Polaris922 Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 The Hart, Lindsay and Ross. The kid needs new shelves... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanflyer Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 The Hart, Lindsay and Ross. The kid needs new shelves... Darn, I thought we were going to start discussing Lisa Bonet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyerrod Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 I don't get it....he is good but he is not that good.........I guess this means that Ovechkin should have gotten the Selke............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hf101 Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 The Hart, Lindsay and Ross. The kid needs new shelves... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 I don't get it....he is good but he is not that good.........I guess this means that Ovechkin should have gotten the Selke............. What else does he have to do to show he's that good? He *is* that good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyerrod Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 What else does he have to do to show he's that good? He *is* that good.He got the Hart Trophy why again? You are telling me the League MVP did not make it past the second round of the Playoffs yet he was the most important player in the NHL? Sorry, I don't buy it. I am surprised that he got the Lindsay as that was voted by his peers........I still think that "Regis" was stuffing the ballot boxes......among other things.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 He got the Hart Trophy why again? You are telling me the League MVP did not make it past the second round of the Playoffs yet he was the most important player in the NHL? Sorry, I don't buy it. I am surprised that he got the Lindsay as that was voted by his peers........I still think that "Regis" was stuffing the ballot boxes......among other things.... The playoffs have no bearing on the Hart. It's for regular season performance and the ballots are cast before the playoffs begin. The Hart is for the most valuable player to his team; not the most important player in the NHL. That's why Giroux and Getzlaf were also nominated. The Flyers would have been in lottery draft if it weren't for Giroux. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samifan Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Did anyone else get awkwardly uncomfortable watching Crosby kiss his sister like that before going up on stage to receive his awards? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 The playoffs have no bearing on the Hart. It's for regular season performance and the ballots are cast before the playoffs begin. The Hart is for the most valuable player to his team; not the most important player in the NHL. That's why Giroux and Getzlaf were also nominated. The Flyers would have been in lottery draft if it weren't for Giroux. But here is the thing..The Pens can win without Crosby. With the likes of Malkin, MAF, Kunitz, and Letang (pre-injury) the Pens have talent all over. I don't think he is "the" most important player on that team. We all know...how Giroux goes...so goes the Flyers. That was very evident last year. Not denying Crosby is a great player and is important to his team, IMO, I think the Pens could win without Crosby because of the the supporting cast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 But here is the thing..The Pens can win without Crosby. With the likes of Malkin, MAF, Kunitz, and Letang (pre-injury) the Pens have talent all over. We all know...how Giroux goes...so goes the Flyers. That was very evident last year. Not denying Crosby is a great player and is important to his team, IMO, I think the Pens could win without Crosby because of the the supporting cast. Yeah, I don't disagree with you. I remember a thread on exactly this topic a few months back, and the Pens guys made some very compelling arguments too. So, the Flyers without Giroux are out of the playoffs for sure. I think a team's place in the standings has an impact too. So, it's one thing to be the most valuable player to your team, but it's quite another to be able to lift that team into competitive territory, and Crosby does that for the Pens more than Giroux for the Flyers, I would say. The Pens are MORE of a contender and MORE dangerous because of Crosby than the Flyers on a relative level. Does that make sense? I don't think he is "the" most important player on that team. Ok, I'll bite. Who's the most important player on the Pens? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyerrod Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Ok, I'll bite. Who's the most important player on the Pens? Well the guy who makes the biggest difference would have to be Marc Andre Fluery...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 What else does he have to do to show he's that good? He *is* that good. What we really need is a thread on the Flyers forum with all of the Pens fans saying how much Giroux didn't even deserve to be nominated. I'm sure that would go well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irishjim Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Did anyone else get awkwardly uncomfortable watching Crosby kiss his sister like that before going up on stage to receive his awards? thats was his sister? i thought that was a rent a girl from trailer park escorts..he had a coupon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 What we really need is a thread on the Flyers forum with all of the Pens fans saying how much Giroux didn't even deserve to be nominated. I'm sure that would go well. I take it by the ninja that there was such a thread? I don't remember that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 I take it by the ninja that there was such a thread? I don't remember that. Of course there wasn't. Because some people would lose their $#!+. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 (edited) Yeah, I don't disagree with you. I remember a thread on exactly this topic a few months back, and the Pens guys made some very compelling arguments too. So, the Flyers without Giroux are out of the playoffs for sure. I think a team's place in the standings has an impact too. So, it's one thing to be the most valuable player to your team, but it's quite another to be able to lift that team into competitive territory, and Crosby does that for the Pens more than Giroux for the Flyers, I would say. The Pens are MORE of a contender and MORE dangerous because of Crosby than the Flyers on a relative level. Does that make sense? Ok, I'll bite. Who's the most important player on the Pens? Yeah ... it does make sense. I'm just looking at the POV that like you said..if "G" is out of the line-up then the Flyers are toast. If Crosby is out, yeah it hurts, but they still, for the most part, find a way to win. Agree..with Crosby in the line up, that they are a more dangerous team. I think collectively they are all important. I think Malkin & Letang are just as important as Crosby IMO. Can't really single any one player out. Edited June 25, 2014 by pilldoc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B21 Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 He got the Hart Trophy why again? You are telling me the League MVP did not make it past the second round of the Playoffs yet he was the most important player in the NHL? Sorry, I don't buy it. I am surprised that he got the Lindsay as that was voted by his peers........I still think that "Regis" was stuffing the ballot boxes......among other things.... Guess the guys who play with him don't know as much as Flyers fans? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B21 Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Of course there wasn't. Because some people would lose their $#!+. B-b-b-b-b-b I though only Pens fans lose their $#!+ when dopey fans start dopey threads? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 (edited) Dude had a monster year, carried that team for 82 games. I have no problem with his winning those awards for last season, he was significantly and statistically better in all the important categories.I'm glad his name isn't on the cup again too. I would be fine if he won 10 more Harts and 8 more Lindsays so long as his name is on the cup only twice ( as a player ) Edit: I forgot he lost the first time in the finals... i meant once , yeah only one time for the lost Jonas brother. Edited June 25, 2014 by mojo1917 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJgoal Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 I would be fine if he won 10 more Harts and 8 more Lindsays so long as his name is on the cup only twice ( as a player )Mojo, don't just hand him a second Cup. The league already did that with his first 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojo1917 Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Mojo, don't just hand him a second Cup. The league already did that with his first Thanks ... LOL Long day. I'll make that edit for sure ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyerrod Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Guess the guys who play with him don't know as much as Flyers fans?I guess the guys who play with him don't want to listen to him cry about missing out on an award......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaris922 Posted June 25, 2014 Author Share Posted June 25, 2014 I guess the guys who play with him don't want to listen to him cry about missing out on an award......... I'm sure that was the priority for all the players in the NHL. We should have an award for fans along those lines too, so Flyers fans who whine trying to discredit other teams' star players could get recognized as well. About the "other players" thinking, Crosby was far and wide the MVP on this team. He played with Gibbons and "insert AHL name here" for quite a few games and STILL won the Art Ross by a good margin. The Pens were decimated by injury all season yet led the Conference the first half of it. Mostly because of Crosby.Bottom line is the Pens win a lot without him, but this past season he clearly carried them all the way up till the last few games of the season. The true story is told by the other players saying so. By league wide majority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B21 Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 I guess the guys who play with him don't want to listen to him cry about missing out on an award......... Mine's better. The "crying Crosby" jokes are older than the Flyers' last Cup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyerrod Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 Mine's better. The "crying Crosby" jokes are older than the Flyers' last Cup. Do I really have to go sifting through clips...again? Seriously though, you and Polaris have your panties in a wad because I said I personally did not think the Golden Child had done enough to warrant the Hart Trophy. I don't think Giroux should have gotten it either even though stats would prove him to be a more valuable piece for wins than Crosby is. To me, Getzlaf should have gotten this award hands down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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