz We're 3 losses by us and wins by them out of the 6th overall pick. I'm just saying IMO an impact player helps us a lot more going forward than a thrashing at the hands of the Bruins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 @doom88 Winning may be addictive, but it's hard to do without a #1 defenceman and LWer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 G, Voracek, Read, both Schenns, Couturier, and Simmonds. If the Flyers are "all in" for this year and really think they can win w/ this Team it is folls gold. If they lose early in the playoffs I am not sure that group will be together next year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aziz Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 We're 3 losses by us and wins by them out of the 6th overall pick. 7th, by my count (three wins by nashville ties them with the flyers in points, but they still have fewer wins). 'course, the "them" are fully 10 teams. a coordinated surge by 10 to-date underwhelming teams seems unlikely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 @aziz I agree and doubt they'll pick 6th (ok, or 7th, I just had a quick peek without looking at games played, wins etc.). Just using that or last years "run" compared to the type of players you could get without it or a short, embarrassing playoff round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howie58 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Greetings: This is thought-provoking. I hope we make the playoffs in terms of player development but won't be too surprised or disappointed if we don't. I don't think this team will have the surprise factor on its side. Since the slow start this team has done very well. We won't be catching anybody unawares. Best to all, Howie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doom88 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 If the Flyers are "all in" for this year and really think they can win w/ this Team it is folls gold. If they lose early in the playoffs I am not sure that group will be together next year...No one said this team would win the Cup. More games played, especially playoff games played, should pay dividends later in their careers. I think the Flyers organization currently intends to stick with this core for another two years at least, barring PR issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 No one said this team would win the Cup. More games played, especially playoff games played, should pay dividends later in their careers. I think the Flyers organization currently intends to stick with this core for another two years at least, barring PR issues. Not saying they would win the Cup but the philosophy that comes direclty from Snider's mouth is they are always are trying to win the ultimate prize. That in itself is not a bad thing but I believe it was Adams and Poulin who stated they Flyers brass at the TH this year were using the "just get into the playoffs and you never know" tagline. If that is the case, and based on history, I have no faith that Homer will keep that group together in the future. It may be a jaded view but history has proven the Flyers incapable of being patient. Should be an interesting final stretch. I hope Homer keeps this core together but if I were a betting man I would say someone in that group is a goner by next season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doom88 Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 With the cap going up, I don't think any young guys are going anywhere. There's no reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonJeremy Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 One center is going, we have no replacement for Timmo, and we have too many centers, and the only way we are getting a decent young dman is by trading .... another factor is we have tried Schenn and Vinny on wing and that's not working, in the past we tried Brindamour, Gratton, Briere and Carter on wing....all failed. Simple solution , stop drafting centers and trade one of the extra centers we have and don't need for a defenseman, we really need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Kindly disagree Doom... I hope you are right but history proves Homer will do something. Someone is going to be moved... We have a logjam at center with Laughton ready to make a move to the big club. We shall see... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 @murraycraven We do have a lot of centers, but the real question is, who gets moved. Giroux is going no where....Vinny has a no trade clause and Cooter is relatively a great bargain on his rookie deal. Hall is a respectable 4th liner, but not worth anything in a trade. In summary, it appears like Coots is the only real moveable center, which would be a mistake. I would not deal B.Schenn right now either despite his playing on the wing part of the time. I just don't see any of these players being shipped out, for various reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doom88 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 @murraycraven We do have a lot of centers, but the real question is, who gets moved. Giroux is going no where....Vinny has a no trade clause and Cooter is relatively a great bargain on his rookie deal. Hall is a respectable 4th liner, but not worth anything in a trade. In summary, it appears like Coots is the only real moveable center, which would be a mistake. I would not deal B.Schenn right now either despite his playing on the wing part of the time. I just don't see any of these players being shipped out, for various reasons.Agreed jammer. There's no pressing need, nor intelligent reason to move anyone. Now if someone makes a decent offer, of course you listen and consider, but I wouldn't think anyone will be actively shopped.Also, I think Laughton's readiness is exaggerated. Nothing wrong with him working in the AHL. He can get good minutes against grown men, and ease the eventual NHL transition. No rush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 @doom88 Ya, I believe Laughton could use some AHL time. I think he could play low minutes in the NHL and not hurt us too much, but think he needs to get used to playing bigger, faster and more talented players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doom88 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 @doom88 Ya, I believe Laughton could use some AHL time. I think he could play low minutes in the NHL and not hurt us too much, but think he needs to get used to playing bigger, faster and more talented players.Sure, he could, but that doesn't help his development or the Flyers. I'm more of a fan of a PK, vet, grinder, faceoff specialist as a fourth line center. A reliable role player that doesn't need much in the way of coaching. If Laughton is going to be somebody, he needs TOI and situations. He should get that in the AHL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 @doom88 I think we agree, whether we know it or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Laughton would greatly benefit from being on the Phantoms top power play. Scoring pp pts would give him a big boost of confidence and allow him to believe he belongs in the pro game. If he destroys Hall for 4th line duties, so be it, but I'd like to see some AHL seasoning, at least for half a year or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doom88 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 @doom88 I think we agree, whether we know it or not.Agreed, I was just expanding my point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Laughton would greatly benefit from being on the Phantoms top power play. Does he play on the PK too i would think so he is suppose to be sound defensively....right? Well they could use him for sure their PK is the weakest link on the team. They were on the 5-3 pp yesterday they score on it then it went to 5 on 4 and they give up a shortie...end up losing by one. Chubak was in net cause Heeter was serving out his suspension. That would make 3 shorties in the last 2 games!!! UNACCEPTABLE!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 @OccamsRazor Oshawa plays him pp,pk 5 on 5, up one in last minute, down one in last minute Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 @OccamsRazor Oshawa plays him pp,pk 5 on 5, up one in last minute, down one in last minute Good the Phantoms sound like they could use his PK and PP ability....plus their Captain is a UFA Holmstrom so wonder if he'll even be back. Leier to will be a welcome skill infusion...talent pool for the farm is raising...it took long enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 @OccamsRazor Amazing how you can better your farm system and big club if you actually use your draft picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Amazing how you can better your farm system and big club if you actually use your draft picks. Yes and the draft being in Philly this year ya know Homer and Snider want to get up on that podium, so it gives me hope they won't trade this upcoming one....right??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 (edited) I think you guys are confusing what I think Homer will do and what I want Homer to do... I want him to do nadda... Squat... Nothing... I expect him to do something though... I think it is a matter of time until one of schenn, cooter or Laughton is traded for a dman. Do I like it? No... But, I feel like Homer is going to do something. There was no reason to sign VLC but Homer does this stuff all the time so I think it is safe to put "reason" aside. I am not debating if it makes sense as nothing Homer does usually makes sense... Edited February 23, 2014 by murraycraven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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