TedZep Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 ... on the Canadian olympic team, on the basis of he couldn't pass on including his guy twice, he trades "his" guy. I like the trade because it makes the Rangers a weaker team in the long run, and that's a good thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 @TedZep I thought the Rangers gave up a ton for a 38 year old. Great player...but 38??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 @TedZep I thought the Rangers gave up a ton for a 38 year old. Great player...but 38??? the Rangers got fleeced on that deal.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackhole Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Wasn't Callahan their capt? Very curious thing to do before a playoff run? Character guy, glad to see him in another division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 @jackhole\ UFA and wanted a raise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackhole Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 ahhhh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xganarchy Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 If our situation was different, I would have loved to see Callahan here. Great leader, seems to leave everything on the ice. Same with Kesler, but really no room on this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 If there are two GMs worse than Homer, they are Snow and Sather. That was a terrible trade for Marty St. Louis. If they win the Cup this year or next, it will have been worth it, I suppose. On the other hand, I wouldn't sign Callahan to 6 years at $6.5m either. But to give up your captain and two 1sts for a 38 year old? You better damn win the Cup. Maybe a good comparison is Mike Richards. How much would he get if he were to be a UFA this summer. Do you think he'd get $6.5M per for 6 years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 (edited) Wasn't Callahan their capt? Very curious thing to do before a playoff run? Character guy, glad to see him in another division. Not only he was their captain, he was almost anti-Ranger in a sense that his work ethic and tenacity were something that hardly anybody on that teams possesses. He will be missed there, especially as MSL's play starts declining, which is enevitable when you are almost 40. And that's not even to mention the high drft picks they gave up. Stupid deal for the Rangers. Edited March 6, 2014 by Mad Dog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 @brelic I dunno...this is an all in kinda move for the Rangers...who have a roster who is not Stanley Cup worthy. Now....if they would have NOT made the Nash deal, this St.Louis thing might have made a bit more sense. They gave up to much leadership and grit to the Blue Jackets. This team is not one 38 year old star away from the cup. Hey, maybe Lundy stands on his head and they make a nice run. Bottom line, a nice run is an ok return, cause I don't know if they would have made a nice run with Calllahan.....heart and all. If you are not gonna sign Cally, at least get someone who might win you a few rounds.....who knows, maybe he clicks with Nash....Lord knows, nobody else has. The Rags have the defense and goaltending, but are a whole scoring line away from contending in my books....we shall see. Also, not strong enough down the middle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStraw Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 Not only he was their captain, he was almost anti-Ranger in a sense that his work ethic and tenacity were something that hardly anybody on that teams possesses. He will be missed there, especially as MSL's play starts declining, which is enevitable when you are almost 40. And that's not even to mention the high drft picks they gave up. Stupid deal for the Rangers.On top of all that he's from Rochester. New York born and bred. I figured he'd be a Ranger for life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 @brelic I dunno...this is an all in kinda move for the Rangers...who have a roster who is not Stanley Cup worthy. Now....if they would have NOT made the Nash deal, this St.Louis thing might have made a bit more sense. They gave up to much leadership and grit to the Blue Jackets. This team is not one 38 year old star away from the cup. Hey, maybe Lundy stands on his head and they make a nice run. Bottom line, a nice run is an ok return, cause I don't know if they would have made a nice run with Calllahan.....heart and all. If you are not gonna sign Cally, at least get someone who might win you a few rounds.....who knows, maybe he clicks with Nash....Lord knows, nobody else has. The Rags have the defense and goaltending, but are a whole scoring line away from contending in my books....we shall see. Also, not strong enough down the middle. Yeah, it does seem like an all-in move, doesn't it? Not so much the Callahan for St. Louis part because it really seems like they just couldn't get a deal done. So you gotta cut your losses and take what you can get out of a bad situation. But giving up two 1st round picks? That's what you do when you're loading up for a serious run at the Cup and are willing to sacrifice a few years of top end prospects. Like you say, maybe the team clicks and they go deep. And if they had to trade Callahan, so be it. Lundy's not getting any younger, so maybe this is their push. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 If our situation was different, I would have loved to see Callahan here. Great leader, seems to leave everything on the ice. Same with Kesler, but really no room on this team. Kesler? Who's moping and pouting cause he's getting paid millions to live in one of the most beautiful cities in the world... