Flyers will try to move up in the Draft

[hf101]

According to reports Hextall has hinted that he plans to move up in the draft.

 

@davegisaac

Hextall strongly hints at #Flyers trading up in draft.

 

Look for a move into the top 10.

 

@davegisaac

Sounds like #Flyers have talked with other teams already, although that seems early. Hextall says after 10 is a dropoff.

 

Do you believe him?  Or is this a smokescreen?

 

 

 

 

 

[doom88]

Why be honest with the media, especially Philly media of all?

[Jmdodgesrt4]

Depending on price I would.

[Vanflyer]

Depending on price I would.

 

Umberger and our 17th! :-)

[OccamsRazor]

Do you believe him?

 

I believe him but how far and the asking price changes everything.

 

Flyers have several parts they can move.

 

I'll just list assets without trade clauses or movement clauses.....but i'm not saying i would move them just saying who could be moved. In no particular order.

 

#1- Jake -  4.25 x 2

 

#2- Read - 3.26 x 4

 

#3- Brayden - 2.5 x 2

 

#5- Coots - 1.75 x 2

 

#6- Raffl - 1.1 x 2

 

#7- Zac - 750K

 

#8- Rosehill - 675K

 

#9- Akeson's rights RFA

 

#10- McGinn's rights RFA

 

#11- McDonald - 5 x 6

 

#12- Streit - 5.25 x 3

 

#13- Mason - 4.1 x 3

 

Those are just the ones who are the easiest to move without NMC or NTC....once again not saying i would move them but if Hexy wants to further shape the roster to his vision/plan then he can with these pieces.

 

Most of these guys on this list i wouldn't move....but i would listen to offers for them all. But there are a few that i would if i could find a taker, especially depending on what it would net in return.

 

But we've seen Hexy means business with his movement of one of the fan favorites right or wrong his claim for the betterment of the team.

 

And don't forget the #17 and #48 pick along with every other pick they have this year and upcoming drafts.

Edited June 25, 2014 by OccamsRazor

[brelic]

I've seen a report that Ekblad does not make sense for Florida (not enough help right now) and for Buffalo (full up on blueline prospects).

 

Which would mean Ekblad quite possibly falling to #3.

 

Which makes all the Oilers/Flyers rumours much clearer.

 

If the Flyers could unload, say, Coburn+ for the #3 overall (Ekblad), that would certainly be a coup for Hextall. 

 

The "+" is the interesting part of the equation. What do you think it would take to pry the #3 from Edmonton?

[flyercanuck]

There are also quite a few excellent LW prospects available in the 5-10 range that would cost less and potentially be a nice fit down the road beside Claude.

[radoran]

If the Flyers could unload, say, Coburn MacDonald+ for the #3 overall (Ekblad), that would certainly be a coup for Hextall. 

 

Fixed it for you

[brelic]

Fixed it for you

 

So much better!!!

[radoran]

So much better!!!

 

Do you think Coburn - having seen virtually the entire team he went to the 2010 Finals with "tossed away"* - decides to give up the only leverage he has and agrees to go to one of the worst teams and worst franchises in the league to help the Flyers?

 

Certainly possible.

 

I'd just say it's unlikely.

 

Edmonton isn't in any way Columbus, with a Vezina caliber goalie, new, committed GM and at least made the playoffs last season.

 

Edmonton's made the playoffs once in the past decade and none of the past nine years. They haven't been better than 3rd in their division since 00-01.

 

For Hartnell, the Jackets were 9 in the lockout season and then made the playoffs outright, taking the Pens to six competitive games. He also has the added bonus that he'll play against the Flyers at least four times a year.

 

To be clear, I send Coburn there for the 3rd overall. But, even after being told he's being "tossed aside" as an integral part of Philadelphia's young, developing team with promise for the great and wonderful opportunity of being an integral part of a young, developing Edmonton team that's a cellar dweller, why doesn't Coburn say "sorry, they're on my list of no gos, trade me somewhere else"?

 

Because GMs "remember players and agents who are problems"?

 

And people think players and agents don't "remember GMs" and "remember organizations"?

 

That, for me, flows both ways.

 

And do you honestly think that all goes down without something coming out of Edmonton about how Coburn refused to go there after being told he had to accept a trade?

 

In the end, it's the Flyers and, of course, anything is possible. Well, anything, so far, except actually securing the objective of the competition for the past four decades.

 

 

* How many other 2010 Conference Finalists have just three members of that team currently on their roster?

[brelic]

But, even after being told he's being "tossed aside" as an integral part of Philadelphia's young, developing team with promise for the great and wonderful opportunity of being an integral part of a young, developing Edmonton team that's a cellar dweller, why doesn't Coburn say "sorry, they're on my list of no gos, trade me somewhere else"?

