Irishjim Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 By Kurt R. of Broad Street Hockey We'll start our look into 2013-14 Flyers zone entries with the most basic information: who's entering the offensive zone, and how? read complete article here:----> http://www.broadstreethockey.com/2014/8/13/5993103/flyers-stats-zone-entries-2013-14-zone-entries-individual-numbers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Lately it's been Voracek. Speed kills Often Giroux. Sometimes Coburn. But when he does, you can see the smoke coming out of his ears as he ponders what to do with it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStraw Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Sometimes Coburn Since when does the offensive zone start at the center ice red line? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Since when does the offensive zone start at the center ice red line? You're right. But now that I think about the question more, Coburn starts to become offensive as soon as he touches the puck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 (edited) We'll start our look into 2013-14 Flyers zone entries with the most basic information: who's entering the offensive zone, and how? HHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhmmmm very interesting..... Scott Hartnell has put together solid possession numbers for a few straight seasons now, and this past one was no exception, but this year he did it in spite of a tremendous drop-off in his own abilities to control the neutral zone. Whether his 10 percent drop-off is a matter of circumstance (playing with linemates who do it more often?), aging, bad luck, or something else is up for debate. But regardless, it's interesting that Ron Hextall -- who's explicitly mentioned wanting to improve the teams' entries a couple of times this offseason -- shipped out the guy whose entry numbers were less impressive than any other top-9 forward. ...yup is what i was saying about why Hartnell is gone. Time to try something new. They won't to increase the amount of times the puck is carried into the zone and get away from dumping it in. Nothing wrong with that. I like it because once you dump it in now now you still have to retrieve it and that just expends way more energy....philosophy change. I've never liked dumping it in just doesn't make sense to possess the puck then just give it up. People use the excuse they'll be easier to play against i'm not buying it. Will they be down a less physical player yes. But but not dumping it in means you'll have the puck which to me makes it harder to play against because now you have to chase the puck and get it back....that doesn't make it easier. Now if you're not accurate with your passing and don't utilize your teammates and hog the puck or just give it away that is a different issue. Edited August 13, 2014 by OccamsRazor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 HHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhmmmm very interesting..... Scott Hartnell has put together solid possession numbers for a few straight seasons now, and this past one was no exception, but this year he did it in spite of a tremendous drop-off in his own abilities to control the neutral zone. Whether his 10 percent drop-off is a matter of circumstance (playing with linemates who do it more often?), aging, bad luck, or something else is up for debate. But regardless, it's interesting that Ron Hextall -- who's explicitly mentioned wanting to improve the teams' entries a couple of times this offseason -- shipped out the guy whose entry numbers were less impressive than any other top-9 forward. ...yup is what i was saying about why Hartnell is gone. Time to try something new. They won't to increase the amount of times the puck is carried into the zone and get away from dumping it in. Nothing wrong with that. I like it because once you dump it in now now you still have to retrieve it and that just expends way more energy....philosophy change. I've never liked dumping it in just doesn't make sense to possess the puck then just give it up. People use the excuse they'll be easier to play against i'm not buying it. Will they be down a less physical player yes. But but not dumping it in means you'll have the puck which to me makes it harder to play against because now you have to chase the puck and get it back....that doesn't make it easier. Now if you're not accurate with your passing and don't utilize your teammates and hog the puck or just give it away that is a different issue. That would make sense if RJ actually had good possession numbers but he is worse than Hartnell and is gettign worse: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=455519 Umberger is a 32-year-old who can play all three forward spots and is a five-time 20-goal scorer who has hit for 50 points or more three times in his career. This past season, Umberger's role was reduced, his 16:53 average time on ice representing his lowest since 2006-2007, when he was playing for Philadelphia.While Umberger doesn't stir things up the way Hartnell does, he's still a physical player, using his 6-foot-2, 220-pound frame to his advantage and Umberger is a stronger skater. The trouble for Umberger is that he's been getting worse as a possession player. He had some okay years mixed with some bad years earlier in his career, but Umberger has been thumped in possession terms over the past three seasons and virtually every one of his teammates has fared better without Umberger on the ice. That doesn't mean Umberger can't play. It does mean he was likely playing too big a role on a Columbus team that, until 2013-2014, has been on the wrong side of the scoreboard all too often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 That would make sense if RJ actually had good possession numbers but he is worse than Hartnell and is gettign worse: Not really they played different roles on different team with different systems. Plus Scotty played more minutes on the top line with Giroux and Jake.....and you don't think that Scotty benefitted at all with these possession numbers from playing with G and Jake???? Or like the year he played with Jagr netting all those goals??? He was the one dumping it in and they usually were the ones hunting it down. But it was all Scotty?? C'mon bro. I'm not going to look to hard into someone else numbers on another team i'll judge him when he plays here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 (edited) Where did I once say it was all hartnell? . Please enlighten me. You love. You use stats to back up your pov and then dismiss them whenever it show the opposite. Amazing...With the exception of last year RJ played a more important role in Columbus so not sure what you mean. Also, look at the data we Hartnell was not on with G and Jake and when he was in his earlier career with the Flyers. Edited August 14, 2014 by murraycraven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Where did I once say it was all hartnell? . Please enlighten me. You love. You use stats to back up your pov and then dismiss them whenever it show the opposite.Amazing... Yeah and you dismiss linemates like they don't matter. Look in the mirror. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Yeah and you dismiss linemates like they don't matter. Look in the mirror.And read my previous post again... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 And read my previous post again... you dismiss how they get these numbers. I'm done discussing it....you love Hartnell he can do no wrong. You're right. RJ sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 you dismiss how they get these numbers. I'm done discussing it....you love Hartnell he can do no wrong. You're right. RJ sucks. Good, glad you see it my way now. (Never anywhere did I say RJ sucks - in fact, if you test your reading comprehension skills I stated frequently that I actually like RJ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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