hf101 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Ken Holland is now signed with the Red Wings until the 2017-18 season. He has faced increasing criticism over the past few seasons, as the Wings have failed to make a deep playoff run and high-profile free agents have either chosen to sign elsewhere. I think some are happy with this move and others may prefer someone new in the front office especially if Holland doesn't get Babcock inked before his contract runs out. Babcock probably isn't to pleased as he requested that Holland acquire a right-handed d-man this summer, as he failed to ink Boyle, Niskanen, Stralman and Gilbert, or make any trades. There has also been much speculation that Babcock will not sign the new contract and he will be headed to the Maple Leafs with Yserman. I think this is one rumor that has merit, in my opinion this will be Mike Babcock's last season with the Wings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yave1964 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 @hf101 Thanks for putting this in here, I wanted to but couldn't bring myself to right off, I felt like I was punched in the gut. Holland had his day. IMHO it is past. Babs is a goner, as in see you in Toronto or Edmonton next year, the tension between Holland and Babcock is well known, Babs said he wants to see what the wings do before letting them know if he is coming back, I think this means he is gone. Is it too early to root for injuries so the Wings can get in on that Connor McDavid thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingNut722 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Agreed -- Babs is gone. Holding off an signing a contract extension so you can wait and see what the team will do in the coming season is about as transparent as it gets. Babcock loves to coach and he knows he's damn good at it, so all he's asking is for management to trust his judgement and give him the pieces he needs to put together a winning team. It doesn't look like that's happening. We've actually discussed the point for the last week or so in the Red Wings forum, so it seems apropos that Holland's contract extension came now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Ladies and Gentlemen....may I introduce, the next coach of the Toronto Maple Leafs.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 @jammer2 That's the rumour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingNut722 Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 OK, so 5 votes tallied...5 votes no. So now you're Kenny Holland. What do yo do? Any coach that you'd like to see behind the bench to replace Babcock? or do we just wait until the end of the season to see who gets fired, and snap them up? I hear Dan Byslma is still available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 @WingNut722 If I was Holland, I would pull the trigger and let nature take it's course. Waiting is tough cause Babs is arguably the best coach in the league, so there is not gonna be anyone who comes along and is obviously better than him. I'd buy out his last year if someone was a nice fit and just go from there, better than waiting and the guy you want is long gone. Bab's lack of commitment speaks volumes, so it's time to replace him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hf101 Posted August 19, 2014 Author Share Posted August 19, 2014 So now you're Kenny Holland. What do yo do? anything else and Babcock walks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 @hf101 One of the things the NHL does not regulate is coaches and management salaries. Toronto is gonna offer a blank cheque, I would not be surprised to see Babcock being the first NHL coach to make 8-10 mill a year. I don't think Detroit will match that kinda money, they can afford it obviously, but it looks like Babcock wants a fresh start. Making a team like the Leafs a winning proposition, that is the challenge of a lifetime. I think that's what Babber is really craving. Plus, his ego does not need stroking, he's not big on that kinda thing, but he will be a Demi-God in Ontario if he can turn around the Leafs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hf101 Posted August 19, 2014 Author Share Posted August 19, 2014 @hf101 One of the things the NHL does not regulate is coaches and management salaries. Toronto is gonna offer a blank cheque, I would not be surprised to see Babcock being the first NHL coach to make 8-10 mill a year. I don't think Detroit will match that kinda money, they can afford it obviously, but it looks like Babcock wants a fresh start. Making a team like the Leafs a winning proposition, that is the challenge of a lifetime. I think that's what Babber is really craving. Plus, his ego does not need stroking, he's not big on that kinda thing, but he will be a Demi-God in Ontario if he can turn around the Leafs.Yeah, I agree with every part of that, except that it is kind of hard to think that a coach would want to make a division rival better than your own team. Yet it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaris922 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Or maybe he'd like a chance to coach a couple elite talents... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Or maybe he'd like a chance to coach a couple elite talents... You mean as opposed to the four he coached in Detroit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaris922 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 You mean as opposed to the four he coached in Detroit?As opposed to what he's dealing with right now... A semi-rebuild phase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yave1964 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 @jammer2 Okay, lets say Toronto makes the playoffs, (very possible) and wins a series or even two (I know, its Toronto but it is possible) I cannot see any way that Carlyle is shown the door. I think he is one hell of a coach, one of my favorites in the game, I think they are deeper and better built this year than in years past. If Carlyle don't win, his seat is the hottest of the hot in the game. I personally feel the Leafs are a playoff team, no matter what, but I think they have to win a series to save his job. Anything can happen in the playoffs, especially with the Parity in the game today so it is a crapshoot as to whether they advance or not. I personally think Babcock is Canada bound, but my thoughts of where he is going tow wind up are: Toronto 35 percent chance Edmonton 35 percent chance Detroit 20 percent chance Elsewhere 10 percent chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Toronto 35 percent chanceEdmonton 35 percent chanceDetroit 20 percent chanceElsewhere 10 percent chance I can see how you would come to those conclusions. I do think Ottawa might be in the mix as well. I agree, if Toronto makes the playoffs, Caryle's job is safe. I can also see the Canucks being in play, a huge Canadian city longing for success. That would be an attractive market for Bab's to enter into. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingNut722 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Okay, lets say Toronto makes the playoffs, (very possible) and wins a series or even two (I know, its Toronto but it is possible) I cannot see any way that Carlyle is shown the door. If Babcock expresses an interest in coaching the Leafs, I wonder if Carlyle will be bounced anyway. In fact, who's to say Babcock and Carlyle won't switch places a la Tortorella/Vigneault? Carlyle is a very capable coach, but Babcock is better (ask anyone!), however, in the absence of Mike Babcock, he would make a suitable alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingNut722 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 @hf101 (Assuming I am reading your post correctly) I can't imagine Babcock would stay for a pay raise. I also can't imagine Holland giving Babcock a raise just to keep him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 In fact, who's to say Babcock and Carlyle won't switch places a la Tortorella/Vigneault? Ya know, that's not as far fetched as it sounds. I don't think there will be lot of big names in the free agent coaches pool next summer, Carlyle would be a front runner for a Wings job should Babber jettison him from the Leafs job. The Wings don't seem to be the type of team to give a young bright mind a break, they will go for an established veteran who knows the ropes. You can't afford to waste Pavel's and Zetts last few productive years on a rookie coach, to big of a risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingNut722 Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 @jammer2 You're right. I think if Holland signed a rookie coach he'd definitely be hated in Hockeytown after the flops in last couple years' worth of free agent markets. However, true to his M.O., I wouldn't be surprised if he just promoted Jaff Blashill from Grand Rapids Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 However, true to his M.O., I wouldn't be surprised if he just promoted Jaff Blashill from Grand Rapids This is a very real possibility. Wings are big on grooming guys to fit their mold. If nobody knocks their socks off in the interview process, Blashill is a solid candidate. It's also a huge plus that he knows the Grand Rapids roster like the back of his hand, lots and lots of GR players will be on the Wings and he has the upper hand on motivating them and putting them in situations to succeed. He already has a repore with them, which is a big bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingNut722 Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 @jammer2 True enough, but does that translate into success at the NHL level? Would he be a better candidate in the trenches than Carlyle or Bylsma? All three are successful coaches with Championships in their respective leagues. Bylsma and Carlyle have experience reading NHL teams, whereas Blashill has experience reading his own players. My impression would be that the Red Wings should stick with an NHL coach, and offer Blashill and assistant position first. Blashill just signed a new three-year extension with the Griffins, but I'm sure if Holland wanted him in Detroit, he could make that happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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