 

Coburn can absolutely tell the Flyers to go pound sand. That's the purpose of an NMC. Which is why trading MacDonald is the only option where we have control. 

 

I don't know how much it affects a player's psyche, but if you're asked to waive your NMC / accept a trade to a place you don't want to, and then refuse, you still have to go to the rink on a daily basis knowing that your boss wanted to get rid of you. Some players probably don't think about it again, others might feel slighted. Who knows? 

 

It's all in the sales pitch, really. If Hexy says "Look, we're retooling, and this is a 5-year plan. Your contract runs out before then and I'm not sure there will be a place for you on this blueline with the direction we're headed and at your price point. Edmonton has a real need now and in the future for a guy like you."
 

He might look at long-term security as important to him. He might also read between the lines that the Flyers may not be very competitive for the next few years, while Edmonton has all these young stars and something's gotta give.

 

I'm just thinking out loud here, but I don't think it's a case of no right out of the gate.

[OccamsRazor]

Fixed it for you

 

 

I will drive him there i've always wanted to see Canada what time shall i pick him up???

[radoran]

Those are just the ones who are the easiest to move without NMC or NTC....once again not saying i would move them but if Hexy wants to further shape the roster to his vision/plan then he can with these pieces.

 

I don't believe Giroux's NMC is in effect yet...

[OccamsRazor]

I don't believe Giroux's NMC is in effect yet...

 

 

SSSSSSSSSSssssssssssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhh do not give phlfly any ideas you know Hartnell being traded was his fault!!!!!!!!!!!

[King Knut]

I'm wondering what we'd be getting out of it?

Who is top ten this year that's super hot prospect? I'm a bit out the prospect rankings.

According to reports Hextall has hinted that he plans to move up in the draft.

@davegisaac

Hextall strongly hints at #Flyers trading up in draft.

Look for a move into the top 10.

@davegisaac

Sounds like #Flyers have talked with other teams already, although that seems early. Hextall says after 10 is a dropoff.

Do you believe him? Or is this a smokescreen?

[King Knut]

First of all, If it's a five year plan then he might as well be trading Giroux for all the good it'll do us.

Second, it kills me when people think we should trade Coburn. KILLS me. Especially when Hextall's cited needing to resign Coburn as a reason for dumping Hartsy's contract.

But even if he wanted to, how on earth do you trade this teAm's number 1 d man without a replacement?

Coburn may not be the #1 we'd want but he's the only one we have... And his contract isn't even terrible.

I can understand wanting coburn to be a #3 guy, but until you get a new #1&2, he's the best thing we've got.

The team needs a better defense squad, no doubt, but you don't get that by trading away the best parts of the squad you have for draft picks.

Nurse? Maybe. Picks? Not after what turned out to be a pretty defining break out year for a good portion of this team.

Now's not the time to rebuild. Now they just have to build.

Coburn can absolutely tell the Flyers to go pound sand. That's the purpose of an NMC. Which is why trading MacDonald is the only option where we have control.

I don't know how much it affects a player's psyche, but if you're asked to waive your NMC / accept a trade to a place you don't want to, and then refuse, you still have to go to the rink on a daily basis knowing that your boss wanted to get rid of you. Some players probably don't think about it again, others might feel slighted. Who knows?

It's all in the sales pitch, really. If Hexy says "Look, we're retooling, and this is a 5-year plan. Your contract runs out before then and I'm not sure there will be a place for you on this blueline with the direction we're headed and at your price point. Edmonton has a real need now and in the future for a guy like you."

He might look at long-term security as important to him. He might also read between the lines that the Flyers may not be very competitive for the next few years, while Edmonton has all these young stars and something's gotta give.

I'm just thinking out loud here, but I don't think it's a case of no right out of the gate.

[King Knut]

You'd listen to offers for Mason?

Really? After all we've been through, when we finally have a goalie we semi trust and feel somewhat safe with?

Why aRe you guys so interested in trading away the parts we have that are working?

In don't get it.

I believe him but how far and the asking price changes everything.

Flyers have several parts they can move.

I'll just list assets without trade clauses or movement clauses.....but i'm not saying i would move them just saying who could be moved. In no particular order.

#1- Jake - 4.25 x 2

#2- Read - 3.26 x 4

#3- Brayden - 2.5 x 2

#5- Coots - 1.75 x 2

#6- Raffl - 1.1 x 2

#7- Zac - 750K

#8- Rosehill - 675K

#9- Akeson's rights RFA

#10- McGinn's rights RFA

#11- McDonald - 5 x 6

#12- Streit - 5.25 x 3

#13- Mason - 4.1 x 3

Those are just the ones who are the easiest to move without NMC or NTC....once again not saying i would move them but if Hexy wants to further shape the roster to his vision/plan then he can with these pieces.

Most of these guys on this list i wouldn't move....but i would listen to offers for them all. But there are a few that i would if i could find a taker, especially depending on what it would net in return.