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 If there are two GMs worse than Homer, they are Snow and Sather. That was a terrible trade for Marty St. Louis. If they win the Cup this year or next, it will have been worth it, I suppose. On the other hand, I wouldn't sign Callahan to 6 years at $6.5m either. But to give up your captain and two 1sts for a 38 year old? You better damn win the Cup. Maybe a good comparison is Mike Richards. How much would he get if he were to be a UFA this summer. Do you think he'd get $6.5M per for 6 years? I agree. I love MSL and can't believe how well he's still playing at 38. But the Bolts raped the Rangers on that deal IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 I heard Yzerman this morning addressing the St. Louis trade request / Olympic connection. He was upset at the question, which I don't blame him for, and tried to school the media on the word "snub." When they asked Marty if the Olympic "snub" led to his decision, he didn't deny it. Instead he went on some boring politically correct talk about wanting another shot at a Cup. Lame, Marty. Lame. Bolts are ahead of the Rags, and the Rags are not contenders no matter what people say, and certainly no more than the Bolts are. If being left off the Olympic squad is really what drove Marty to request a trade, I've lost all respect for him. That is petty and childish. Yzerman had a job with Hockey Canada to win a gold medal. And he did. That should be the end of the story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 @brelic Not to mention Marty may well have given up his last shot at winning another cup. He got his gold. Yzerman righted the wrong. Let it go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 I agree. I love MSL and can't believe how well he's still playing at 38. But the Bolts raped the Rangers on that deal IMO. and then finshed it off w/ a Donkey Punch FC! Thankfully Homer did not pull a Sather move! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B21 Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 (edited) I heard Yzerman this morning addressing the St. Louis trade request / Olympic connection. He was upset at the question, which I don't blame him for, and tried to school the media on the word "snub." When they asked Marty if the Olympic "snub" led to his decision, he didn't deny it. Instead he went on some boring politically correct talk about wanting another shot at a Cup. Lame, Marty. Lame. Bolts are ahead of the Rags, and the Rags are not contenders no matter what people say, and certainly no more than the Bolts are. If being left off the Olympic squad is really what drove Marty to request a trade, I've lost all respect for him. That is petty and childish. Yzerman had a job with Hockey Canada to win a gold medal. And he did. That should be the end of the story. This. He's quitting on his teammates for entirely selfish reasons. He has every right to be upset but this is not how you handle it. There is no reason a team in contention trades away their heart and soul unless he wanted them to. Edited March 6, 2014 by B21 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xganarchy Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 Kesler? Who's moping and pouting cause he's getting paid millions to live in one of the most beautiful cities in the world... I'm not aware of his reasons for wanting to be traded (or if that is true?) but look at his play on the ice. He was constantly sacrificing himself during the Olympics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 @xganarchy During the Olympics? Sure. But not with the team that's actually paying his salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Knut Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Must have Consulted with homer on the details otherwise the first rounder never happens. @TedZep I thought the Rangers gave up a ton for a 38 year old. Great player...but 38??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 I've always considered St.Louis a classy guy....but wow, this move is a bitch move if I ever saw one. In the ultimate team sport, he's basically turning his back on his teammates cause his pride was injured....REALLY MARTY!?!? If this is how he's gonna act, all prima donna, then the Bolts are better off without him. Worked out fine for Stevie in the end. Marty using the old "I'll show you, I'll hurt me" line of thinking, is now on the sinking ship known as the Rangers....and the Bolts were his best chance to win again before he hangs them up. Bishop is outplaying the legendary Lundy at the moment, and the Bolts have SIGNIFICANTLY more firepower than the Rangers.....so, Marty being totally selfish ended up hurting himself. Some of his Bolts teammates must be shaking their heads...."he left because he got left off one of the best teams ever at 38......HUH???" There is no "I" in team there Marty!! How big is this guys ego anyways, is he 14?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doom88 Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 It's not just a team, it's a job and a business. There is likely more to this story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TedZep Posted March 8, 2014 Author Share Posted March 8, 2014 I haven't liked St. Louis after he deliberately slashed Mark Recchi's bare wrist oh so long ago. I liked him less when he got the nod over Giroux, and this petulence and putting himself above his team doesn't help one iota. Well, except that the Rangers got fleeced, so I like that part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillygrump Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 I heard Yzerman this morning addressing the St. Louis trade request / Olympic connection. He was upset at the question, which I don't blame him for, and tried to school the media on the word "snub." When they asked Marty if the Olympic "snub" led to his decision, he didn't deny it. Instead he went on some boring politically correct talk about wanting another shot at a Cup.Lame, Marty. Lame. Bolts are ahead of the Rags, and the Rags are not contenders no matter what people say, and certainly no more than the Bolts are. If being left off the Olympic squad is really what drove Marty to request a trade, I've lost all respect for him. That is petty and childish. Yzerman had a job with Hockey Canada to win a gold medal. And he did. That should be the end of the story.Remember when Snider publicly claimed that MSL over Giroux on team Canada was all about politics. Yzerman had to pick "his guy" and Babcock scoffed at that and refuted the claim saying politics had nothing to do with it. Doesn't seem like a ridiculous notion anymore. Just a reminder this good old boy network lies all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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