But we've seen Hexy means business with his movement of one of the fan favorites right or wrong his claim for the betterment of the team.

And don't forget the #17 and #48 pick along with every other pick they have this year and upcoming drafts.

[brelic]

First of all, If it's a five year plan then he might as well be trading Giroux for all the good it'll do us.

Second, it kills me when people think we should trade Coburn. KILLS me. Especially when Hextall's cited needing to resign Coburn as a reason for dumping Hartsy's contract.

 

Seems like you're contradicting yourself in these two sentences. If you want to trade Giroux since it's a rebuild, why hang on to Coburn?

 

You'd listen to offers for Mason?
Really? After all we've been through, when we finally have a goalie we semi trust and feel somewhat safe with?

 

Mason finished 7th in Vezina voting (he actually got a 1st place vote).

 

Bobrovsky finished 8th. Granted, he had a significant injury.

[King Knut]

The first one was sarcasm

Seems like you're contradicting yourself in these two sentences. If you want to trade Giroux since it's a rebuild, why hang on to Coburn?

Mason finished 7th in Vezina voting (he actually got a 1st place vote).

Bobrovsky finished 8th. Granted, he had a significant injury.

I'm not sure What's that got to do with anything?

I didn't want Bob traded either. I wanted him. Jot started in that damn playoff game the year before so he could start 50 games in the AHL for conditioning, and to be coached by Teese some more, then come up and battle for a starting job.

If you have a decent looking goalie and can keep him for a decent contract, not doing so seems like madness to me.

Bryzgalov for 4 years so bob could fight it out with him after the first year would have made some sense. But Bryzgalov for 39 years at an inflated value was madness too.

[jammer2]

  A lot of fc's opinion's on this matter make sense. It would cost FAR less to creep into the top 10 and select one of those wicked LW's. Thing is, I'm damn sick and tired of having NO IMPACT players on defense. Hey, maybe Hagg, Morin, Alt, Ghost perhaps 2 of those work out (the odds are really against them all being good, let's face facts)....Exblad is better than them all. Then it comes back full circle....*NOBODY* wins a cup without a star d-man.....so if you don't gamble that Exblad is *it*.....where does that guy come from???   I'm sorry, having Coburn as our best d-man makes me wanna puke....

[brelic]

I'm not sure What's that got to do with anything?

 

Oh, nothing. You were talking about Mason, and I thought about those two things I read today. Shows you how much things can change in a year, huh? 

[aziz]

Thing is, I'm damn sick and tired of having NO IMPACT players on defense.

 

the interesting thing there is, the flyers had someone better than the bruins in all statistical catagories other than ATOI and +/-.  hits, blocks, points, PP points, etc.  i kind of wonder what the term "impact player" on defense means, and if it might be driven largely by media coverage.  can't go a day without hearing about the amazingness of zdeno chara, but he is outscored and outblocked by flyers' dmen, while turning the puck over and missing the net more than any flyers' dman.

[OccamsRazor]

You'd listen to offers for Mason?
Really?

 

Yes i would listen to offers for every player there is no harm in listening. Calm down....i knew it would take long for someone to suggest i was trading the whole team.

[Mad Dog]

@aziz

 

I think to me, the "impact defenseman" is someone who is just a solid, consistent two-way contributor.  It doesn't have to be someone as good as Duncan Keith or Shea Weber because those guys come once in a lifetime.  But someone like what Timonen *used* to be is to me a true definition of an "impact defenseman".  Our current defensive corps - whether you look at it individually or in its totality - is not really instilling fear in anybody. 

[jammer2]

the interesting thing there is, the flyers had someone better than the bruins in all statistical catagories other than ATOI and +/-.  hits, blocks, points, PP points, etc.  i kind of wonder what the term "impact player" on defense means, and if it might be driven largely by media coverage.  can't go a day without hearing about the amazingness of zdeno chara, but he is outscored and outblocked by flyers' dmen, while turning the puck over and missing the net more than any flyers' dman.

  Chara was great when the Bruins won the Cup. His play has gone downhill of late. He used to be an impact d-man....if I'm gonna call him one of those again, he needs to prove recent history was just a fluke or something.

 

   When I think of a impact d-man, I think of a guy you would not hesitate to put into any situation. Up a goal with under a minute left, down a goal with under a minute left. You can trust him to clear the zone with efficiency, whether it is lugging it out himself or utilizing a teammate on a break out pass....but you *know* that 98% of the time he will not flub up a crucial play, that he will get the job done. There is a certain amount of finesse involved with being an impact d-man, not a lerch like Coburn who is only fast when he gets 3 strides going. Going from point A to point B in his own end, he gets used up by jitterbug forwards like Patrick Kane and the likes. You simply can't have this....you can't win when you top go to guy is Coburn....this has to be fixed.